Coaching search update

[Cribby]

Your suggestion is to pair a first time OC with a defensive minded coach? How does this help us on offense?

Dorsey is a rising star. Cam Newton is the talk of the NFL and he is playing smart. Offensive coordinator at a big school is the logical next step for him. The fit with Kaaya is obvious.

Kapernick has a better qb rating than Cam. If I'm not mistaken, Cam is having his worst year and is only completing 54% of his passes.

Using Cam to support Dorsey is a very poor argument.

Cam is currently the league MVP if the season ended today. His top receivers are...and no I'm not making this up...Greg Olsen, Ted Ginn, Devin Funchess. In that order. His running backs are Jonathan Stewart's corpse and Mike Tolbert. Carolina's record is 7-0.

His stats are his awful. The defense is the MVP

 

[Genghis Cane]

Not a a huge fan of Strong.... because so far his track record at Texas has been worrisome to say the least. Could he be a good coach? Absolutely, but we can't afford to take another risk.

Butch Davis would be a home run hire....the guy already knows what to do and has been dreaming of redemption ever since he left for Cleveland. He is a hungry motherfvvcker and will do whatever it takes to win a championship. He's one of the best talent evaluators/developers in the game, and would kill recruiting down here.

Think about it, he invites countless recruits for an official visit and says "I built the greatest roster in college football history"...then pops in "THE U Part 2" and leaves the room. Kids would be banging on his door asking where to sign...

Lastly, it's great that The U is finally willing to pay money to bring in a good coach, but you guys got to realize....Even if Strong takes a pay cut, he is pretty much going to demand the full amount we can afford to pay (maybe 4 million?); meanwhile we could hire Butch for 2.5 because he already wants to come here and money is not an option. Then we take the rest of that money and build an absolute elite/dominant assistant coaching staff.

Moral of the story is... if we get Butch cheap, we have a ton of money left over to lure elite coordinators, which might not be the case with Strong.

 

[Noliaboi]

Dorsey can't be worse than Coley at playing calling.

Why can't he? Pat Nix was!

 

[FullyERicht]

I would take either one. I don't understand the hate for Strong. He's having a tough time in texas, but he just may not be a good fit there. Kinda like rich rod at michigan. We will know how serious they are (and how much money they are willing to spend) if Richt gets fired at Georgia.

So you are saying you want Rich Rod? B/C if not, then you are simply racist.

 

[McGahee2TheHouse]

I see that Belloti built that program for Chip to have the success he had. Strong had to build up Louisville from scratch and has to do the same at Texas.... completely different circumstances.

And plz don't say anything about Texas having 8 wins when Mack was fired. It was clear to everyone that Texas was no longer a program that can compete in their own division let along nationally, which is why he was fired.

You need to read more thoroughly.

Oregon was averaging 8.3 wins per season under Bellotti. That jumped to 11.5 wins under Kelly. This is a DRAMATIC increase and the results are obvious.
Kelly brought Oregon to another level, something Bellotti could never scratch.

Of course don't say that (about Mack Brown) because he was easily exceeding Strong's win total by a lot. Mack's winning percentage in his final 2 seasons (.653%) and Strong's winning percentage in his first 21 games (.429%). Mack was fired because he didn't have success anymore at UT. Strong is currently doing worse, by a lot.

Strong is cleaning up the mess Mack left him, the reason why Texas is where it's at now is bc that's the direction that team was already headed before Strong got there.

LOL.

You were probably one of those dopes who swore Shannon had to clean up Coker's mess and then swore Golden had to clean up Shannon's mess, only to turn around and say **** them both.

The "mess" at Texas is still superior to anyone Iowa State trots out on the field.

 

[The Franchise]

Make Miami Macho Again!

Glad to see someone finally picking up on my Make Miami Macho Again! campaign. I thought that thing was dead in the water a few weeks ago when no one jumped on board.

We know that he knows what a Miami style defense looks like. We know that he's got Miami connections. He's got a cool beard. He's young.

I just wonder if we're setting our hopes too high with these calls for Chip Kelly and Chuck Pagano and Macho. Do we think the job is more appealing than it really is?

Nevertheless, I say Make Miami Macho Again! Get Beardy Ryan in here NOW!!!

He has done more with less than any coach in history. Need recommendations? Just talk to his former players.

Make Miami Macho Again!

I don't need recommendations. I saw the three "thanks, coach!" texts. I also saw the photograph of that stat sheet.

 

[Tee_louwee_91]

Wouldn't mind any one of them at this point. Both would instantly be better than Golden. The part that is interesting to me is that the fans want Butch while the recruits are more familiar with Strong as he has been in the news and actually recruited down here. I would lean slightly toward Strong but I think both would kill it down here. Especially since they both would be inheriting a pretty good QB.

 

[FullyERicht]

Wouldn't mind any one of them at this point. Both would instantly be better than Golden. The part that is interesting to me is that the fans want Butch while the recruits are more familiar with Strong as he has been in the news and actually recruited down here. I would lean slightly toward Strong but I think both would kill it down here. Especially since they both would be inheriting a pretty good QB.

Do you want Rich Rod?

 

[McGahee2TheHouse]

Wouldn't mind any one of them at this point. Both would instantly be better than Golden. The part that is interesting to me is that the fans want Butch while the recruits are more familiar with Strong as he has been in the news and actually recruited down here. I would lean slightly toward Strong but I think both would kill it down here. Especially since they both would be inheriting a pretty good QB.

Another dope, but this time with the equally dopey "Anyone but Golden/Shannon/Coker" argument

 

[maurice3p]

DMoney, what are your thoughts on Blake James managing what is arguably the biggest hire in the football program history? Are you confident that he is competent enough to make the right choice?

Thanks for the update.

No idea. I've never worked with Blake and don't know him. But his career rides on this hire, so I expect an exhaustive search.

I doubt the search is up to Blake James. Firing Al Golden wasn't up to him. The Board did it. Former players & coaches will have input.

 

[DiegoCane]

If Strong's receiving stronger consideration from our admin than Tom Herman, then...well, f***

Yep.

We just fired an extremely conservative "defensive" coach and are going to hire another one in Strong. His defenses will probably be better but he will waste our recruiting grounds on offense.

DO NOT WANT!!!!!!

 

[ScubaCane]

anyone saying Dorsey coming here as qb coach is crazy. No way he makes a lat move. Next step for him is an OC job.

Needs to prove himself at a smaller school before being given the reins at Miami

 

[Klamalama]

Let's address Ken Dorsey as OC because we're aware of Butch and Strong would repeat the last 10+ years at Miami.

Your suggestion is to pair a first time OC with a defensive minded coach? How does this help us on offense?[/QUOT

Dorsey will be a great OC one day, but I'm done with having coordinators learning on the job. If Dorsey wants to come back as QB coach, I'd be all for that...or even as co-OC with someone more experienced.

I don't get the "Learn on the job" thing with Dorsey. Most people would take Fisch back and he sucked ***. I mean Dorsey is way more qualified and has coached to a better track record of success than Fisch, but you'd take that loser back? I don't get it.

Has anyone on this board actually seen Dorsey coach in person? Sat in a meeting with him? See how he coaches and tutors on the field and how he teaches his QB to attack certain defenses? I have. He is VERY IMPRESSIVE! There is a reason why Cam Newton is as successful as he is when most poeple thought he wouldn't make it in the NFL. Ken Dorsey is the reason. Fisch was an OC at Minn for one year under Brewster (DUMPSTER FIRE) then QB coach for one year at Seattle before he was our OC. That is learning on the job and that's why he sucked. Dorsey is ready and will be a STEAL if we can get him on staff. Here's the thing....i bet Cam would lobby, beg, pleaad, and do anything he can to keep Dorsey. he is that impressive as a coach. Most of you on this board can't see the **** forrest through the trees

5 years under Butch. Then a likely sequel.

 

[The Dude]

Randy Shannon ran elite defenses as a coordinator as well. Charlie Strong is a terrrrrrible choice.

Shannon did it at one place. Strong did it at three places. And Strong has had success as a head coach, whereas Shannon had no head coaching experience.

There is only one reason people would compare Strong to Shannon and we all know what it is.

Both their nicknames were Onion in college?

 

[timepiece]

Lmfao @ wanting a coRch who's team got shut out by Iowa fuhking st.

 

[McGahee2TheHouse]

Lmfao @ wanting a coRch who's team got shut out by Iowa fuhking st.

"The cupboard is bare at Texas! Strong has to fix Brown's mess!"

"Strong just is a poor fit at Texas"

"Strong has mystic recruiting powers tho"

Did I miss any?

 

[DiegoCane]

Randy Shannon ran elite defenses as a coordinator as well. Charlie Strong is a terrrrrrible choice.

Shannon did it at one place. Strong did it at three places. And Strong has had success as a head coach, whereas Shannon had no head coaching experience.

There is only one reason people would compare Strong to Shannon and we all know what it is.

He had success at a low level program in a joke conference with zero pressure.

Clearly, he CANNOT cut it at a major program.

If Charlie Strong was white, nobody would give him a single ounce of attention. He is a miserable HC. Lots of coaches look amazing playing in joke conferences with no pressure. Charlie is the black Rich Rod.

Only at Miami does a guy become a leading candidate after complete flaming out at another big job. Mack Brown's last 2 years are putting this guy to shame.

Guess Brett Beliema should be a leading candidate. Charlie is the mediocre hire I expect us to make.

 

[FullyERicht]

Lmfao @ wanting a coRch who's team got shut out by Iowa fuhking st.

"But guys I'm black and know local coaches, and so does Strong, and so my own insecurities require me to want a coach who looks like me to make me feel better about myself"

 

[drifters1234]

I see that Belloti built that program for Chip to have the success he had. Strong had to build up Louisville from scratch and has to do the same at Texas.... completely different circumstances.

And plz don't say anything about Texas having 8 wins when Mack was fired. It was clear to everyone that Texas was no longer a program that can compete in their own division let along nationally, which is why he was fired.

You need to read more thoroughly.

Oregon was averaging 8.3 wins per season under Bellotti. That jumped to 11.5 wins under Kelly. This is a DRAMATIC increase and the results are obvious.
Kelly brought Oregon to another level, something Bellotti could never scratch.

Of course don't say that (about Mack Brown) because he was easily exceeding Strong's win total by a lot. Mack's winning percentage in his final 2 seasons (.653%) and Strong's winning percentage in his first 21 games (.429%). Mack was fired because he didn't have success anymore at UT. Strong is currently doing worse, by a lot.

Strong is cleaning up the mess Mack left him, the reason why Texas is where it's at now is bc that's the direction that team was already headed before Strong got there.

Substitute "Shannon" for "Mack" and that describes our defense of Golden the first two years. Turns out he's just a terrible coach. Strong is a huge risk, which we can't afford.

 

[dogcane]

Same here!

DMoney, what are your thoughts on Skrong? It seems to me that he benefited from having Bridgewater bail him out as a coach. I'm not so sure he's good HC material. Seems to be a better DC than HC.

I've discussed this in other poss, but I think he'd kill it here. He is an elite evaluator of talent (like Butch) who put 14 guys in the pros the last two years at Louisville. Most of those guys were three stars or worse. Recruiting ability may be overrated for a head coach, but the ability to evaluate is just as important as Xs and Os.

He already knows the area and does not need to start fresh in terms of relationships. He built elite defenses at South Carolina, Florida and Louisville, so I believe he can do the same here with our talented roster. He would inherit a Bridgewater-type quarterback in Kaaya. The Iowa State loss is concerning, but Butch had plenty of bad losses here (including a meltdown against East Carolina in Year 5 with a loaded roster).

He is my third choice behind Butch and Herman.

That's pretty much exactly where I am:

1) Herman
2) Butch
3) Strong