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TheOriginalCane said:
You are 100% correct.

While we have some very bright/connected posters, this board also features some of the dumbest, most reactionary, most uninformed fans on any sports website. And those people tend to be loud. And those people will crap all over posters with valid information (particularly if you are not 100% right every single time) and then post any random "report" from any random website or social media account as if those "reports" are more reliable than CIS posters with connections and knowledge.

This entire thread is filled with the same defective "if we did it once and it didn't work, we can never do it again" illogic, not to mention the "nobody with any Miami connection can ever be hired" stupidity. Good lord, if Nick Saban was a UM alum, you'd still have a vocal group screaming for a "national search".

Cribby, you can be a witness...you and I PM'd weeks ago, and I gave you the name of a couple of BOT guys who would likely be taking the lead if UM (collectively) decided to make a change...and you can tell these "I don't think anything is actually happening until I read it in a Barry Jackson article" dopes that one of the names I cited is now being identified in lots of news reports...and before I mentioned it to you and Spike and a few others, almost nobody mentioned this guy's name on this board...

Look, in an ideal "Sam Jankovich" world, we would NEVER need a national search (for a head coach). We would have an AD who stays on top of all the best candidates, and has a list of names "in his back pocket" as Sam always did. And what is REALLY needed, by an AD or anyone else responsible for these hirings, is a moderate amount of open-mindedness and a pre-existing profile of who we should be hiring. Manny may be a nice guy, but it doesn't make logical sense to go from a head coach with 18 years of head coaching experience...to a guy with 18 days of head coaching experience. And that decision has NOTHING to do with hiring a search firm, it has everything to do with Beta Blake NOT recognizing the attributes that Richt brought to the job (which exceeded the attributes that Shannon/Golden brought) and then locking in on only ONE guy (that he liked) with no prior head coaching experience.

Unfortunately, we have a bunch of dopey fans who only focus on resume, rather than the combination of resume, accomplishments, presentation (of ideas/plans/goals), and personal attributes. We have fans who cannot fathom how certain coaching candidates have serious background/behavioral issues which will be disqualifiers for their hiring. Good lord, we had a thread about hiring Orgeron, who was actually fired by Miami for alcoholism and violence against a woman. Not fired by another school. BY MIAMI. I like Coach Orgeron, but he's never getting a job at UM ever again, at any level.

We have posters who think that a "national search" will somehow uncover hidden coaching gems. We need to deal with reality. Outside of Saban-Swinney-Meyer (and maybe Jimbo), we are not going to identify any other coaches who have succeeded on the P5 level without SOME form of failure. Bad losses. Prior firings. Inability to dominate even at a P5 conference level. So we have to find someone who has learned from past mistakes and is hungry (and grateful) for the chance to re-prove himself at a (formerly) great football school with a legitimate chance to win more national championships. It still boggles the mind as to how many of our dopey porsters will swear that we MUST hire Kiffin (because, you know, FAU/Ole Miss) while they continue to rip Mario for, you know, FIU.

Plenty of great national-championship-winning coaches were hired without "national searches". Dabo Swinney was Clemson's WIDE RECEIVERS COACH. Alabama (and LSU) didn't do "national searches" before hiring Nick Saban. Same with Urban Meyer. Jimbo's last couple of employers were focused on him to the exclusion of everyone else. But our fans are obsessing over Mario's diploma and a ****ty first head coaching job at FI-*******-U.

Quite frankly, we should be **** happy and lucky to be able to hire Mario without having an AD-in-office like Sam Jankovich. If Sam Jankovich were alive today, you know that Mario's name would be on the list in his back pocket. But some of our crazy fans would still find reasons to nitpick.

Ridiculous.
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Well said

Only real thing I have to add is just a general observation of people. Whenever there’s some deemed as a “failure” people want to swing the pendulum as far to the other side as possible.

“Miami guy fails means we have to go national.” “DC fails means we have to hire someone with experience”

It’s like watching politics and it’s an endless merry go round
 
TheOriginalCane said:
You are 100% correct.

While we have some very bright/connected posters, this board also features some of the dumbest, most reactionary, most uninformed fans on any sports website. And those people tend to be loud. And those people will crap all over posters with valid information (particularly if you are not 100% right every single time) and then post any random "report" from any random website or social media account as if those "reports" are more reliable than CIS posters with connections and knowledge.

This entire thread is filled with the same defective "if we did it once and it didn't work, we can never do it again" illogic, not to mention the "nobody with any Miami connection can ever be hired" stupidity. Good lord, if Nick Saban was a UM alum, you'd still have a vocal group screaming for a "national search".

Cribby, you can be a witness...you and I PM'd weeks ago, and I gave you the name of a couple of BOT guys who would likely be taking the lead if UM (collectively) decided to make a change...and you can tell these "I don't think anything is actually happening until I read it in a Barry Jackson article" dopes that one of the names I cited is now being identified in lots of news reports...and before I mentioned it to you and Spike and a few others, almost nobody mentioned this guy's name on this board...

Look, in an ideal "Sam Jankovich" world, we would NEVER need a national search (for a head coach). We would have an AD who stays on top of all the best candidates, and has a list of names "in his back pocket" as Sam always did. And what is REALLY needed, by an AD or anyone else responsible for these hirings, is a moderate amount of open-mindedness and a pre-existing profile of who we should be hiring. Manny may be a nice guy, but it doesn't make logical sense to go from a head coach with 18 years of head coaching experience...to a guy with 18 days of head coaching experience. And that decision has NOTHING to do with hiring a search firm, it has everything to do with Beta Blake NOT recognizing the attributes that Richt brought to the job (which exceeded the attributes that Shannon/Golden brought) and then locking in on only ONE guy (that he liked) with no prior head coaching experience.

Unfortunately, we have a bunch of dopey fans who only focus on resume, rather than the combination of resume, accomplishments, presentation (of ideas/plans/goals), and personal attributes. We have fans who cannot fathom how certain coaching candidates have serious background/behavioral issues which will be disqualifiers for their hiring. Good lord, we had a thread about hiring Orgeron, who was actually fired by Miami for alcoholism and violence against a woman. Not fired by another school. BY MIAMI. I like Coach Orgeron, but he's never getting a job at UM ever again, at any level.

We have posters who think that a "national search" will somehow uncover hidden coaching gems. We need to deal with reality. Outside of Saban-Swinney-Meyer (and maybe Jimbo), we are not going to identify any other coaches who have succeeded on the P5 level without SOME form of failure. Bad losses. Prior firings. Inability to dominate even at a P5 conference level. So we have to find someone who has learned from past mistakes and is hungry (and grateful) for the chance to re-prove himself at a (formerly) great football school with a legitimate chance to win more national championships. It still boggles the mind as to how many of our dopey porsters will swear that we MUST hire Kiffin (because, you know, FAU/Ole Miss) while they continue to rip Mario for, you know, FIU.

Plenty of great national-championship-winning coaches were hired without "national searches". Dabo Swinney was Clemson's WIDE RECEIVERS COACH. Alabama (and LSU) didn't do "national searches" before hiring Nick Saban. Same with Urban Meyer. Jimbo's last couple of employers were focused on him to the exclusion of everyone else. But our fans are obsessing over Mario's diploma and a ****ty first head coaching job at FI-*******-U.

Quite frankly, we should be **** happy and lucky to be able to hire Mario without having an AD-in-office like Sam Jankovich. If Sam Jankovich were alive today, you know that Mario's name would be on the list in his back pocket. But some of our crazy fans would still find reasons to nitpick.

Ridiculous.
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ThomasM said:
I hope that we land a great coach by them simply falling into our laps because they were just right there waiting to be chosen by the University of Miami. I've never known that to happen, but I can hope.

When was the last time we hired a proven, highly in demand head coach? When did we ever win a bidding war for a head coach? For the life of me I don't remember it happening, ever.

Maybe it will this time, and if it does I hope we don't over pay for a guy that flops here.

For the record, I'd take Kiffin in a heartbeat over Mario. I think he'd do a lot more with our talent, and with the talent in South Florida. I just want us to get it right, that's all. I don't want us going all gaga over Mario because he's a Miami guy, only to find out he's a bad fit for the South Florida talent that will be his recruiting base.
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JHallCanes said:
Well said

Only real thing I have to add is just a general observation of people. Whenever there’s some deemed as a “failure” people want to swing the pendulum as far to the other side as possible.

“Miami guy fails means we have to go national.” “DC fails means we have to hire someone with experience”

It’s like watching politics and it’s an endless merry go round
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Absolutely.

And for the record (because I also hate the extreme pendulum-swings), I am not completely against search firms (great for back-channel tampering) and national searches (when our AD is clueless about who to hire).

But let's not forget the last "completely open-minded national search" that we did. Where we allowed ourselves to be swayed by the interview. It yielded Al Golden and his binders.

And for anyone who thinks that UM hasn't already looked into the backgrounds of Kiffin, Freeze, and Orgeron (among others)...if we the fans know the stories, then it's not some sort of big secret...

Maybe we can talk about legitimate candidates.
 
TheOriginalCane said:
You are 100% correct.

While we have some very bright/connected posters, this board also features some of the dumbest, most reactionary, most uninformed fans on any sports website. And those people tend to be loud. And those people will crap all over posters with valid information (particularly if you are not 100% right every single time) and then post any random "report" from any random website or social media account as if those "reports" are more reliable than CIS posters with connections and knowledge.

This entire thread is filled with the same defective "if we did it once and it didn't work, we can never do it again" illogic, not to mention the "nobody with any Miami connection can ever be hired" stupidity. Good lord, if Nick Saban was a UM alum, you'd still have a vocal group screaming for a "national search".

Cribby, you can be a witness...you and I PM'd weeks ago, and I gave you the name of a couple of BOT guys who would likely be taking the lead if UM (collectively) decided to make a change...and you can tell these "I don't think anything is actually happening until I read it in a Barry Jackson article" dopes that one of the names I cited is now being identified in lots of news reports...and before I mentioned it to you and Spike and a few others, almost nobody mentioned this guy's name on this board...

Look, in an ideal "Sam Jankovich" world, we would NEVER need a national search (for a head coach). We would have an AD who stays on top of all the best candidates, and has a list of names "in his back pocket" as Sam always did. And what is REALLY needed, by an AD or anyone else responsible for these hirings, is a moderate amount of open-mindedness and a pre-existing profile of who we should be hiring. Manny may be a nice guy, but it doesn't make logical sense to go from a head coach with 18 years of head coaching experience...to a guy with 18 days of head coaching experience. And that decision has NOTHING to do with hiring a search firm, it has everything to do with Beta Blake NOT recognizing the attributes that Richt brought to the job (which exceeded the attributes that Shannon/Golden brought) and then locking in on only ONE guy (that he liked) with no prior head coaching experience.

Unfortunately, we have a bunch of dopey fans who only focus on resume, rather than the combination of resume, accomplishments, presentation (of ideas/plans/goals), and personal attributes. We have fans who cannot fathom how certain coaching candidates have serious background/behavioral issues which will be disqualifiers for their hiring. Good lord, we had a thread about hiring Orgeron, who was actually fired by Miami for alcoholism and violence against a woman. Not fired by another school. BY MIAMI. I like Coach Orgeron, but he's never getting a job at UM ever again, at any level.

We have posters who think that a "national search" will somehow uncover hidden coaching gems. We need to deal with reality. Outside of Saban-Swinney-Meyer (and maybe Jimbo), we are not going to identify any other coaches who have succeeded on the P5 level without SOME form of failure. Bad losses. Prior firings. Inability to dominate even at a P5 conference level. So we have to find someone who has learned from past mistakes and is hungry (and grateful) for the chance to re-prove himself at a (formerly) great football school with a legitimate chance to win more national championships. It still boggles the mind as to how many of our dopey porsters will swear that we MUST hire Kiffin (because, you know, FAU/Ole Miss) while they continue to rip Mario for, you know, FIU.

Plenty of great national-championship-winning coaches were hired without "national searches". Dabo Swinney was Clemson's WIDE RECEIVERS COACH. Alabama (and LSU) didn't do "national searches" before hiring Nick Saban. Same with Urban Meyer. Jimbo's last couple of employers were focused on him to the exclusion of everyone else. But our fans are obsessing over Mario's diploma and a ****ty first head coaching job at FI-*******-U.

Quite frankly, we should be **** happy and lucky to be able to hire Mario without having an AD-in-office like Sam Jankovich. If Sam Jankovich were alive today, you know that Mario's name would be on the list in his back pocket. But some of our crazy fans would still find reasons to nitpick.

Ridiculous.
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POST. OF. THE. THREAD.

CLOSE IT DOWN
 
SoFlaSmitty said:
If it came down to moving mom there or her getting to stay where she is comfortable with all her friends and family. My guess would be he would move here. She is 80+ year old Cuban woman, she doesn't want to be in Oregon if she can stay in Miami. Lets hope if Mario is the guy Miami makes it worth it for him to move.
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i can assure you she is NOT moving to Oregon. There is no way she is displacing her entire life to move to Oregon. Anyone that says otherwise don't know any 80 year plus Cuban moms that live in Westchester.
 
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Private Jets? Helicopters?
If I’m not mistaken, when Richt was here didn’t one of the boosters allow him to use a jet?
I don’t think that would be a problem.
It’s support staff size, cutting edge technology, more perks for the players, a bigger commitment form adidas, nutrition, training, recruiting budget, analysts, tutor’s, anything that can make the player’s and coach’s job more efficient and streamlined.

If a player is on crutches he shouldn’t be hobbling all over campus from class to class.

Just like in warfare you have to take into consideration geography. In terms of recruiting Eugene is freaking Afghanistan. It’s far from the hottest recruiting bases in America. SOFLA, DMV, Texas Georgia and Louisiana. and the weather sucks. ****, as much west coast love that they get it’s still 900 miles away from Los Angeles.

Regardless of a private jet or not those recruiting trips are a pain in the ***.
This whole scenario and the only reason we are here is due to the school not caring about football for a very long time.
If Miami would’ve put as much financial support as the other schools then the best coaches would absolutely be lining up to come here and it’s for one reason only: Access to the most talent rich recruiting land in the country.

Yes Eugene is a great job with the most powerful force in athletics giving you a blank check and yet they have 0.00000 titles to show for it and urban Saban jimbo and whoever you want to put in there has never even called that school with any interest.
So basically that job with all the glitz and glamour and fancy uniforms has not a been able to attract the people that are considered the best coaches in America in the past 12 years.

Rgardless if willie was a hot commodity or not he hadn’t won sht and was a poor eval by a lot of wealthy schools that are still paying him.
If Miami even goes 80% of what those schools have we would be sitting pretty with everyone.
Cause a multi millionaire rather spend his time on campus and at home than traveling all over the **** country in a jet trying to convince everyone to fly away to the cold and rainy sticks.

A great coach at Miami could drive around the tri-county area and make it home for dinner and if not, at least make it home to tuck his kids in.

Out of all the players in this cycle we were after only a few would’ve required some extensive travel time.
And if we did use a private jet, the gas bill would be substantially less than the one Oregon has to pay.
 
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TheOriginalCane said:
You are 100% correct.

While we have some very bright/connected posters, this board also features some of the dumbest, most reactionary, most uninformed fans on any sports website. And those people tend to be loud. And those people will crap all over posters with valid information (particularly if you are not 100% right every single time) and then post any random "report" from any random website or social media account as if those "reports" are more reliable than CIS posters with connections and knowledge.

This entire thread is filled with the same defective "if we did it once and it didn't work, we can never do it again" illogic, not to mention the "nobody with any Miami connection can ever be hired" stupidity. Good lord, if Nick Saban was a UM alum, you'd still have a vocal group screaming for a "national search".

Cribby, you can be a witness...you and I PM'd weeks ago, and I gave you the name of a couple of BOT guys who would likely be taking the lead if UM (collectively) decided to make a change...and you can tell these "I don't think anything is actually happening until I read it in a Barry Jackson article" dopes that one of the names I cited is now being identified in lots of news reports...and before I mentioned it to you and Spike and a few others, almost nobody mentioned this guy's name on this board...

Look, in an ideal "Sam Jankovich" world, we would NEVER need a national search (for a head coach). We would have an AD who stays on top of all the best candidates, and has a list of names "in his back pocket" as Sam always did. And what is REALLY needed, by an AD or anyone else responsible for these hirings, is a moderate amount of open-mindedness and a pre-existing profile of who we should be hiring. Manny may be a nice guy, but it doesn't make logical sense to go from a head coach with 18 years of head coaching experience...to a guy with 18 days of head coaching experience. And that decision has NOTHING to do with hiring a search firm, it has everything to do with Beta Blake NOT recognizing the attributes that Richt brought to the job (which exceeded the attributes that Shannon/Golden brought) and then locking in on only ONE guy (that he liked) with no prior head coaching experience.

Unfortunately, we have a bunch of dopey fans who only focus on resume, rather than the combination of resume, accomplishments, presentation (of ideas/plans/goals), and personal attributes. We have fans who cannot fathom how certain coaching candidates have serious background/behavioral issues which will be disqualifiers for their hiring. Good lord, we had a thread about hiring Orgeron, who was actually fired by Miami for alcoholism and violence against a woman. Not fired by another school. BY MIAMI. I like Coach Orgeron, but he's never getting a job at UM ever again, at any level.

We have posters who think that a "national search" will somehow uncover hidden coaching gems. We need to deal with reality. Outside of Saban-Swinney-Meyer (and maybe Jimbo), we are not going to identify any other coaches who have succeeded on the P5 level without SOME form of failure. Bad losses. Prior firings. Inability to dominate even at a P5 conference level. So we have to find someone who has learned from past mistakes and is hungry (and grateful) for the chance to re-prove himself at a (formerly) great football school with a legitimate chance to win more national championships. It still boggles the mind as to how many of our dopey porsters will swear that we MUST hire Kiffin (because, you know, FAU/Ole Miss) while they continue to rip Mario for, you know, FIU.

Plenty of great national-championship-winning coaches were hired without "national searches". Dabo Swinney was Clemson's WIDE RECEIVERS COACH. Alabama (and LSU) didn't do "national searches" before hiring Nick Saban. Same with Urban Meyer. Jimbo's last couple of employers were focused on him to the exclusion of everyone else. But our fans are obsessing over Mario's diploma and a ****ty first head coaching job at FI-*******-U.

Quite frankly, we should be **** happy and lucky to be able to hire Mario without having an AD-in-office like Sam Jankovich. If Sam Jankovich were alive today, you know that Mario's name would be on the list in his back pocket. But some of our crazy fans would still find reasons to nitpick.

Ridiculous.
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JimmyJohnsonsHair said:
Every time someone mentions Dabo Swinney to rationalize a lazy coaching search a kitten dies.
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For the record, I wouldn't say that was a "lazy coaching search" and I'm not rationalizing it either, but it is certainly one that did not go by "best available resume" in making up a Top 10 list of candidates. I think Clemson had plenty of intel on which to hire Dabo, but they also didn't chase the Sabans and Meyers of the day.

Clemson took a chance, and Clemson hit the jackpot. Doesn't mean that every team in every situation should do the same.
 
TheOriginalCane said:
For the record, I wouldn't say that was a "lazy coaching search" and I'm not rationalizing it either, but it is certainly one that did not go by "best available resume" in making up a Top 10 list of candidates. I think Clemson had plenty of intel on which to hire Dabo, but they also didn't chase the Sabans and Meyers of the day.

Clemson took a chance, and Clemson hit the jackpot. Doesn't mean that every team in every situation should do the same.
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Agreed. I kind of view Dabo as the exception that proves the rule.
 
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