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Culture is not just a buzzword

PIPO said:
A crutch?

For years @Cribby @SWFLHurricane @Boarcane, @Coach Macho Dee and others have alluded to a toxic culture/locker room.

It seems to have and has been a real issue. Par for the course.

I agree it can be a convenient excuse to only point to the culture issue as the reason for why everything that is happening now in year 1.

It’s a combo of things and mistakes being made by the admin, coaches and players especially by the OC that repeatedly throws kids under the bus.

But the culture can’t outright be dismissed as it’s an integral part.

Now if at this point next year if culture is all that is being talked about as an excuse for another poor season, I will be right there next to you.

The culture gets magnified as an end result of the poor hires made at coaching positions because 1/2 buy in and the rest don’t due to the battle within the team.
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Woah....I never ONCE alluded to anything about a Bad Locker room or toxic culture....Please keep me out of that BS....I've always said it was a coaching problem...
 
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PIPO said:
Nobody is saying that the coaching is any good or dismissing coaching as a major part of the problem.

How did it work out for Richt after that first year since the coaching, recruiting & development was so good?
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Actually got better the 2nd year.
 
88 said:
I think anyone can agree culture helps.

But losing to MTSU... how you think the culture is over there?

So when culture was most likely equal between teams, and you lose to less talented teams...we saw a real problem with the coaching itself. What people don't want, are those deficiencies being masked by culture alone.

But we get it, this fan base used to brag for years about the locker room culture. It used to be one of our staples.
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Comparing cultures doesn’t make sense. What makes you think the two are ‘most likely equal’? Whatever MTSU’s culture is, they were certainly motivated and focused on the game.

Talent comparison, yes, and there no excuse losing that game, especially in the manner Miami lost.

A complete coaching failure.
 
Culture is used as a crutch. It’s not wrong. But I’ll say this, as a Vikings fan there has been a major overhaul in the culture and mindset from last years team to this years team. Obviously there’s other factors at play, but by and large the team is the same. There has been a large focus on improving the culture and the results are better.

The issue is actually fixing the culture. You’ll never fix the culture putting a product out like this. Mario may get a little bump being year one but if there’s no on field improvement next year he’s not going to get the talent to fix these issues.
 
Liberty City El said:
Lol nobody follows me around like a God, I'm actually one of the most disliked posters here.

And it's got nothing to do with "not getting what I wanted", I just want to win games & score TD's but yall are the ones who make it seem like that's an impossible task without having a roster full of 5-star talent & that's just simply not the case. But what's really funny is yall got EXACTLY what yall wanted but have chosen to make excuses rather than hold the HC accountable.

Ultimately, the only reason yall get so bent out of shape is because yall don't like how it sounds when I say it, but that's literally the kind of sh*t yall say on here everyday & that's why I do it.

But you're absolutely right, I've met my daily agitation quota so I'll leave it be & be quiet.
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Thumbs up for your second paragraph if we have to recruit 4-5 stars as the only way to win games, we are in trouble.

Regarding you being the most disliked, Stop it!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It’s the opposite and the Maude’s can put it to a poll “Is LCE one of the most disliked posters in CIS” @JD08 and @RVACane.

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Rellyrell said:
Ehhh, gotta disagree w/ u on this one, brotha.

For the chit Richt gets, a 50% Richt was the best coach we had since Butch. For all the shenanigans that Golden left this program in after he was sour he didn’t the PSU job, Richt single handily turned this program around. Was it to complete standards? No, but Richt undid a lot of the chit Golden instilled. Richt was 26-13 here. Not a great record, but roughly around 9-4, which was a 2 game win & 2 game loss improvement from Randy, & Golden who avg. 7-5.

For the all the good Richt did 3 yrs, Manny literally reversed it in 3 yrs. Some of r u having this nostalgic moment b/c we scored more under Manny + Lashlee, but we became extremely undisciplined in all phases of the game which is y we have record setting marks under him. It’s also y every single one of his recruits sans Greg have been **** poor b/c his evals were **** poor.
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Oh Richt indeed was the best of a bad bunch, by a mile. However, let's not pretend that 2018 didn't happen. We were a freaking mess in 18, and it drove Richt into retirement. 7-6 is exactly the mediocrity Manny inherited. Mario inherited 7-5, and a QB on a hot streak. If anything, Mario inherited the team with more working parts. That's not saying much, I know. Can you imagine how bad we'd look with Williams at QB right about now?
 
pacusmc said:
They’re saying the same thing about Bama right now and it’s just obviously happening at tamu also.
The tamu thing is even more glaring considering the amount of talent they have in the roster.

Every year there is a team full of upper class men with players that are disciplined and actually study the playbook and have control of the locker room and also play for each other and a bunch of other cliches that exist for a reason.

Tulane right now is 8-1 I’ll take a guess and say they have a bunch of older dudes on that team.
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Tulane is 8-1 right now and I'll take a guess and say none of them were ever coached by Mario.
 
Liberty City El said:
It's not a buzzword...

But it is a crutch that you guys are hanging onto for dear life without realizing you're already exhausting all your excuses in year 1...

However, it will definitely make for very creative & entertaining excuse making in the future & that's always something to look forward to.
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You really have that little faith in Mario turning this around huh? We will most likely be 4-8 and he will bring a top 5 class maybe top 3 with what is happening.

We know the coaching , especially on the offense has been BAD. But the last 2 games have been Skewed without TVD healthy making us worse than what we were.

So basically when I see Mario changing the Oregon program and winning there , applying those principles he learned at Bama there is that something we are supposed to ignore? Are we supposed to say yeah we will ignore that body of evidence because this season has been such an abomination and there has been so much regression that yeah it wont work here?

All Mario really has to do is make a change at OC. Of course that is very important. And yee THE COACHING STAFF deserves ALOT of blame. That is a given. But to think alot of these players dont resent Mario, care more about their brand and social media profiles than actually getting better is miopic imo. These guys are Diaz players. They played hard last year to save Diaz. What is the incentive to play hard for a guy who has UM championship level standards? There is a LOT of that as well.

My thing is that there WILL be a correction on the coaching staff this offseason. He will have an opportunity to bring in players through the portal and a MONSTER recruiting class. To think that all he learned from Saban, and his program building at Oregon is not evidence that he can eventually lead Miami to compete and win the ACC .. I mean you would have to believe that he will continue hiring the worse OC in college football. I expect 7-5 and 8-4 at MOST next year with a good OC. Thats average. But you bring a Golesh type and I think he can do well here and there is historical evidence backing him up.

Now that I have ranted I want to ask you 2 questions @Liberty City El . I always respect your opinions even when we disagree so here it goes:

Do you not have faith that Mario can hire a good coordinator? And do you see us as a 4/5 win team next year as well?
 
the more I see threads like these the more I'm sure the majority of this board has never played even a second in organized sports or been a part of a team.
culture is a very real thing - but your leaders create, define and are reflective of the culture.
what we are seeing...this is Mario's culture....whether you want to see that or not.
 
Liberty City El said:
Lol nobody follows me around like a God, I'm actually one of the most disliked posters here.

And it's got nothing to do with "not getting what I wanted", I just want to win games & score TD's but yall are the ones who make it seem like that's an impossible task without having a roster full of 5-star talent & that's just simply not the case. But what's really funny is yall got EXACTLY what yall wanted but have chosen to make excuses rather than hold the HC accountable.

Ultimately, the only reason yall get so bent out of shape is because yall don't like how it sounds when I say it, but that's literally the kind of sh*t yall say on here everyday & that's why I do it.

But you're absolutely right, I've met my daily agitation quota so I'll leave it be & be quiet.
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Zero chance you actually believe this. You are one of the most respected posters on this site.
 
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TemplarCane said:
Comparing cultures doesn’t make sense. What makes you think the two are ‘most likely equal’? Whatever MTSU’s culture is, they were certainly motivated and focused on the game.

Talent comparison, yes, and there no excuse losing that game, especially in the manner Miami lost.

A complete coaching failure.
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Stockstills been a .500 coach for 17 years.

I highly doubt they’re brimming with this winning culture that had them overcome Miami.
 
Udynasty said:
You really have that little faith in Mario turning this around huh? We will most likely be 4-8 and he will bring a top 5 class maybe top 3 with what is happening.

We know the coaching , especially on the offense has been BAD. But the last 2 games have been Skewed without TVD healthy making us worse than what we were.

So basically when I see Mario changing the Oregon program and winning there , applying those principles he learned at Bama there is that something we are supposed to ignore? Are we supposed to say yeah we will ignore that body of evidence because this season has been such an abomination and there has been so much regression that yeah it wont work here?

All Mario really has to do is make a change at OC. Of course that is very important. And yee THE COACHING STAFF deserves ALOT of blame. That is a given. But to think alot of these players dont resent Mario, care more about their brand and social media profiles than actually getting better is miopic imo. These guys are Diaz players. They played hard last year to save Diaz. What is the incentive to play hard for a guy who has UM championship level standards? There is a LOT of that as well.

My thing is that there WILL be a correction on the coaching staff this offseason. He will have an opportunity to bring in players through the portal and a MONSTER recruiting class. To think that all he learned from Saban, and his program building at Oregon is not evidence that he can eventually lead Miami to compete and win the ACC .. I mean you would have to believe that he will continue hiring the worse OC in college football. I expect 7-5 and 8-4 at MOST next year with a good OC. Thats average. But you bring a Golesh type and I think he can do well here and there is historical evidence backing him up.

Now that I have ranted I want to ask you 2 questions @Liberty City El . I always respect your opinions even when we disagree so here it goes:

Do you not have faith that Mario can hire a good coordinator? And do you see us as a 4/5 win team next year as well?
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Mario was on staff (98-2000) under Butch as a GA long before Saban...and he witnessed how Butch built the Greatest collection of talent in NCAA History...talent even Saban can't F with....5 NFL HOFers came outta that group. With Saban, he saw Great things as well, but with a Brinks truck at Sabans disposal. Huge difference. Give Butch that same Brinks truck, and a worthwhile Salary at the end of 2000...and we'd have 2 more NCs in Hecht, and that's being conservative.
 
88 said:
Stockstills been a .500 coach for 17 years.

I highly doubt they’re brimming with this winning culture that had them overcome Miami.
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Who said anything about a winning or losing culture? I stated MTSU was motivated and focused on the game.
 
Nothing has changed , it’s coaching and players but are people insinuating theres not a culture problem ? Sorry but there’s been major issues inside that locker room for years. There’s also been a major issue with development. This year the coaching has been pitiful but acting like this is all coaching is just as delusional as saying it’s all on the players.
 
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