Coaching search update

[Ibis Wingz]

Make Miami Macho Again!

Glad to see someone finally picking up on my Make Miami Macho Again! campaign. I thought that thing was dead in the water a few weeks ago when no one jumped on board.

We know that he knows what a Miami style defense looks like. We know that he's got Miami connections. He's got a cool beard. He's young.

I just wonder if we're setting our hopes too high with these calls for Chip Kelly and Chuck Pagano and Macho. Do we think the job is more appealing than it really is?

Nevertheless, I say Make Miami Macho Again! Get Beardy Ryan in here NOW!!!

He has done more with less than any coach in history. Need recommendations? Just talk to his former players.

Make Miami Macho Again!

I don't need recommendations. I saw the three "thanks, coach!" texts. I also saw the photograph of that stat sheet.

Show me a candidate who makes more sense than Beardy Ryan.

Make Miami Macho Again!

 

[FullyERicht]

I see that Belloti built that program for Chip to have the success he had. Strong had to build up Louisville from scratch and has to do the same at Texas.... completely different circumstances.

And plz don't say anything about Texas having 8 wins when Mack was fired. It was clear to everyone that Texas was no longer a program that can compete in their own division let along nationally, which is why he was fired.

You need to read more thoroughly.

Oregon was averaging 8.3 wins per season under Bellotti. That jumped to 11.5 wins under Kelly. This is a DRAMATIC increase and the results are obvious.
Kelly brought Oregon to another level, something Bellotti could never scratch.

Of course don't say that (about Mack Brown) because he was easily exceeding Strong's win total by a lot. Mack's winning percentage in his final 2 seasons (.653%) and Strong's winning percentage in his first 21 games (.429%). Mack was fired because he didn't have success anymore at UT. Strong is currently doing worse, by a lot.

Strong is cleaning up the mess Mack left him, the reason why Texas is where it's at now is bc that's the direction that team was already headed before Strong got there.

Substitute "Shannon" for "Mack" and that describes our defense of Golden the first two years. Turns out he's just a terrible coach. Strong is a huge risk, which we can't afford.

Substitute Mack for Coker, and its the same excuse for Shannon in his first two years.

 

[DiegoCane]

Your suggestion is to pair a first time OC with a defensive minded coach? How does this help us on offense?

Dorsey is a rising star. Cam Newton is the talk of the NFL and he is playing smart. Offensive coordinator at a big school is the logical next step for him. The fit with Kaaya is obvious.

Kapernick has a better qb rating than Cam. If I'm not mistaken, Cam is having his worst year and is only completing 54% of his passes.

Using Cam to support Dorsey is a very poor argument.

Cam is currently the league MVP if the season ended today. His top receivers are...and no I'm not making this up...Greg Olsen, Ted Ginn, Devin Funchess. In that order. His running backs are Jonathan Stewart's corpse and Mike Tolbert. Carolina's record is 7-0.

NFL MVP? Are you guys high?

Brady has 20 TDs and 1 INT, Cam has 11 TDs 8 INTs

 

[sml]

What if Butch is hired and and he brings on Ken Dorsey as a co-offensive coordinator/QB coach, and bring back Jedd Fisch as co-offensive coordinator/Asst. Head Coach?

 

[Ohio_Cane]

Spoke to someone with direct link to decisionmakers. Butch has strong support with key members of Board. There are still some people against him, but the tide is turning. I become more optimistic by the day.

Money will not be an issue. The school knows how important this decision is. I expect Blake to be given the opportunity to conduct a true search and come up with the best candidate. This will not be a lazy process.

It's extremely early, but the two names with momentum are Butch Davis and Charlie Strong. And the obvious choice for offensive coordinator (in my opinion- not info) would be Ken Dorsey, QB coach for MVP candidate Cam Newton.

I'm glad to see what I was told yesterday is what you were told as well. I'll just assume they're different people.

Not to promote Vermin, because I despise his tactics, but a guy I know within UM (not a decision maker), says that Butch is leading right now. "Some of the people who weren't too fond of him have let bygones be bygones and want UM back to dominance". <--- His words.

I'm no insider, and he's not in a power position, but does mingle with ones that are, so TIFWIW

 

[DiegoCane]

Lmfao @ wanting a coRch who's team got shut out by Iowa fuhking st.

"The cupboard is bare at Texas! Strong has to fix Brown's mess!"

"Strong just is a poor fit at Texas"

"Strong has mystic recruiting powers tho"

Did I miss any?

Texas athletes are overrated. Forget that lesser programs like TCU and Baylor are killing it.

 

[DiegoCane]

Another point on Strong.

He went through a full offseason with his OC and then replaced him after 1 game. That is a high level of ineptitude.

And that isn't the only time he hasn't handled his OCs well. Check Sanford and Watson (who he demoted at UT) during his time at UL.

 

[jkaz1]

I think Dorsey has a bright career in coaching....it would certainly be nice if some of those years were spent at Miami - and I think it'll happen and possibly quite soon....

Excellent news about Butch.....And the more I think about it, the more I think that Dorsey will be the OC....he's viciously competitive and needs to be on staff - and hopefully he can push Butch to be a bit more aggressive on offense....good luck with a DC trying to out-think Dorsey...

It'd be nice to see Reed on the staff in some capacity....He and Dorsey ran both sides of the ball - it'd be great to have those two back in particular....

Spoke to someone with direct link to decisionmakers. Butch has strong support with key members of Board. There are still some people against him, but the tide is turning. I become more optimistic by the day.

Money will not be an issue. The school knows how important this decision is. I expect Blake to be given the opportunity to conduct a true search and come up with the best candidate. This will not be a lazy process.

It's extremely early, but the two names with momentum are Butch Davis and Charlie Strong. And the obvious choice for offensive coordinator (in my opinion- not info) would be Ken Dorsey, QB coach for MVP candidate Cam Newton.

i wouldnt be surprised if dorsey was QB/Associate HC and groomed to succeed butch.

 

[Tee_louwee_91]

Wouldn't mind any one of them at this point. Both would instantly be better than Golden. The part that is interesting to me is that the fans want Butch while the recruits are more familiar with Strong as he has been in the news and actually recruited down here. I would lean slightly toward Strong but I think both would kill it down here. Especially since they both would be inheriting a pretty good QB.

Do you want Rich Rod?

No I'm not a fan of gimmicky offenses. I think Strong or Butch would be perfect fits.

 

[01Canes]

Any talk about Cam being in the MVP running is based solely on Carolina's current 7-0 record. He has nothing to work with aside from Olsen and a really solid OL, but he's 28th in passing yards per game while completing just 54% of his passes with an 11:8 TD-INT ratio.

Luke Kuechly and Josh Norman are just as valuable to that team with the way it's currently constructed.

 

[cowboycane]

Your suggestion is to pair a first time OC with a defensive minded coach? How does this help us on offense?

Dorsey is a rising star. Cam Newton is the talk of the NFL and he is playing smart. Offensive coordinator at a big school is the logical next step for him. The fit with Kaaya is obvious.

Kapernick has a better qb rating than Cam. If I'm not mistaken, Cam is having his worst year and is only completing 54% of his passes.

Using Cam to support Dorsey is a very poor argument.

Cam is currently the league MVP if the season ended today. His top receivers are...and no I'm not making this up...Greg Olsen, Ted Ginn, Devin Funchess. In that order. His running backs are Jonathan Stewart's corpse and Mike Tolbert. Carolina's record is 7-0.

NFL MVP? Are you guys high?

Brady has 20 TDs and 1 INT, Cam has 11 TDs 8 INTs

Look I'm not saying anything about Cam being a better player than Brady. But take Cam off the Panthers and replace him with Garropolo or something, and they are 1-6 or something. Take Brady off the Pats and...well we saw that one year. They went 11-5 with Cassel, a tight end turned QB. Just sayin'.

 

[FullyERicht]

Wouldn't mind any one of them at this point. Both would instantly be better than Golden. The part that is interesting to me is that the fans want Butch while the recruits are more familiar with Strong as he has been in the news and actually recruited down here. I would lean slightly toward Strong but I think both would kill it down here. Especially since they both would be inheriting a pretty good QB.

Do you want Rich Rod?

No I'm not a fan of gimmicky offenses. I think Strong or Butch would be perfect fits.

And yet Strong and Rich Rod had nearly identical career paths. Hmmm I wonder why you like Charlie so much.....

 

[Hurracanes]

Same here!

DMoney, what are your thoughts on Skrong? It seems to me that he benefited from having Bridgewater bail him out as a coach. I'm not so sure he's good HC material. Seems to be a better DC than HC.

I've discussed this in other poss, but I think he'd kill it here. He is an elite evaluator of talent (like Butch) who put 14 guys in the pros the last two years at Louisville. Most of those guys were three stars or worse. Recruiting ability may be overrated for a head coach, but the ability to evaluate is just as important as Xs and Os.

He already knows the area and does not need to start fresh in terms of relationships. He built elite defenses at South Carolina, Florida and Louisville, so I believe he can do the same here with our talented roster. He would inherit a Bridgewater-type quarterback in Kaaya. The Iowa State loss is concerning, but Butch had plenty of bad losses here (including a meltdown against East Carolina in Year 5 with a loaded roster).

He is my third choice behind Butch and Herman.

That's pretty much exactly where I am:

1) Herman
2) Butch
3) Strong

I agree, I can live with Strong; however, I prefer Herman or Butch. I still believe Strong has a better chance than Butch of getting hired.

 

[DiegoCane]

Dorsey is a rising star. Cam Newton is the talk of the NFL and he is playing smart. Offensive coordinator at a big school is the logical next step for him. The fit with Kaaya is obvious.

Kapernick has a better qb rating than Cam. If I'm not mistaken, Cam is having his worst year and is only completing 54% of his passes.

Using Cam to support Dorsey is a very poor argument.

Cam is currently the league MVP if the season ended today. His top receivers are...and no I'm not making this up...Greg Olsen, Ted Ginn, Devin Funchess. In that order. His running backs are Jonathan Stewart's corpse and Mike Tolbert. Carolina's record is 7-0.

NFL MVP? Are you guys high?

Brady has 20 TDs and 1 INT, Cam has 11 TDs 8 INTs

Look I'm not saying anything about Cam being a better player than Brady. But take Cam off the Panthers and replace him with Garropolo or something, and they are 1-6 or something. Take Brady off the Pats and...well we saw that one year. They went 11-5 with Cassel, a tight end turned QB. Just sayin'.

I don't agree with that but that is fine.

I'm saying in no way, shape or form would Cam be the MVP on the league right now.

 

[NosniknoT]

Does strong have a buyout in his contract or are they hoping Texas and strong part ways? Wouldn't think miami would pay a huge buyout to get a coach

 

[nope44]

Dorsey is a rising star. Cam Newton is the talk of the NFL and he is playing smart. Offensive coordinator at a big school is the logical next step for him. The fit with Kaaya is obvious.

Kapernick has a better qb rating than Cam. If I'm not mistaken, Cam is having his worst year and is only completing 54% of his passes.

Using Cam to support Dorsey is a very poor argument.

Cam is currently the league MVP if the season ended today. His top receivers are...and no I'm not making this up...Greg Olsen, Ted Ginn, Devin Funchess. In that order. His running backs are Jonathan Stewart's corpse and Mike Tolbert. Carolina's record is 7-0.

NFL MVP? Are you guys high?

Brady has 20 TDs and 1 INT, Cam has 11 TDs 8 INTs

Look I'm not saying anything about Cam being a better player than Brady. But take Cam off the Panthers and replace him with Garropolo or something, and they are 1-6 or something. Take Brady off the Pats and...well we saw that one year. They went 11-5 with Cassel, a tight end turned QB. Just sayin'.

The Panthers can easily find someone else to complete 54% of his passes and is on pace to have his worst year in 5 years.

 

[D_G87]

Ok 1st, Strong inherited a Mack Brown program that was faltering very fast. He's been there 1 1/2 years and you people are already saying that he has failed. I'm not saying he's my #1 option to come here, but lets be real about Texas right now. Their roster is very average and he's only had 1 recruiting class. It's very hard to change a culture in 1 1/2 years. I know some coaches have done it (Harbaugh, Urban, etc.) but those are the elite of elite. Some places just aren't good fits for some coaches. Texas isn't the place for Charlie Strong, but to say he's not a good coach is laughable.


2nd, Ken Dorsey is not going to come here and do a lateral move to be a QB coach. He's been with Cam for 3 years and has seen major progression from him each year. His starting WR's are Ted Ginn Jr and Philly Brown. He will be not be leaving Carolina unless its for a OC position. Do I think he's ready for that? I'm not sure, but he's not coming here to be a QB coach.

1. Butch
2. Herman
3. The rest

 

[Tee_louwee_91]

Wouldn't mind any one of them at this point. Both would instantly be better than Golden. The part that is interesting to me is that the fans want Butch while the recruits are more familiar with Strong as he has been in the news and actually recruited down here. I would lean slightly toward Strong but I think both would kill it down here. Especially since they both would be inheriting a pretty good QB.

Do you want Rich Rod?

No I'm not a fan of gimmicky offenses. I think Strong or Butch would be perfect fits.

And yet Strong and Rich Rod had nearly identical career paths. Hmmm I wonder why you like Charlie so much.....

A big fan of what he accomplished at Louisville. Went to our bowl game when we played them and watched his team dismantle us. Also liked how physical his team was. He has a defensive pedigree which is what this team needs. He would be inheriting a good QB in Kaaya like he did with Teddy. Like how he recruited Florida especially the Dade, Broward, Palm Beach areas. I think South Florida kids would want to play for him.

 

[Fightinibis]

Kapernick has a better qb rating than Cam. If I'm not mistaken, Cam is having his worst year and is only completing 54% of his passes.

Using Cam to support Dorsey is a very poor argument.

Have you watched Cam? He's an MVP candidate.

His numbers are low because he is surrounded by bums. Ted Ginn dropping a perfect pass last night sums up what he's dealing with. And his biggest improvement has been decision-making, which speaks well of Dorsey.

Except Olsen OF COURSE, though it might be hard to make that case last night.

 

[01Canes]

Wouldn't mind any one of them at this point. Both would instantly be better than Golden. The part that is interesting to me is that the fans want Butch while the recruits are more familiar with Strong as he has been in the news and actually recruited down here. I would lean slightly toward Strong but I think both would kill it down here. Especially since they both would be inheriting a pretty good QB.

Do you want Rich Rod?

No I'm not a fan of gimmicky offenses. I think Strong or Butch would be perfect fits.

And yet Strong and Rich Rod had nearly identical career paths. Hmmm I wonder why you like Charlie so much.....

A big fan of what he accomplished at Louisville. Went to our bowl game when we played them and watched his team dismantle us. Also liked how physical his team was. He has a defensive pedigree which is what this team needs. He would be inheriting a good QB in Kaaya like he did with Teddy. Like how he recruited Florida especially the Dade, Broward, Palm Beach areas. I think South Florida kids would want to play for him.

Like I said, many Strong supporters are placing way too much emphasis on having watched his Louisville squad thrash an Al Golden-coached Miami team twice.

He has a defensive pedigree, but Texas' defense is currently ranked 104th. Their offense, which is the most glaring concern with Strong, is somehow even worse at 117th.

Oh, and South Florida recruits want to play for championship contenders. That's why we've seen so much premier talent continue bolting to the SEC, Ohio State, and FSU during Golden's tenure. It's about winning, not relationships.