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Bender said:


if any of you doubt manny is getting fired, look at this pic. broken times ten. fuente looked better, jfc.
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We have no idea what private conversations are going on between Manny and the administration, but if I were Manny, I'd be working with the administration on a graceful way to go ahead and step down. For instance, I would be fine with an Oregeron scenario where they announce that Manny and UM have come to an amicable parting, but Manny will be allowed to coach out the regular season.

I'd like for UM to do the obvious and announce they have parted ways with Manny and one of the assistants will coach the rest of the way, however, if they went public with Manny leaving, but allowed him to finish out these last two games, I could suppress the gag reflex and let him finish out, with the knowledge that his parting is now public.
 
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filmcane said:
We have no idea what private conversations are going on between Manny and the administration, but if I were Manny, I'd be working with the administration on a graceful way to go ahead and step down. For instance, I would be fine with an Oregeron scenario where they announce that Manny and UM have come to an amicable parting, but Manny will be allowed to coach out at the regular season.

I'd like for UM to do the obvious and announce they have parted ways with Manny and one of the assistants will coach the rest of the way, however, if they went public with Manny leaving, but allowed him to finish out these last two games, I could suppress the gag reflex and let him finish out, with the knowledge that his parting is now public.
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Orgeron wasn't a bit amicable...
 
filmcane said:
They're letting him finish out the season instead of having him clear out his desk. That's a little amicable.
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I think you will see some more of this, due to the December Signing Day. I don't think that many schools are keen to "trash the current head coach" who has been doing years worth of recruiting.

You either (a) fire the guy at the beginning of the season, or (b) grit your teeth and hold your tongue while the incumbent finishes the year.

Gonna be hard to scorch the earth in October-November without alienating recruits.
 
filmcane said:
Agreed. I kind of view Dabo as the exception that proves the rule.
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That's essentially my point. Dabo was the exception. For every Dabo there are a dozen Manny Diaz's who didn't work out. Perhaps more importantly, it speaks to the importance of the program infrastructure. Clemson is all in on facilities, assistant coaches, analysts, recruiting and evaluation resources, etc. Miami has yet to show that level of commitment so it's essential that they don't whiff on the HC.
 
SWFLHurricane said:
They have no idea...he lost total control of team...complete Lack of institutional control...Players were out till 4am Partying day of NC vs Bama....
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That was a very winnable game. When they asked Erickson ahead of the game if he was doing any special planning, he said no, he was just going to use what got them there. I figured that was coach speak for, "I'm not about to tell you my strategy." Sadly, it was not.
 
TheOriginalCane said:
I think you will see some more of this, due to the December Signing Day. I don't think that many schools are keen to "trash the current head coach" who has been doing years worth of recruiting.

You either (a) fire the guy at the beginning of the season, or (b) grit your teeth and hold your tongue while the incumbent finishes the year.

Gonna be hard to scorch the earth in October-November without alienating recruits.
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Makes sense.
 
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TheOriginalCane said:
You are 100% correct.

While we have some very bright/connected posters, this board also features some of the dumbest, most reactionary, most uninformed fans on any sports website. And those people tend to be loud. And those people will crap all over posters with valid information (particularly if you are not 100% right every single time) and then post any random "report" from any random website or social media account as if those "reports" are more reliable than CIS posters with connections and knowledge.

This entire thread is filled with the same defective "if we did it once and it didn't work, we can never do it again" illogic, not to mention the "nobody with any Miami connection can ever be hired" stupidity. Good lord, if Nick Saban was a UM alum, you'd still have a vocal group screaming for a "national search".

Cribby, you can be a witness...you and I PM'd weeks ago, and I gave you the name of a couple of BOT guys who would likely be taking the lead if UM (collectively) decided to make a change...and you can tell these "I don't think anything is actually happening until I read it in a Barry Jackson article" dopes that one of the names I cited is now being identified in lots of news reports...and before I mentioned it to you and Spike and a few others, almost nobody mentioned this guy's name on this board...

Look, in an ideal "Sam Jankovich" world, we would NEVER need a national search (for a head coach). We would have an AD who stays on top of all the best candidates, and has a list of names "in his back pocket" as Sam always did. And what is REALLY needed, by an AD or anyone else responsible for these hirings, is a moderate amount of open-mindedness and a pre-existing profile of who we should be hiring. Manny may be a nice guy, but it doesn't make logical sense to go from a head coach with 18 years of head coaching experience...to a guy with 18 days of head coaching experience. And that decision has NOTHING to do with hiring a search firm, it has everything to do with Beta Blake NOT recognizing the attributes that Richt brought to the job (which exceeded the attributes that Shannon/Golden brought) and then locking in on only ONE guy (that he liked) with no prior head coaching experience.

Unfortunately, we have a bunch of dopey fans who only focus on resume, rather than the combination of resume, accomplishments, presentation (of ideas/plans/goals), and personal attributes. We have fans who cannot fathom how certain coaching candidates have serious background/behavioral issues which will be disqualifiers for their hiring. Good lord, we had a thread about hiring Orgeron, who was actually fired by Miami for alcoholism and violence against a woman. Not fired by another school. BY MIAMI. I like Coach Orgeron, but he's never getting a job at UM ever again, at any level.

We have posters who think that a "national search" will somehow uncover hidden coaching gems. We need to deal with reality. Outside of Saban-Swinney-Meyer (and maybe Jimbo), we are not going to identify any other coaches who have succeeded on the P5 level without SOME form of failure. Bad losses. Prior firings. Inability to dominate even at a P5 conference level. So we have to find someone who has learned from past mistakes and is hungry (and grateful) for the chance to re-prove himself at a (formerly) great football school with a legitimate chance to win more national championships. It still boggles the mind as to how many of our dopey porsters will swear that we MUST hire Kiffin (because, you know, FAU/Ole Miss) while they continue to rip Mario for, you know, FIU.

Plenty of great national-championship-winning coaches were hired without "national searches". Dabo Swinney was Clemson's WIDE RECEIVERS COACH. Alabama (and LSU) didn't do "national searches" before hiring Nick Saban. Same with Urban Meyer. Jimbo's last couple of employers were focused on him to the exclusion of everyone else. But our fans are obsessing over Mario's diploma and a ****ty first head coaching job at FI-*******-U.

Quite frankly, we should be **** happy and lucky to be able to hire Mario without having an AD-in-office like Sam Jankovich. If Sam Jankovich were alive today, you know that Mario's name would be on the list in his back pocket. But some of our crazy fans would still find reasons to nitpick.

Ridiculous.
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This is a conglomeration of words that I think of quite often when reading this board, but when I begin to type, I think "What's the use?"

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Well said.
 
TheOriginalCane said:
I think you will see some more of this, due to the December Signing Day. I don't think that many schools are keen to "trash the current head coach" who has been doing years worth of recruiting.

You either (a) fire the guy at the beginning of the season, or (b) grit your teeth and hold your tongue while the incumbent finishes the year.

Gonna be hard to scorch the earth in October-November without alienating recruits.
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I agree. Honestly, each situation is different obviously. USC canned Helton after game 2. They currently have 7 commits and they are ranked behind us. It's working for LSU. Kids from Louisiana will go there because that is what you do. If you can play ball you go to the flagship university. They have 14 commits and 11 are from the state. LoL, their 4-star corner commit is from Georgia. One thing is for certain Corey Raymond is never leaving Baton Rouge.
 
SWFLHurricane said:
They have no idea...he lost total control of team...complete Lack of institutional control...Players were out till 4am Partying day of NC vs Bama....
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I spoke with a player who played that game and the stories I heard about the partying was unbelievable. I still don’t believe it until this day. The *** whooping was well deserved.
 
I just want to punch the faces of everyone arguing that Oregon is materially better than Miami and has more resources.

My key point being look at their history of hiring and retaining (or lack there of) quality coaches.

The same argument being used against Miami and spending (essentially prove it to me) I’d say the same thing for Oregon

No doubt Phil Knight has dumped money into Oregon sports, but it’s 100% for marketing and brand awareness. Hence why they are middle of the road for paying coaches
 
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TheOriginalCane said:
You are 100% correct.

While we have some very bright/connected posters, this board also features some of the dumbest, most reactionary, most uninformed fans on any sports website. And those people tend to be loud. And those people will crap all over posters with valid information (particularly if you are not 100% right every single time) and then post any random "report" from any random website or social media account as if those "reports" are more reliable than CIS posters with connections and knowledge.

This entire thread is filled with the same defective "if we did it once and it didn't work, we can never do it again" illogic, not to mention the "nobody with any Miami connection can ever be hired" stupidity. Good lord, if Nick Saban was a UM alum, you'd still have a vocal group screaming for a "national search".

Cribby, you can be a witness...you and I PM'd weeks ago, and I gave you the name of a couple of BOT guys who would likely be taking the lead if UM (collectively) decided to make a change...and you can tell these "I don't think anything is actually happening until I read it in a Barry Jackson article" dopes that one of the names I cited is now being identified in lots of news reports...and before I mentioned it to you and Spike and a few others, almost nobody mentioned this guy's name on this board...

Look, in an ideal "Sam Jankovich" world, we would NEVER need a national search (for a head coach). We would have an AD who stays on top of all the best candidates, and has a list of names "in his back pocket" as Sam always did. And what is REALLY needed, by an AD or anyone else responsible for these hirings, is a moderate amount of open-mindedness and a pre-existing profile of who we should be hiring. Manny may be a nice guy, but it doesn't make logical sense to go from a head coach with 18 years of head coaching experience...to a guy with 18 days of head coaching experience. And that decision has NOTHING to do with hiring a search firm, it has everything to do with Beta Blake NOT recognizing the attributes that Richt brought to the job (which exceeded the attributes that Shannon/Golden brought) and then locking in on only ONE guy (that he liked) with no prior head coaching experience.

Unfortunately, we have a bunch of dopey fans who only focus on resume, rather than the combination of resume, accomplishments, presentation (of ideas/plans/goals), and personal attributes. We have fans who cannot fathom how certain coaching candidates have serious background/behavioral issues which will be disqualifiers for their hiring. Good lord, we had a thread about hiring Orgeron, who was actually fired by Miami for alcoholism and violence against a woman. Not fired by another school. BY MIAMI. I like Coach Orgeron, but he's never getting a job at UM ever again, at any level.

We have posters who think that a "national search" will somehow uncover hidden coaching gems. We need to deal with reality. Outside of Saban-Swinney-Meyer (and maybe Jimbo), we are not going to identify any other coaches who have succeeded on the P5 level without SOME form of failure. Bad losses. Prior firings. Inability to dominate even at a P5 conference level. So we have to find someone who has learned from past mistakes and is hungry (and grateful) for the chance to re-prove himself at a (formerly) great football school with a legitimate chance to win more national championships. It still boggles the mind as to how many of our dopey porsters will swear that we MUST hire Kiffin (because, you know, FAU/Ole Miss) while they continue to rip Mario for, you know, FIU.

Plenty of great national-championship-winning coaches were hired without "national searches". Dabo Swinney was Clemson's WIDE RECEIVERS COACH. Alabama (and LSU) didn't do "national searches" before hiring Nick Saban. Same with Urban Meyer. Jimbo's last couple of employers were focused on him to the exclusion of everyone else. But our fans are obsessing over Mario's diploma and a ****ty first head coaching job at FI-*******-U.

Quite frankly, we should be **** happy and lucky to be able to hire Mario without having an AD-in-office like Sam Jankovich. If Sam Jankovich were alive today, you know that Mario's name would be on the list in his back pocket. But some of our crazy fans would still find reasons to nitpick.

Ridiculous.
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Post of the Century
 
TheOriginalCane said:
For the record, I wouldn't say that was a "lazy coaching search" and I'm not rationalizing it either, but it is certainly one that did not go by "best available resume" in making up a Top 10 list of candidates. I think Clemson had plenty of intel on which to hire Dabo, but they also didn't chase the Sabans and Meyers of the day.

Clemson took a chance, and Clemson hit the jackpot. Doesn't mean that every team in every situation should do the same.
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Dabo was promoted on an interim basis where Tommy Bowden was fired. Went 4-3, beat South Carolina. Even he will say had he lost to USCe he likely would not be head ball coach at Clemson.
 
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