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90scane

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In a min after I work out, I’m going to do a history of recruiting from the ACC Coastal over a 4 yr period per class (Fresh, Soph, Jr, Sr) to where we’ve been.

It won’t be 100% accurate as some kids did transfer or move on early before their Sr yr, but it’ll give a general premise to see if it’s truly talent or coaching.

I was trying to provide some data to discuss. I have no dog in the fight outside of wanting Miami to win more. The last time I knew a coach or player personally was in the 90s.

Just looking at Miami from our lens doesn't provide us answers without looking at other schools.

Since UNC is considered a contender for the coastal and beat the doors off Manny the last two years:

UNC -
29 blue chippers 2021

2020 -
Key Losses: 5 NFL guys, 1 was 4*, 2 4* transfers (QB, OL) = -3
Key Additions: 4* RB transfer in, 11 4* 2021 kids, 1 5* 2021 kid = +13

29-10 = 19 blue chippers for 2020 UNC
 

Southcane

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I will excuse the Bama game as they are in another league. Last season we lost to Clemson 42-17 think was the score. People excuse is to point to stars and say we are over matched. We had some infusion of talent that made us close the gap on them and they lost some players in the offseason. But they bring in top recruiting classes yearly. So largely its the same gap from last season to this

Anyway Clemson has 10 5 stars, 41 4 stars and 30 3 stars. For us its 2 5 stars, 43 4 stars and 38 3 stars. Thats basically the roster comparison that is a 42-17 gap for Miami coaches. (BTW UGA roster is as close to Bama as Clemson is to us. UGA-Clemson was 10-3, UGA would beat us into a coma)

Now remember our roster breakdown for us and consider we are -7 v App St at home. App St as.1....yes 1 4 star and 44 3 star players. I guess everyone else is unranked.

What is my point? There are two ways to either beat teams or challenge them. You can either be so much better than them where basic plays will still beat them even if they figured its coming, or you can scheme and coach beat them where it bamboozle them and equalize the talent gap if they are better than you talent wise.

When you combine both you get Bama.

When you cant even make a game competitive and your first instinct is to cry about who we don't have, it means you make no difference as a coach and i could coach the team to the same result as only the players you have matters. The coaches job is to make the whole bigger than the sum of its parts. We don't have that. No evidence of that yet.

App St coaches will coach and close the talent gap with us according vegas. For some reason though, every time we play an opponent thats better or favored not only do it turn out the way the betting line says....its worse. See Saturday against Bama, Clemson, LSU , UNC etc, and also on the other hand when vegas favors us bar a few times where the opponent is dumster juice, FSU and Louisville, the underdogs against us manage to make the game closer than the pre game line. Our coaching staff is not giving us any type of edge against any team. Matter of fact they are a net negative.

If we don't see drastic improvements for the rest of the season starting this Saturday, know that nothing is changing. If we are still struggling with App St and Mich St, UVA etc. nothing has changed . I gave Diaz slack because he seems amenable to changes and has gotten a little better recruiting. At some point the changes have to show on the field. Political speeches sounds nice until you see the bill. The bill so far needs to be repealed.

And please dont give me no cr@p about who will come blah blah. Plenty of coaches would love to run through the ACC with the 13th ranked roster in the nation and then a chance to recruit Miami and make it better after they beat Duke, GT and UVA to sleep and give UNC an azz kicking for throwing down the U. I hold my powder till season's end to decide.
2006 Fiesta Bowl. Oklahoma (talent) Vs Boise State (coaching and scheming). It was a memorable game.
 
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Rellyrell

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OK fine folks, we entered ACC play in 2004.

⚠️: This is going to be a long QP, to highlight if we’ve had a talent issue or a coaching issue. We know attrition existed w/in our program, but every team faces attrition whether it be from early draftees, transfers, ineligibilities, injuries, etc. It’s too cumbersome to extrapolate every single team’s attrition, so it all pans out as I’m including those team’s attrition issues in this, as well.

With that being said, what I’ll be focusing on is strictly what each coaching regime had at their disposal regarding enrollees &/or LOIs for all teams. What will not be included are Hard Commits who never signed. Again, b/c this is not a 100% accurate method, but pretty damn close, to alleviate any confusions, I’ll also be highlighting NFL draft picks that were on each team during this period. The class rankings listed will be the average class ranked, per team, during each of our coaches’ regime. So buckle up b/c here we go (Data provided via 247):

“COKER YEARS” (2004 - 2006):
Avg. Recruiting Classes -
-Miami -#8 (29 blue chips: 6 - 5*/ 24 - 4*)
-Duke - #58 (2 blue chips: 2 - 4*)
-GT - #60 (1 blue chip - 5*)
-UNC - #34 (6 blue chips: 6 - 4*)
-UVA - #44 (9 blue chips: 1 - 5* / 8 - 4*)
-VT - #28 (11 blue chips: 11 - 4*)

Results?
-Miami (19 - 12: 0 ACC Coastal)
-Duke (3 - 31: 0 ACC Coastal)
-GT: (23 - 17: 1 ACC Coastal)
-UNC: (14-21: 0 ACC Coastal)
-UVA: (20 - 16; 0 ACC Coastal)
-VT: (31 - 11; 1 ACC Coastal / 1 ACC)

NFL draft picks (2005 - 2007)
*This highlights who played on the teams from 2004 - 2006:
-Miami: 19 (5 - 1st rounders)
-Duke: 0
-GT: 5 (1 - 1st rounder)
-UNC: 4 (0 - 1st rounder)
-UVA: 14 (2 - 1st rounders)
-VT: 15 (0 - 1st rounders)

“SHANNON YEARS” (2007 - 2010):
Avg. Recruiting Classes -
-Miami #11 (42 blue chips: 3 - 5* / 39 - 4*)
-Duke: #68 (2 blue chips: 2 - 4*)
-GT: #38 (13 blue chips: 13 - 4*)
-UNC: #19 (32 blue chips: 3 - 5* / 29 - 4*)
-UVA: #48 (9 blue chips: 9 - 4*)
VT: #24 (16 blue chips: 1 - 5* / 15 - 4*)

Results?
-Miami: 28 - 23 (0 ACC Coastal Titles)
-Duke: 13 - 35 (0 ACC Coastal Titles)
-GT: 32 - 10 (2 ACC Coastals / 1 ACC)
-UNC: 28 - 23 (0 ACC Coastal)
-UVA: 21 - 28 (0 ACC Coastal)
-VT: 42 - 13 (3 Coastal / 3 ACC)

NFL draft picks (2008 - 2011)
*This highlights who played on the teams from 2007 - 2011):
-Miami: 16 (1 - 1st rounders)
-Duke: 0
-GT: 12 (2 - 1st rounders)
-UNC: 18 (3 - 1st rounders)
-UVA: 9 (3 - 1st rounders)
-VT: 17 (1 - 1st rounder)

“GOLDEN YEARS” (2011 - 2015):
Avg. Recruiting Classes -
-Miami: #19 (36 blue chips: 4 - 5* / 32 - 4*)
-Duke: #62 (1 blue chip: 1 - 4*)
-GT: #53 (4 blue chips: 4 - 4*)
-UNC: #29 (21 blue chips: 21 - 4*)
-Pitt: #41** (7 blue chips: 7 - 4*)
-UVA: 32 (17 blue chips: 2 - 5* / 15 - 4*)
-VT: 27 (22 blue chips: 1 - 5* / 21 - 4*)
**Pitt didn’t officially become a member of the ACC Coastal until the 2013 season. Their avg is from 2013 - 2015

Results?
-Miami: 36 - 27 (0 ACC Coastal)
-Duke: 36 - 29 (1 ACC Coastal)
-GT: 36 - 30 (2 ACC Coastals)
-UNC: 39 - 26 (1 ACC Coastal)
-Pitt: 21 - 18 (0 ACC Coastal)
-UVA: 23 - 28 (0 ACC Coastal)
-VT: 40 - 26 (1 ACC Coastal)

NFL Draft Picks (2012 - 2016)
*This highlights who played on the team during the 2011 - 2015 season:
-Miami: 20 (3 - 1st rounders)
-Duke: 4 (1 - 1st rounder)
-GT: 9 (0 - 1st rounder)
-UNC: 12 (4 - 1st rounders)
-Pitt: 5 (1 - 1st rounder)
-UVA: 8 (0 - 1st rounder)
-VT: 12 (2 - 1st rounders)

“MARK RICHT YEARS” (2016 - 2018)
Avg. Recruiting Classes -
-Miami: #14 (34 blue chips: 1 - 5* / 33 - 4*)
-Duke: #48 (6 blue chips: 6 - 4*)
-GT: #51 (3 blue chips: 3 - 4*)
-UNC: #27 (10 blue chips: 10 - 4*)
-Pitt: #33 (8 blue chips: 8 - 4*)
-UVA: #60 (0 blue chips)
-VT: #35 (13 blue chips: 13 - 4*)

Results?
-Miami: 26 - 13 (1 ACC Coastal)
-Duke: 19 - 19 (0 ACC Coastal)
-GT: 21 - 16 (0 ACC Coastal)
-UNC: 13 - 23 (0 ACC Coastal)
-Pitt: 20 - 19 (1 ACC Coastal)
-UVA: 15 - 22 (0 ACC Coastal)
-VT: 25 - 15 (1 ACC Coastal)

NFL Draft Picks (2017 - 2019)
*This highlights who played on the team from 2016 - 2018:
-Miami: 20 (1 - 1st rounder)
-Duke: 1 (1 - 1st rounder)
-GT: 1 (0 - 1st rounders)
-UNC: 10 (1 - 1st rounder)
-Pitt: 9 (0 - 1st rounders)
-UVA: 4 (0 - 1st rounders)
-VT: 9 (2 - 1st rounders)

“DIAZ YEARS” (2019 - Present)
Avg. Recruiting Classes** -
-Miami: #18 (38 blue chips: 2 - 5*/ 36 - 4*)
-Duke: #56 (1 blue chip: 1 - 4*)
-GT: #42 (10 blue chips: 10 - 4*)
-UNC: #19 (29 blue chips: 2 - 5*/ 27 - 4*)
-Pitt: #43 (5 blue chips: 5 - 4*)
-UVA: #40 (6 blue chips: 6 - 4*)
-VT: #49 (11 blue chips: 11 - 4*)
**These rankings/blue chips for ALL TEAMS also include the transfer portal’s re-rankings (Ex. J Phillips was a 5* in HS, but became a 4* transfer or D King was a 3* in HS, but became a 4* transfer)

Results? (Including 1st game of ‘21 season)
Miami: 14 - 11 (0 ACC Coastals)
Duke: 7 - 17 (0 ACC Coastals)
GT: 13 - 23 (0 ACC Coastals)
UNC: 15 - 11 (0 ACC Coastals)
Pitt: 14 - 10 (0 ACC Coastals)
UVA: 15 - 10 (1 ACC Coastal)
VT: 14 - 11 (0 ACC Coastals)

NFL Draft Picks (2020 - 2021)
*This highlights who played on the team from 2019 - 2020:
-Miami: 8 (2 - 1st rounders)
-Duke: 4 (0 - 1st rounders)
-GT: 3 (0 - 1st rounders)
-UNC: 7 (0 - 1st rounders)
-Pitt: 7 (0 - 1st rounders)
-UVA: 2 (0 - 1st rounders)
-VT: 6 (2 - 1st rounders)

In summary:
Since 2004, over 5 coaching regimes:
-Miami has signed an avg class ranked 14th (The next closest during this span is UNC at 26th)

-Miami has signed a total of 198 blue chip players including 16 - 5* (The next closest: UNC at 98 blue chips & 5 - 5*)

-Miami has had a total of 83 draft picks w/ 12 - 1st rounders (The next closest: VT w/ 59 draft picks & UNC w/ 8 - 1st rounders)

-Yet, here are the results despite such a huge discrepancy:
From 2004 - present:
-One 10+ win season (2017)
**Even GT has two 10+ win seasons despite recruiting atrociously (2009, 2014)

-A 78 - 59 record in the ACC (.570 win %)
**Even GT is 78 - 59, but have more accomplishments

-One Coastal Title
**Even GT, UVA, Pitt, & Duke have at least 1 ACC Coastal during this period, despite our massive talent advantage.

So if u wanna bicker about not having talent have been our problem, well 247 &/or The NFL draft over a course of 17 yrs vehemently disagrees. We don’t have Bama or the now known elite football powers type of talent, but we are absolutely murdering EVERY single team in the Coastal from a talent standpoint. It’s no wonder that our best 3 yr window came under a soon to be CFB Hall of Fame coach in Richt. That should tell u right there that our problem is not talent, but coaching.
 
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NC_Canes_11

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OK fine folks, we entered ACC play in 2004.

⚠️: This is going to be a long QP, to highlight if we’ve had a talent issue or a coaching issue. We know attrition existed w/in our program, but every team faces attrition whether it be from early draftees, transfers, ineligibilities, injuries, etc. It’s too cumbersome to extrapolate every single team’s attrition, so it all pans out as I’m including those team’s attrition issues in this, as well.

With that being said, what I’ll be focusing on is strictly what each coaching regime had at their disposal regarding enrollees &/or LOIs for all teams. What will not be included are Hard Commits who never signed. Again, b/c this is not a 100% accurate method, but pretty damn close, to alleviate any confusions, I’ll also be highlighting NFL draft picks that were on each team during this period. The class rankings listed will be the average class ranked, per team, during each of our coaches’ regime. So buckle up b/c here we go (Data provided via 247):

“COKER YEARS” (2004 - 2006):
Avg. Recruiting Classes -
-Miami -#8 (29 blue chips: 6 - 5*/ 24 - 4*)
-Duke - #58 (2 blue chips: 2 - 4*)
-GT - #60 (1 blue chip - 5*)
-UNC - #34 (6 blue chips: 6 - 4*)
-UVA - #44 (9 blue chips: 1 - 5* / 8 - 4*)
-VT - #28 (11 blue chips: 11 - 4*)

Results?
-Miami (19 - 12: 0 ACC Coastal)
-Duke (3 - 31: 0 ACC Coastal)
-GT: (23 - 17: 1 ACC Coastal)
-UNC: (14-21: 0 ACC Coastal)
-UVA: (20 - 16; 0 ACC Coastal)
-VT: (31 - 11; 1 ACC Coastal / 1 ACC)

NFL draft picks (2005 - 2007)
*This highlights who played on the teams from 2004 - 2006:
-Miami: 19 (5 - 1st rounders)
-Duke: 0
-GT: 5 (1 - 1st rounder)
-UNC: 4 (0 - 1st rounder)
-UVA: 14 (2 - 1st rounders)
-VT: 15 (0 - 1st rounders)

“SHANNON YEARS” (2007 - 2010):
Avg. Recruiting Classes -
-Miami #11 (42 blue chips: 3 - 5* / 39 - 4*)
-Duke: #68 (2 blue chips: 2 - 4*)
-GT: #38 (13 blue chips: 13 - 4*)
-UNC: #19 (32 blue chips: 3 - 5* / 29 - 4*)
-UVA: #48 (9 blue chips: 9 - 4*)
VT: #24 (16 blue chips: 1 - 5* / 15 - 4*)

Results?
-Miami: 28 - 23 (0 ACC Coastal Titles)
-Duke: 13 - 35 (0 ACC Coastal Titles)
-GT: 32 - 10 (2 ACC Coastals / 1 ACC)
-UNC: 28 - 23 (0 ACC Coastal)
-UVA: 21 - 28 (0 ACC Coastal)
-VT: 42 - 13 (3 Coastal / 3 ACC)

NFL draft picks (2008 - 2011)
*This highlights who played on the teams from 2007 - 2011):
-Miami: 16 (1 - 1st rounders)
-Duke: 0
-GT: 12 (2 - 1st rounders)
-UNC: 18 (3 - 1st rounders)
-UVA: 9 (3 - 1st rounders)
-VT: 17 (1 - 1st rounder)

“GOLDEN YEARS” (2011 - 2015):
-Miami: #19 (36 blue chips: 4 - 5* / 32 - 4*)
-Duke: #62 (1 blue chip: 1 - 4*)
-GT: #53 (4 blue chips: 4 - 4*)
-UNC: #29 (21 blue chips: 21 - 4*)
-Pitt: #41** (7 blue chips: 7 - 4*)
-UVA: 32 (17 blue chips: 2 - 5* / 15 - 4*)
-VT: 27 (22 blue chips: 1 - 5* / 21 - 4*)
**Pitt didn’t officially become a member of the ACC Coastal until the 2013 season. Their avg is from 2013 - 2015

Results?
-Miami: 36 - 27 (0 ACC Coastal)
-Duke: 36 - 29 (1 ACC Coastal)
-GT: 36 - 30 (2 ACC Coastals)
-UNC: 39 - 26 (1 ACC Coastal)
-Pitt: 21 - 18 (0 ACC Coastal)
-UVA: 23 - 28 (0 ACC Coastal)
-VT: 40 - 26 (1 ACC Coastal)

NFL Draft Picks (2012 - 2016)
*This highlights who played on the team during the 2011 - 2015 season:
-Miami: 20 (3 - 1st rounders)
-Duke: 4 (1 - 1st rounder)
-GT: 9 (0 - 1st rounder)
-UNC: 12 (4 - 1st rounders)
-Pitt: 5 (1 - 1st rounder)
-UVA: 8 (0 - 1st rounder)
-VT: 12 (2 - 1st rounders)

“MARK RICHT YEARS” (2016 - 2018)
Avg. Recruiting Classes -
-Miami: #14 (34 blue chips: 1 - 5* / 33 - 4*)
-Duke: #48 (6 blue chips: 6 - 4*)
-GT: #51 (3 blue chips: 3 - 4*)
-UNC: #27 (10 blue chips: 10 - 4*)
-Pitt: #33 (8 blue chips: 8 - 4*)
-UVA: #60 (0 blue chips)
-VT: #35 (13 blue chips: 13 - 4*)

Results?
-Miami: 26 - 13 (1 ACC Coastal)
-Duke: 19 - 19 (0 ACC Coastal)
-GT: 21 - 16 (0 ACC Coastal)
-UNC: 13 - 23 (0 ACC Coastal)
-Pitt: 20 - 19 (1 ACC Coastal)
-UVA: 15 - 22 (0 ACC Coastal)
-VT: 25 - 15 (1 ACC Coastal)

NFL Draft Picks (2017 - 2019)
*This highlights who played on the team from 2016 - 2018:
-Miami: 20 (1 - 1st rounder)
-Duke: 1 (1 - 1st rounder)
-GT: 1 (0 - 1st rounders)
-UNC: 10 (1 - 1st rounder)
-Pitt: 9 (0 - 1st rounders)
-UVA: 4 (0 - 1st rounders)
-VT: 9 (2 - 1st rounders)

“DIAZ YEARS” (2019 - Present)
Avg. Recruiting Classes** -
-Miami: #18 (38 blue chips: 2 - 5*/ 36 - 4*)
-Duke: #56 (1 blue chip: 1 - 4*)
-GT: #42 (10 blue chips: 10 - 4*)
-UNC: #19 (29 blue chips: 2 - 5*/ 27 - 4*)
-Pitt: #43 (5 blue chips: 5 - 4*)
-UVA: #40 (6 blue chips: 6 - 4*)
-VT: #49 (11 blue chips: 11 - 4*)
**These rankings/blue chips for ALL TEAMS also include the transfer portal’s re-rankings (Ex. J Phillips was a 5* in HS, but became a 4* transfer or D King was a 3* in HS, but became a 4* transfer)

Results? (Including 1st game of ‘21 season)
Miami: 14 - 11 (0 ACC Coastals)
Duke: 7 - 17 (0 ACC Coastals)
GT: 13 - 23 (0 ACC Coastals)
UNC: 15 - 11 (0 ACC Coastals)
Pitt: 14 - 10 (0 ACC Coastals)
UVA: 15 - 10 (1 ACC Coastal)
VT: 14 - 11 (0 ACC Coastals)

NFL Draft Picks (2020 - 2021)
*This highlights who played on the team from 2019 - 2020:
-Miami: 8 (2 - 1st rounders)
-Duke: 4 (0 - 1st rounders)
-GT: 3 (0 - 1st rounders)
-UNC: 7 (0 - 1st rounders)
-Pitt: 7 (0 - 1st rounders)
-UVA: 2 (0 - 1st rounders)
-VT: 6 (2 - 1st rounders)

In summary:
Since 2004, over 5 coaching regimes:
-Miami has signed an avg class ranked 14th (The next closest during this span is UNC at 26th)

-Miami has signed a total of 198 blue chip players including 16 - 5* (The next closest: UNC at 98 blue chips & 5 - 5*)

-Miami has had a total of 83 draft picks w/ 12 - 1st rounders (The next closest: VT w/ 59 draft picks & UNC w/ 8 - 1st rounders)

-Yet, here are the results despite such a huge discrepancy:
From 2004 - present:
-One 10+ win season (2017)
**Even GT has two 10+ win seasons despite recruiting atrociously (2009, 2014)

-A 78 - 59 record in the ACC (.570 win %)
**Even GT is 78 - 59, but have more accomplishments

-One Coastal Title
**Even GT, UVA, Pitt, & Duke have at least 1 ACC Coastal during this period, despite our massive talent advantage.

So if u wanna bicker about not having talent have been our problem, well 247 &/or The NFL draft over a course of 17 yrs vehemently disagrees. We don’t have Bama or the now known elite football powers type of talent, but we are absolutely murdering EVERY single team in the Coastal from a talent standpoint. It’s no wonder that our best 3 yr window came under a soon to be CFB Hall of Fame coach in Richt. That should tell u right there that our problem is not talent, but coaching.
To be fair we’ve been consistent. We always finish 2nd or 3rd in the Coastal while everyone else shuffles up and down around us 😂😂😂
 

Southcane

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OK fine folks, we entered ACC play in 2004.

⚠️: This is going to be a long QP, to highlight if we’ve had a talent issue or a coaching issue. We know attrition existed w/in our program, but every team faces attrition whether it be from early draftees, transfers, ineligibilities, injuries, etc. It’s too cumbersome to extrapolate every single team’s attrition, so it all pans out as I’m including those team’s attrition issues in this, as well.

With that being said, what I’ll be focusing on is strictly what each coaching regime had at their disposal regarding enrollees &/or LOIs for all teams. What will not be included are Hard Commits who never signed. Again, b/c this is not a 100% accurate method, but pretty damn close, to alleviate any confusions, I’ll also be highlighting NFL draft picks that were on each team during this period. The class rankings listed will be the average class ranked, per team, during each of our coaches’ regime. So buckle up b/c here we go (Data provided via 247):

“COKER YEARS” (2004 - 2006):
Avg. Recruiting Classes -
-Miami -#8 (29 blue chips: 6 - 5*/ 24 - 4*)
-Duke - #58 (2 blue chips: 2 - 4*)
-GT - #60 (1 blue chip - 5*)
-UNC - #34 (6 blue chips: 6 - 4*)
-UVA - #44 (9 blue chips: 1 - 5* / 8 - 4*)
-VT - #28 (11 blue chips: 11 - 4*)

Results?
-Miami (19 - 12: 0 ACC Coastal)
-Duke (3 - 31: 0 ACC Coastal)
-GT: (23 - 17: 1 ACC Coastal)
-UNC: (14-21: 0 ACC Coastal)
-UVA: (20 - 16; 0 ACC Coastal)
-VT: (31 - 11; 1 ACC Coastal / 1 ACC)

NFL draft picks (2005 - 2007)
*This highlights who played on the teams from 2004 - 2006:
-Miami: 19 (5 - 1st rounders)
-Duke: 0
-GT: 5 (1 - 1st rounder)
-UNC: 4 (0 - 1st rounder)
-UVA: 14 (2 - 1st rounders)
-VT: 15 (0 - 1st rounders)

“SHANNON YEARS” (2007 - 2010):
Avg. Recruiting Classes -
-Miami #11 (42 blue chips: 3 - 5* / 39 - 4*)
-Duke: #68 (2 blue chips: 2 - 4*)
-GT: #38 (13 blue chips: 13 - 4*)
-UNC: #19 (32 blue chips: 3 - 5* / 29 - 4*)
-UVA: #48 (9 blue chips: 9 - 4*)
VT: #24 (16 blue chips: 1 - 5* / 15 - 4*)

Results?
-Miami: 28 - 23 (0 ACC Coastal Titles)
-Duke: 13 - 35 (0 ACC Coastal Titles)
-GT: 32 - 10 (2 ACC Coastals / 1 ACC)
-UNC: 28 - 23 (0 ACC Coastal)
-UVA: 21 - 28 (0 ACC Coastal)
-VT: 42 - 13 (3 Coastal / 3 ACC)

NFL draft picks (2008 - 2011)
*This highlights who played on the teams from 2007 - 2011):
-Miami: 16 (1 - 1st rounders)
-Duke: 0
-GT: 12 (2 - 1st rounders)
-UNC: 18 (3 - 1st rounders)
-UVA: 9 (3 - 1st rounders)
-VT: 17 (1 - 1st rounder)

“GOLDEN YEARS” (2011 - 2015):
-Miami: #19 (36 blue chips: 4 - 5* / 32 - 4*)
-Duke: #62 (1 blue chip: 1 - 4*)
-GT: #53 (4 blue chips: 4 - 4*)
-UNC: #29 (21 blue chips: 21 - 4*)
-Pitt: #41** (7 blue chips: 7 - 4*)
-UVA: 32 (17 blue chips: 2 - 5* / 15 - 4*)
-VT: 27 (22 blue chips: 1 - 5* / 21 - 4*)
**Pitt didn’t officially become a member of the ACC Coastal until the 2013 season. Their avg is from 2013 - 2015

Results?
-Miami: 36 - 27 (0 ACC Coastal)
-Duke: 36 - 29 (1 ACC Coastal)
-GT: 36 - 30 (2 ACC Coastals)
-UNC: 39 - 26 (1 ACC Coastal)
-Pitt: 21 - 18 (0 ACC Coastal)
-UVA: 23 - 28 (0 ACC Coastal)
-VT: 40 - 26 (1 ACC Coastal)

NFL Draft Picks (2012 - 2016)
*This highlights who played on the team during the 2011 - 2015 season:
-Miami: 20 (3 - 1st rounders)
-Duke: 4 (1 - 1st rounder)
-GT: 9 (0 - 1st rounder)
-UNC: 12 (4 - 1st rounders)
-Pitt: 5 (1 - 1st rounder)
-UVA: 8 (0 - 1st rounder)
-VT: 12 (2 - 1st rounders)

“MARK RICHT YEARS” (2016 - 2018)
Avg. Recruiting Classes -
-Miami: #14 (34 blue chips: 1 - 5* / 33 - 4*)
-Duke: #48 (6 blue chips: 6 - 4*)
-GT: #51 (3 blue chips: 3 - 4*)
-UNC: #27 (10 blue chips: 10 - 4*)
-Pitt: #33 (8 blue chips: 8 - 4*)
-UVA: #60 (0 blue chips)
-VT: #35 (13 blue chips: 13 - 4*)

Results?
-Miami: 26 - 13 (1 ACC Coastal)
-Duke: 19 - 19 (0 ACC Coastal)
-GT: 21 - 16 (0 ACC Coastal)
-UNC: 13 - 23 (0 ACC Coastal)
-Pitt: 20 - 19 (1 ACC Coastal)
-UVA: 15 - 22 (0 ACC Coastal)
-VT: 25 - 15 (1 ACC Coastal)

NFL Draft Picks (2017 - 2019)
*This highlights who played on the team from 2016 - 2018:
-Miami: 20 (1 - 1st rounder)
-Duke: 1 (1 - 1st rounder)
-GT: 1 (0 - 1st rounders)
-UNC: 10 (1 - 1st rounder)
-Pitt: 9 (0 - 1st rounders)
-UVA: 4 (0 - 1st rounders)
-VT: 9 (2 - 1st rounders)

“DIAZ YEARS” (2019 - Present)
Avg. Recruiting Classes** -
-Miami: #18 (38 blue chips: 2 - 5*/ 36 - 4*)
-Duke: #56 (1 blue chip: 1 - 4*)
-GT: #42 (10 blue chips: 10 - 4*)
-UNC: #19 (29 blue chips: 2 - 5*/ 27 - 4*)
-Pitt: #43 (5 blue chips: 5 - 4*)
-UVA: #40 (6 blue chips: 6 - 4*)
-VT: #49 (11 blue chips: 11 - 4*)
**These rankings/blue chips for ALL TEAMS also include the transfer portal’s re-rankings (Ex. J Phillips was a 5* in HS, but became a 4* transfer or D King was a 3* in HS, but became a 4* transfer)

Results? (Including 1st game of ‘21 season)
Miami: 14 - 11 (0 ACC Coastals)
Duke: 7 - 17 (0 ACC Coastals)
GT: 13 - 23 (0 ACC Coastals)
UNC: 15 - 11 (0 ACC Coastals)
Pitt: 14 - 10 (0 ACC Coastals)
UVA: 15 - 10 (1 ACC Coastal)
VT: 14 - 11 (0 ACC Coastals)

NFL Draft Picks (2020 - 2021)
*This highlights who played on the team from 2019 - 2020:
-Miami: 8 (2 - 1st rounders)
-Duke: 4 (0 - 1st rounders)
-GT: 3 (0 - 1st rounders)
-UNC: 7 (0 - 1st rounders)
-Pitt: 7 (0 - 1st rounders)
-UVA: 2 (0 - 1st rounders)
-VT: 6 (2 - 1st rounders)

In summary:
Since 2004, over 5 coaching regimes:
-Miami has signed an avg class ranked 14th (The next closest during this span is UNC at 26th)

-Miami has signed a total of 198 blue chip players including 16 - 5* (The next closest: UNC at 98 blue chips & 5 - 5*)

-Miami has had a total of 83 draft picks w/ 12 - 1st rounders (The next closest: VT w/ 59 draft picks & UNC w/ 8 - 1st rounders)

-Yet, here are the results despite such a huge discrepancy:
From 2004 - present:
-One 10+ win season (2017)
**Even GT has two 10+ win seasons despite recruiting atrociously (2009, 2014)

-A 78 - 59 record in the ACC (.570 win %)
**Even GT is 78 - 59, but have more accomplishments

-One Coastal Title
**Even GT, UVA, Pitt, & Duke have at least 1 ACC Coastal during this period, despite our massive talent advantage.

So if u wanna bicker about not having talent have been our problem, well 247 &/or The NFL draft over a course of 17 yrs vehemently disagrees. We don’t have Bama or the now known elite football powers type of talent, but we are absolutely murdering EVERY single team in the Coastal from a talent standpoint. It’s no wonder that our best 3 yr window came under a soon to be CFB Hall of Fame coach in Richt. That should tell u right there that our problem is not talent, but coaching.
Man, you've done a great data collection and you should be commended for that. However, in the eyes of every passionate but unbiased fan who has been watching this program for the last 25 years, this is as clear as day without any research. But there will always be people who will defend the coaching for one reason or another. We had those from the Coker/Shannon days until now. Great job brother.
 
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Rellyrell

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Man, you've done a great data collection and you should be commended for that. However, in the eyes of every passionate but unbiased fan who has been watching this program for the last 25 years, this is as a clear as day without any research. But there will always be people who will defend the coaching for one reason or another. We had those from the Coker/Shannon days until now. Great job brother.

Bro, I know. Unbiased fans (who are called mopes), have known this for while.

I don’t get the defending of a coach to the detriment of the program. I don’t get defending the admin or making excuses on their behalf for the decisions made. Same chit happened during Golden’s tenure.

With that said, I always root for a coach to succeed, but not at the detriment of a team. We’ve had way too much talent go to waste. I was going to show the discrepancy of what our program does w/ our 5 star kids vs. other programs in the Coastal regarding the NFL draft, but I was like this should be enough. Lol
 

SWFLHurricane

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OK fine folks, we entered ACC play in 2004.

⚠️: This is going to be a long QP, to highlight if we’ve had a talent issue or a coaching issue. We know attrition existed w/in our program, but every team faces attrition whether it be from early draftees, transfers, ineligibilities, injuries, etc. It’s too cumbersome to extrapolate every single team’s attrition, so it all pans out as I’m including those team’s attrition issues in this, as well.

With that being said, what I’ll be focusing on is strictly what each coaching regime had at their disposal regarding enrollees &/or LOIs for all teams. What will not be included are Hard Commits who never signed. Again, b/c this is not a 100% accurate method, but pretty damn close, to alleviate any confusions, I’ll also be highlighting NFL draft picks that were on each team during this period. The class rankings listed will be the average class ranked, per team, during each of our coaches’ regime. So buckle up b/c here we go (Data provided via 247):

“COKER YEARS” (2004 - 2006):
Avg. Recruiting Classes -
-Miami -#8 (29 blue chips: 6 - 5*/ 24 - 4*)
-Duke - #58 (2 blue chips: 2 - 4*)
-GT - #60 (1 blue chip - 5*)
-UNC - #34 (6 blue chips: 6 - 4*)
-UVA - #44 (9 blue chips: 1 - 5* / 8 - 4*)
-VT - #28 (11 blue chips: 11 - 4*)

Results?
-Miami (19 - 12: 0 ACC Coastal)
-Duke (3 - 31: 0 ACC Coastal)
-GT: (23 - 17: 1 ACC Coastal)
-UNC: (14-21: 0 ACC Coastal)
-UVA: (20 - 16; 0 ACC Coastal)
-VT: (31 - 11; 1 ACC Coastal / 1 ACC)

NFL draft picks (2005 - 2007)
*This highlights who played on the teams from 2004 - 2006:
-Miami: 19 (5 - 1st rounders)
-Duke: 0
-GT: 5 (1 - 1st rounder)
-UNC: 4 (0 - 1st rounder)
-UVA: 14 (2 - 1st rounders)
-VT: 15 (0 - 1st rounders)

“SHANNON YEARS” (2007 - 2010):
Avg. Recruiting Classes -
-Miami #11 (42 blue chips: 3 - 5* / 39 - 4*)
-Duke: #68 (2 blue chips: 2 - 4*)
-GT: #38 (13 blue chips: 13 - 4*)
-UNC: #19 (32 blue chips: 3 - 5* / 29 - 4*)
-UVA: #48 (9 blue chips: 9 - 4*)
VT: #24 (16 blue chips: 1 - 5* / 15 - 4*)

Results?
-Miami: 28 - 23 (0 ACC Coastal Titles)
-Duke: 13 - 35 (0 ACC Coastal Titles)
-GT: 32 - 10 (2 ACC Coastals / 1 ACC)
-UNC: 28 - 23 (0 ACC Coastal)
-UVA: 21 - 28 (0 ACC Coastal)
-VT: 42 - 13 (3 Coastal / 3 ACC)

NFL draft picks (2008 - 2011)
*This highlights who played on the teams from 2007 - 2011):
-Miami: 16 (1 - 1st rounders)
-Duke: 0
-GT: 12 (2 - 1st rounders)
-UNC: 18 (3 - 1st rounders)
-UVA: 9 (3 - 1st rounders)
-VT: 17 (1 - 1st rounder)

“GOLDEN YEARS” (2011 - 2015):
Avg. Recruiting Classes -
-Miami: #19 (36 blue chips: 4 - 5* / 32 - 4*)
-Duke: #62 (1 blue chip: 1 - 4*)
-GT: #53 (4 blue chips: 4 - 4*)
-UNC: #29 (21 blue chips: 21 - 4*)
-Pitt: #41** (7 blue chips: 7 - 4*)
-UVA: 32 (17 blue chips: 2 - 5* / 15 - 4*)
-VT: 27 (22 blue chips: 1 - 5* / 21 - 4*)
**Pitt didn’t officially become a member of the ACC Coastal until the 2013 season. Their avg is from 2013 - 2015

Results?
-Miami: 36 - 27 (0 ACC Coastal)
-Duke: 36 - 29 (1 ACC Coastal)
-GT: 36 - 30 (2 ACC Coastals)
-UNC: 39 - 26 (1 ACC Coastal)
-Pitt: 21 - 18 (0 ACC Coastal)
-UVA: 23 - 28 (0 ACC Coastal)
-VT: 40 - 26 (1 ACC Coastal)

NFL Draft Picks (2012 - 2016)
*This highlights who played on the team during the 2011 - 2015 season:
-Miami: 20 (3 - 1st rounders)
-Duke: 4 (1 - 1st rounder)
-GT: 9 (0 - 1st rounder)
-UNC: 12 (4 - 1st rounders)
-Pitt: 5 (1 - 1st rounder)
-UVA: 8 (0 - 1st rounder)
-VT: 12 (2 - 1st rounders)

“MARK RICHT YEARS” (2016 - 2018)
Avg. Recruiting Classes -
-Miami: #14 (34 blue chips: 1 - 5* / 33 - 4*)
-Duke: #48 (6 blue chips: 6 - 4*)
-GT: #51 (3 blue chips: 3 - 4*)
-UNC: #27 (10 blue chips: 10 - 4*)
-Pitt: #33 (8 blue chips: 8 - 4*)
-UVA: #60 (0 blue chips)
-VT: #35 (13 blue chips: 13 - 4*)

Results?
-Miami: 26 - 13 (1 ACC Coastal)
-Duke: 19 - 19 (0 ACC Coastal)
-GT: 21 - 16 (0 ACC Coastal)
-UNC: 13 - 23 (0 ACC Coastal)
-Pitt: 20 - 19 (1 ACC Coastal)
-UVA: 15 - 22 (0 ACC Coastal)
-VT: 25 - 15 (1 ACC Coastal)

NFL Draft Picks (2017 - 2019)
*This highlights who played on the team from 2016 - 2018:
-Miami: 20 (1 - 1st rounder)
-Duke: 1 (1 - 1st rounder)
-GT: 1 (0 - 1st rounders)
-UNC: 10 (1 - 1st rounder)
-Pitt: 9 (0 - 1st rounders)
-UVA: 4 (0 - 1st rounders)
-VT: 9 (2 - 1st rounders)

“DIAZ YEARS” (2019 - Present)
Avg. Recruiting Classes** -
-Miami: #18 (38 blue chips: 2 - 5*/ 36 - 4*)
-Duke: #56 (1 blue chip: 1 - 4*)
-GT: #42 (10 blue chips: 10 - 4*)
-UNC: #19 (29 blue chips: 2 - 5*/ 27 - 4*)
-Pitt: #43 (5 blue chips: 5 - 4*)
-UVA: #40 (6 blue chips: 6 - 4*)
-VT: #49 (11 blue chips: 11 - 4*)
**These rankings/blue chips for ALL TEAMS also include the transfer portal’s re-rankings (Ex. J Phillips was a 5* in HS, but became a 4* transfer or D King was a 3* in HS, but became a 4* transfer)

Results? (Including 1st game of ‘21 season)
Miami: 14 - 11 (0 ACC Coastals)
Duke: 7 - 17 (0 ACC Coastals)
GT: 13 - 23 (0 ACC Coastals)
UNC: 15 - 11 (0 ACC Coastals)
Pitt: 14 - 10 (0 ACC Coastals)
UVA: 15 - 10 (1 ACC Coastal)
VT: 14 - 11 (0 ACC Coastals)

NFL Draft Picks (2020 - 2021)
*This highlights who played on the team from 2019 - 2020:
-Miami: 8 (2 - 1st rounders)
-Duke: 4 (0 - 1st rounders)
-GT: 3 (0 - 1st rounders)
-UNC: 7 (0 - 1st rounders)
-Pitt: 7 (0 - 1st rounders)
-UVA: 2 (0 - 1st rounders)
-VT: 6 (2 - 1st rounders)

In summary:
Since 2004, over 5 coaching regimes:
-Miami has signed an avg class ranked 14th (The next closest during this span is UNC at 26th)

-Miami has signed a total of 198 blue chip players including 16 - 5* (The next closest: UNC at 98 blue chips & 5 - 5*)

-Miami has had a total of 83 draft picks w/ 12 - 1st rounders (The next closest: VT w/ 59 draft picks & UNC w/ 8 - 1st rounders)

-Yet, here are the results despite such a huge discrepancy:
From 2004 - present:
-One 10+ win season (2017)
**Even GT has two 10+ win seasons despite recruiting atrociously (2009, 2014)

-A 78 - 59 record in the ACC (.570 win %)
**Even GT is 78 - 59, but have more accomplishments

-One Coastal Title
**Even GT, UVA, Pitt, & Duke have at least 1 ACC Coastal during this period, despite our massive talent advantage.

So if u wanna bicker about not having talent have been our problem, well 247 &/or The NFL draft over a course of 17 yrs vehemently disagrees. We don’t have Bama or the now known elite football powers type of talent, but we are absolutely murdering EVERY single team in the Coastal from a talent standpoint. It’s no wonder that our best 3 yr window came under a soon to be CFB Hall of Fame coach in Richt. That should tell u right there that our problem is not talent, but coaching.
Excellent Post...
 

GOCANES05

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Like in my business electrical supply, all my competitors have same electrical material same pipe same electrical panels same wire everything is the same.

The only (2) things that separates us is service and knowledge (preparation).

Again it’s not rocket science , I’m not sure we’re doing the preparation that every single player or administrator is all in.

We have a weak chain that can’t hold.

9 months to prepare for what happened, forget there BAMA . There blood and bones like us some say they bigger or faster we’ll we have the same opportunity to get and be both WE DID NOT DO IT.

Season ended and most went home to rest and relax , this equals failure.

YES we would probably have lost anyway BUT YOU FIGGHT AND LOSE WITH YOUR BATTLE BOOTS ON YOUR RIFLE IN HAD LOOK FOR THE FIGHT TO CONTINUE.

Champions season NEVER EVER ENDS .

A world champion golfer was ask why how do you always win .

I train like my next breath is my last I train as if I’m fighting to reach my family drowning and I’m struggling to reach them with all Zion have all my love all my blood till last breath.

CHAMPIONS TRAIN LIKE THIS.

BAMA QB said this when asked , we’re you nervous in your first start NO I WASN’T we train do hard and demand perfection in every aspect of our game , GAMES ARE NOT A CONCERN NO STRESS JUST PERFORM AS YOU TRAIN , THA’S IT ITS NOT COMPLICATED.

TILL WE TRSIN LIKE NO OTHER DO WE CAN BE LIKE NO OTHER .

THIS MOVIE GROUND HOG DAY WILL CONSTANTLY REPEAT.

I said this many times and ignored.
 

supacane

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OK fine folks, we entered ACC play in 2004.

⚠️: This is going to be a long QP, to highlight if we’ve had a talent issue or a coaching issue. We know attrition existed w/in our program, but every team faces attrition whether it be from early draftees, transfers, ineligibilities, injuries, etc. It’s too cumbersome to extrapolate every single team’s attrition, so it all pans out as I’m including those team’s attrition issues in this, as well.

With that being said, what I’ll be focusing on is strictly what each coaching regime had at their disposal regarding enrollees &/or LOIs for all teams. What will not be included are Hard Commits who never signed. Again, b/c this is not a 100% accurate method, but pretty damn close, to alleviate any confusions, I’ll also be highlighting NFL draft picks that were on each team during this period. The class rankings listed will be the average class ranked, per team, during each of our coaches’ regime. So buckle up b/c here we go (Data provided via 247):

“COKER YEARS” (2004 - 2006):
Avg. Recruiting Classes -
-Miami -#8 (29 blue chips: 6 - 5*/ 24 - 4*)
-Duke - #58 (2 blue chips: 2 - 4*)
-GT - #60 (1 blue chip - 5*)
-UNC - #34 (6 blue chips: 6 - 4*)
-UVA - #44 (9 blue chips: 1 - 5* / 8 - 4*)
-VT - #28 (11 blue chips: 11 - 4*)

Results?
-Miami (19 - 12: 0 ACC Coastal)
-Duke (3 - 31: 0 ACC Coastal)
-GT: (23 - 17: 1 ACC Coastal)
-UNC: (14-21: 0 ACC Coastal)
-UVA: (20 - 16; 0 ACC Coastal)
-VT: (31 - 11; 1 ACC Coastal / 1 ACC)

NFL draft picks (2005 - 2007)
*This highlights who played on the teams from 2004 - 2006:
-Miami: 19 (5 - 1st rounders)
-Duke: 0
-GT: 5 (1 - 1st rounder)
-UNC: 4 (0 - 1st rounder)
-UVA: 14 (2 - 1st rounders)
-VT: 15 (0 - 1st rounders)

“SHANNON YEARS” (2007 - 2010):
Avg. Recruiting Classes -
-Miami #11 (42 blue chips: 3 - 5* / 39 - 4*)
-Duke: #68 (2 blue chips: 2 - 4*)
-GT: #38 (13 blue chips: 13 - 4*)
-UNC: #19 (32 blue chips: 3 - 5* / 29 - 4*)
-UVA: #48 (9 blue chips: 9 - 4*)
VT: #24 (16 blue chips: 1 - 5* / 15 - 4*)

Results?
-Miami: 28 - 23 (0 ACC Coastal Titles)
-Duke: 13 - 35 (0 ACC Coastal Titles)
-GT: 32 - 10 (2 ACC Coastals / 1 ACC)
-UNC: 28 - 23 (0 ACC Coastal)
-UVA: 21 - 28 (0 ACC Coastal)
-VT: 42 - 13 (3 Coastal / 3 ACC)

NFL draft picks (2008 - 2011)
*This highlights who played on the teams from 2007 - 2011):
-Miami: 16 (1 - 1st rounders)
-Duke: 0
-GT: 12 (2 - 1st rounders)
-UNC: 18 (3 - 1st rounders)
-UVA: 9 (3 - 1st rounders)
-VT: 17 (1 - 1st rounder)

“GOLDEN YEARS” (2011 - 2015):
Avg. Recruiting Classes -
-Miami: #19 (36 blue chips: 4 - 5* / 32 - 4*)
-Duke: #62 (1 blue chip: 1 - 4*)
-GT: #53 (4 blue chips: 4 - 4*)
-UNC: #29 (21 blue chips: 21 - 4*)
-Pitt: #41** (7 blue chips: 7 - 4*)
-UVA: 32 (17 blue chips: 2 - 5* / 15 - 4*)
-VT: 27 (22 blue chips: 1 - 5* / 21 - 4*)
**Pitt didn’t officially become a member of the ACC Coastal until the 2013 season. Their avg is from 2013 - 2015

Results?
-Miami: 36 - 27 (0 ACC Coastal)
-Duke: 36 - 29 (1 ACC Coastal)
-GT: 36 - 30 (2 ACC Coastals)
-UNC: 39 - 26 (1 ACC Coastal)
-Pitt: 21 - 18 (0 ACC Coastal)
-UVA: 23 - 28 (0 ACC Coastal)
-VT: 40 - 26 (1 ACC Coastal)

NFL Draft Picks (2012 - 2016)
*This highlights who played on the team during the 2011 - 2015 season:
-Miami: 20 (3 - 1st rounders)
-Duke: 4 (1 - 1st rounder)
-GT: 9 (0 - 1st rounder)
-UNC: 12 (4 - 1st rounders)
-Pitt: 5 (1 - 1st rounder)
-UVA: 8 (0 - 1st rounder)
-VT: 12 (2 - 1st rounders)

“MARK RICHT YEARS” (2016 - 2018)
Avg. Recruiting Classes -
-Miami: #14 (34 blue chips: 1 - 5* / 33 - 4*)
-Duke: #48 (6 blue chips: 6 - 4*)
-GT: #51 (3 blue chips: 3 - 4*)
-UNC: #27 (10 blue chips: 10 - 4*)
-Pitt: #33 (8 blue chips: 8 - 4*)
-UVA: #60 (0 blue chips)
-VT: #35 (13 blue chips: 13 - 4*)

Results?
-Miami: 26 - 13 (1 ACC Coastal)
-Duke: 19 - 19 (0 ACC Coastal)
-GT: 21 - 16 (0 ACC Coastal)
-UNC: 13 - 23 (0 ACC Coastal)
-Pitt: 20 - 19 (1 ACC Coastal)
-UVA: 15 - 22 (0 ACC Coastal)
-VT: 25 - 15 (1 ACC Coastal)

NFL Draft Picks (2017 - 2019)
*This highlights who played on the team from 2016 - 2018:
-Miami: 20 (1 - 1st rounder)
-Duke: 1 (1 - 1st rounder)
-GT: 1 (0 - 1st rounders)
-UNC: 10 (1 - 1st rounder)
-Pitt: 9 (0 - 1st rounders)
-UVA: 4 (0 - 1st rounders)
-VT: 9 (2 - 1st rounders)

“DIAZ YEARS” (2019 - Present)
Avg. Recruiting Classes** -
-Miami: #18 (38 blue chips: 2 - 5*/ 36 - 4*)
-Duke: #56 (1 blue chip: 1 - 4*)
-GT: #42 (10 blue chips: 10 - 4*)
-UNC: #19 (29 blue chips: 2 - 5*/ 27 - 4*)
-Pitt: #43 (5 blue chips: 5 - 4*)
-UVA: #40 (6 blue chips: 6 - 4*)
-VT: #49 (11 blue chips: 11 - 4*)
**These rankings/blue chips for ALL TEAMS also include the transfer portal’s re-rankings (Ex. J Phillips was a 5* in HS, but became a 4* transfer or D King was a 3* in HS, but became a 4* transfer)

Results? (Including 1st game of ‘21 season)
Miami: 14 - 11 (0 ACC Coastals)
Duke: 7 - 17 (0 ACC Coastals)
GT: 13 - 23 (0 ACC Coastals)
UNC: 15 - 11 (0 ACC Coastals)
Pitt: 14 - 10 (0 ACC Coastals)
UVA: 15 - 10 (1 ACC Coastal)
VT: 14 - 11 (0 ACC Coastals)

NFL Draft Picks (2020 - 2021)
*This highlights who played on the team from 2019 - 2020:
-Miami: 8 (2 - 1st rounders)
-Duke: 4 (0 - 1st rounders)
-GT: 3 (0 - 1st rounders)
-UNC: 7 (0 - 1st rounders)
-Pitt: 7 (0 - 1st rounders)
-UVA: 2 (0 - 1st rounders)
-VT: 6 (2 - 1st rounders)

In summary:
Since 2004, over 5 coaching regimes:
-Miami has signed an avg class ranked 14th (The next closest during this span is UNC at 26th)

-Miami has signed a total of 198 blue chip players including 16 - 5* (The next closest: UNC at 98 blue chips & 5 - 5*)

-Miami has had a total of 83 draft picks w/ 12 - 1st rounders (The next closest: VT w/ 59 draft picks & UNC w/ 8 - 1st rounders)

-Yet, here are the results despite such a huge discrepancy:
From 2004 - present:
-One 10+ win season (2017)
**Even GT has two 10+ win seasons despite recruiting atrociously (2009, 2014)

-A 78 - 59 record in the ACC (.570 win %)
**Even GT is 78 - 59, but have more accomplishments

-One Coastal Title
**Even GT, UVA, Pitt, & Duke have at least 1 ACC Coastal during this period, despite our massive talent advantage.

So if u wanna bicker about not having talent have been our problem, well 247 &/or The NFL draft over a course of 17 yrs vehemently disagrees. We don’t have Bama or the now known elite football powers type of talent, but we are absolutely murdering EVERY single team in the Coastal from a talent standpoint. It’s no wonder that our best 3 yr window came under a soon to be CFB Hall of Fame coach in Richt. That should tell u right there that our problem is not talent, but coaching.
Great work bro. And im telling the people talking bout we don't have talent. We have talent to win the Coastal every year, when you do that you get talent to challenge Clemson, you challenge Clemson you get talent to challenge Bama, UGA and taint. They think we can get Bama talent without being better on the field. Miami because of our location is an automatic top 15, top 13 class. You need progress on the field to get top 10, top 7.
 

supacane

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I wasn't interested in working today so I did some data collection/analysis of rosters. It isn't weighted by the starters or two-deep to determine the actual impact of the talent on the performance on the field. For example, Miami has a good number of younger 4-5* kids that aren't on the two-deep.

Conclusions:
LSU will likely fire their coach.
Clemson isn't as far away as people have made them out to be.
SEC has 50% of the 5* kids in the country.
If we drop a game before the ACCCG, it will be to a lesser talent (potentially more experienced) team

Bama - 61 4* kids, 14 5* kids = 75
OSU - 51 4* kids 16 5* kids = 67
UGA - 46 4* kids, 19 5* kids = 65
OU - 46 4* kids, 7 5* kids = 53
Clemson- 41 4* kids, 10 5* kids = 51

MIAMI - 43 4* kids, 2 5* kids (both true freshmen) = 45

FSU - 30 4* kids
UNC - 27 4* kids, 2 5* kids (sophomore/freshman) = 29 4-5*
NCSt- 15 4* kids
GT - 15 4* kids
VT - 14 4* kids
Pitt - 12 4* kids
Mich State- 11 4* kids
UVA - 5 4* kids
Duke - 1 4* kid
App State - 1 4* kid (So WR)

Some other ranked teams:
Florida = 51 4*, 6 5* kids = 57
Texas 47 4*, 5 5* kids - 52
LSU - 43 4* kids, 6 5* kids = 49
aTm - 43 4* kids, 5 5* kids = 48
Oregon - 44 4* kids, 4 5* kids = 48
USC - 44 4* kids, 2 5* kids 46
Notre Dame- 44 4* kids, 1 5* kid = 45
Penn State - 42 4*, 1- 5* kid = 43
UCLA - 21 4* kids
Iowa - 10 4* kids
Cinni- 7 4* kids
Iowa State - 4 4* kids
So look at the discrepancy between Oregon and Taint. And realize they just went into the horseshoe and beat them. Then bang your head against the wall when they tell us UNC blowing us out at home is explainable. And us being out of games 12 mins in is all fine and dandy and Diaz stat padding shows improvement.
 
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