Coach Golden quotes from today

[canesthing3]

How can you guys be avid fans and at the same time want us to lose games? I swear I don't get it, I'm a fan of the University of Miami football, bottom line. No agenda, I just want our coaches and players to be successful. And when they are not, yea I'll ***** and hope for things to improve but I'm going to support Al Golden until he is no longer the coach here. I'm not going to hope we fail just so I can jump on here and say "Look I told you so", does that really provide you with satisfaction? Pathetic if so. As far as his quotes, what do you expect him to say? No seriously, please enlighten me to what you was hoping to hear?

 

[Consigliere]

Really? Because he didn't have anything else unusual on his plate these last few years, anything else to deal with that is normally out of the scope of a football coach? Nothing comes to mind at all? Geesh you two.

Also as kids mature, as his staff matures, he's able to delegate. That's business. I can't believe how some people think they can extrapolate a leaf into a tree here.

Over the last 2 years, which game was impacted by the cloud? Which game did the cloud run for 4 TDs? I didn't realize the cloud was the reason we allowed 90 points to Duke and VT. I didn't realize the cloud was the reason that we lost 4 of the last 6.

I think our fans are scared to have actual expectations for our coaching staff. I think our fans are simply content with the status quo.

If the same result happens in 2014, does that mean the cloud never existed? If we go 5-3 for the THIRD straight year in the ACC, what does that say? That the cloud was just a nice distraction that had no real impact.

Golden gave his staff 3 years, he gave Coach D 3 years, he gave Franklin 3 years and he gave Kehoe 3 years. What evidence demonstrates that the staff has matured?

Here is the best part. Over the last 3 years, our defense (during ACC play) has given up MORE POINTS then the year prior. As the staff is getting more mature, as the players are growing up, we're regressing on defense. Is this because of the cloud?

2013: 262 Points Allowed or 32.75 PPG

2012: 252 Points Allowed or 31.75 PPG

2011: 163 Points Allowed or 20.38 PPG

Don't be scared to have expectations for you coach. We used to have high expectations at this school. I guess the cloud came.

Here are my final thoughts. If Golden didn't understand that as HC he should have been more involved. If Golden didn't understand that the HC is in charge of EVERYTHING. What does that say about him? What did he think, he hires some assistants and coordinators and that is all that is necessary to be a good HC?

Golden can easily get us back too, all he has to do is actually improve.

1. Improve during the ACC Schedule (6-2, 7-1 or 8-0),

2. Win the Coastal, and

3. Win 10 games during the regular season

For the bonus round, he could beat FSU.

AND WE WAIT FOR A RESPONSE

 

[OBLIVION]

Really? Because he didn't have anything else unusual on his plate these last few years, anything else to deal with that is normally out of the scope of a football coach? Nothing comes to mind at all? Geesh you two.

Also as kids mature, as his staff matures, he's able to delegate. That's business. I can't believe how some people think they can extrapolate a leaf into a tree here.

Over the last 2 years, which game was impacted by the cloud? Which game did the cloud run for 4 TDs? I didn't realize the cloud was the reason we allowed 90 points to Duke and VT. I didn't realize the cloud was the reason that we lost 4 of the last 6.

I think our fans are scared to have actual expectations for our coaching staff. I think our fans are simply content with the status quo.

If the same result happens in 2014, does that mean the cloud never existed? If we go 5-3 for the THIRD straight year in the ACC, what does that say? That the cloud was just a nice distraction that had no real impact.

Golden gave his staff 3 years, he gave Coach D 3 years, he gave Franklin 3 years and he gave Kehoe 3 years. What evidence demonstrates that the staff has matured?

Here is the best part. Over the last 3 years, our defense (during ACC play) has given up MORE POINTS then the year prior. As the staff is getting more mature, as the players are growing up, we're regressing on defense. Is this because of the cloud?

2013: 262 Points Allowed or 32.75 PPG

2012: 252 Points Allowed or 31.75 PPG

2011: 163 Points Allowed or 20.38 PPG

Don't be scared to have expectations for you coach. We used to have high expectations at this school. I guess the cloud came.

Here are my final thoughts. If Golden didn't understand that as HC he should have been more involved. If Golden didn't understand that the HC is in charge of EVERYTHING. What does that say about him? What did he think, he hires some assistants and coordinators and that is all that is necessary to be a good HC?

Golden can easily get us back too, all he has to do is actually improve.

1. Improve during the ACC Schedule (6-2, 7-1 or 8-0),

2. Win the Coastal, and

3. Win 10 games during the regular season

For the bonus round, he could beat FSU.

AND WE WAIT FOR A RESPONSE

Man the cloud is the one that tackled Duke and broke him. Also was the one that didn't give enough push to pick up that 4th and short vs FSU. It also caused Morris to throw picks to start the 2nd half.

 

[BWCD]

Here is the best part. Over the last 3 years, our defense (during ACC play) has given up MORE POINTS then the year prior. As the staff is getting more mature, as the players are growing up, we're regressing on defense. Is this because of the cloud?

2013: 262 Points Allowed or 32.75 PPG

2012: 252 Points Allowed or 31.75 PPG

2011: 163 Points Allowed or 20.38 PPG

I don't disagree with any of what you're saying, but I just want to offer up a possible alternative explanation for the rise of those numbers.

I have the suspicion that you can track at least, in part, the rise in PPG and points allowed from the start of Golden's tenure to now is the switch in schemes from 4-3 to 3-4 Multiple, and the turnover in personnel that is needed to run the 3-4 Multiple stuff that they want to run as opposed to the 4-3 stuff that we're all used to. I'm not saying it's right or wrong, just curious about if anyone thinks that's a factor, and if they do--how much do they weigh that when judging this D and the staff.

My thought is that if a team in the NFL goes from a 4-3 to a 3-4, they can go in free agency and the draft and find guys for the system a helluva lot quicker than a collegiate team can recruit for it. IF (read: IF, not when) this 3-4 works better this season, is it due to more talent, or just the right guys for the system? Or a combination of both?

 

[Consigliere]

I don't disagree with any of what you're saying, but I just want to offer up a possible alternative explanation for the rise of those numbers.

I have the suspicion that you can track at least, in part, the rise in PPG and points allowed from the start of Golden's tenure to now is the switch in schemes from 4-3 to 3-4 Multiple, and the turnover in personnel that is needed to run the 3-4 Multiple stuff that they want to run as opposed to the 4-3 stuff that we're all used to. I'm not saying it's right or wrong, just curious about if anyone thinks that's a factor, and if they do--how much do they weigh that when judging this D and the staff.

My thought is that if a team in the NFL goes from a 4-3 to a 3-4, they can go in free agency and the draft and find guys for the system a helluva lot quicker than a collegiate team can recruit for it. IF (read: IF, not when) this 3-4 works better this season, is it due to more talent, or just the right guys for the system? Or a combination of both?

It is hard to say for certain. The problem I have (about switching schemes) is why not just play the best scheme for the talent you have. If your personnel changes DRASTICALLY then change your scheme so we're putting our kids in the BEST position for success. It seems like we force a scheme rather then focus on what best fits our personnel. IMO, good coaches can adapt (QUICKLY) to a drastic change. We seem to not adapt.

I'm sure talent has something to do with those numbers as well. Obviously if you have better talent, the product will likely be better.

I'm not against the scheme in general either (3-4). Look at the niners. They have DEs and LBs covering WRs all the time out of a 3-4. They just have the proper personnel and staff to run it.

 

[CaneAlmighty]

This thread is awesome. Thanks DMoney.

 

[TomAce]

Golden on Petrino: "Bobby's got a great offensive mind." Says "controlling variables" will be hard since they won't know UofL's personnel.

And the excuses already begin....


After UL hangs 40 on us, F-A-G's press conference is gonna go "We really worked out butts off, but have to get better were just not there yet. UL came out in alot of different personnel we werent expecting"

"They were able to control and manipulate the variable to their advantage. I think Mark did a good job putting players in spots to...."

 

[Billy D Williams]

I'm like everybody else! Because of our offensive Defense I'll have concerns about the defense too. But I also believe we've improved the interior big time as well as the DL as a whole. I truly believe we will hold teams to under 22 points this season.

 

[brock]

#31,#30,#22,#59,#51 #78, #96 starting all of the games last year was the reason why the defense was so bad.... we HAD to play that bend dont break bullshi because of them.... Imo they shouldnt have been on the field... It will change this year and miami will have a top 40 defense. The defensive roster with them gone looks at least 3 times better. Stop b*tching and have some **** faith, you whine about recruits not wanting to come here but yet we have "fans" who claim to be miami hurricane fans who want to sh^t on the team everychance they get. Stfu and we got 41 more days left. Go out with your girl, do something instead of b*tching all the **** time. some of yall are so **** annoying. The defense at times last year was down right unacceptable at miami, the coaches know that it has to be fixed. they have no choice if they want their job. We went from shayon green to chad thomas, quan muhammad, mccord playing in that spot. Jimmy gaines to perryman playing that spot.... from Kacy rodgers and aj highsmith to jamal carter, bush, jenkings, and crawford starting in 14... Renfrow backup at virginia and porter to whyche, huertelu, moten, jenkins, moore.... from cornelious to grace and or kirby.....Yeah we will be better...

 

[JHallCanes]

Put me in the "we are **** until we prove we aren't **** anymore" crowd

 

[frostycane]

Put me in the "we are **** until we prove we aren't **** anymore" crowd

And honestly I have no problem with anyone being there. Now if you go the Farchie route or Rok, and go into every ******* thread and spew the same old tired *** rant about the defense for 6 ******* months! Then Yeah I think people have the right to tell you to shut the fVck up! That is the only problem I have with the so called 'mopes' they just post the same thing daily and if you dont agree then your sucking AG's ****. Best part is they run around threads liking each others posts. Guys we get it the defense has been putrid, we watched the games too. But just like the players we are trying to let it go a hope for better.

Is it not ok for guys to have optimism? Is it not ok for guys to possibly think these kids can improve? you know the same kids you think will be better as well? I think we can improve, I think Denzel can be even better than he was last year. I think that McCord and AQM can get even better than they were last year. I do think they can get stronger and it can actually help. I wont know until Labor day, but I am not going to sit here a ***** about the past just to hopefully come on here after the season and pound my chest and say "YESSSS we went 6-6 I am so ******* proud of myself for calling it!!!! Now where you golden slurpers at? Huh? I want my credit for calling the team I supposedly root for to fail!" Yay me!!!!!!

I'll be honest I wont be giving any major credit up until after the season either, because after the first few games last yr the D looked a bit better. But now I will be in wait and see mode. But I have hope it will happen. I do not believe for one second that we are that much smarter than the coaches and if we were, most of us would be coaching! But I have seen plenty of coaches continue to do what they do and get fired for it. Maybe it will happen, but if it means watching my canes lose I can tell you this, I sure as HE!! wont be rooting for it!

 

[crossover22[]_[]]

Notice the cloud is brought up more often by guys that hate golden bringing up the cloud.


Pretty ******* funny

 

[UMFarArcher]

Put me in the "we are **** until we prove we aren't **** anymore" crowd

And honestly I have no problem with anyone being there. Now if you go the Farchie route or Rok, and go into every ******* thread and spew the same old tired *** rant about the defense for 6 ******* months! Then Yeah I think people have the right to tell you to shut the fVck up! That is the only problem I have with the so called 'mopes' they just post the same thing daily and if you dont agree then your sucking AG's ****. Best part is they run around threads liking each others posts. Guys we get it the defense has been putrid, we watched the games too. But just like the players we are trying to let it go a hope for better.

Is it not ok for guys to have optimism? Is it not ok for guys to possibly think these kids can improve? you know the same kids you think will be better as well? I think we can improve, I think Denzel can be even better than he was last year. I think that McCord and AQM can get even better than they were last year. I do think they can get stronger and it can actually help. I wont know until Labor day, but I am not going to sit here a **** about the past just to hopefully come on here after the season and pound my chest and say "YESSSS we went 6-6 I am so ******* proud of myself for calling it!!!! Now where you golden slurpers at? Huh? I want my credit for calling the team I supposedly root for to fail!" Yay me!!!!!!

I'll be honest I wont be giving any major credit up until after the season either, because after the first few games last yr the D looked a bit better. But now I will be in wait and see mode. But I have hope it will happen. I do not believe for one second that we are that much smarter than the coaches and if we were, most of us would be coaching! But I have seen plenty of coaches continue to do what they do and get fired for it. Maybe it will happen, but if it means watching my canes lose I can tell you this, I sure as HE!! wont be rooting for it!

Oh yeah, I'll ride with you Toastycane.

Golden's got this. Now that he's hands on, our defense should rock. Denzel should be a wrecking ball - he has the maturity, the toughness, and he's got the form. I don't think McCord and AQM really got a chance to turn loose last year due to some unfortunate confusion, which I'm confident has been corrected. I agree that they are aggressive and quick, and they should meet the QB more times than we can count.

I agree completely that these damned "mopes" should be told to STFU. They're grating. And this team and these fans deserve more. Much more.

Win Coastal! Go Canes! FSU is going down! Top Ten Defense! Telling you, this is the season I'm looking forward to. I was really looking forward to last season too, but this year - so much more.

 

[hurricaneman73]

Your boost mobile data hasn't run out yet? Pretty sure "the people with no life plan" is out of your price range. Dude posts like every 30 seconds.

 

[HulkaCaniac]

Notice the cloud is brought up more often by guys that hate golden bringing up the cloud.


Pretty ******* funny

So what is it like skipping dinner with Al's baby batter coating your stomach lining?

 

[UMFarArcher]

Notice the cloud is brought up more often by guys that hate golden bringing up the cloud.


Pretty ****ing funny

So what is it like skipping dinner with Al's baby batter coating your stomach lining?

That may be part of hurricane73's problem, but I'd imagine having a sphincter wallowed out from frequent base activities has to likewise be a very uncomfortable condition. That means his fart/siht separator is on the blink. Causing frequent accidents.

 

[hurricaneman73]

Notice the cloud is brought up more often by guys that hate golden bringing up the cloud.


Pretty ****ing funny

So what is it like skipping dinner with Al's baby batter coating your stomach lining?

That may be part of hurricane73's problem, but I'd imagine having a sphincter wallowed out from frequent base activities has to likewise be a very uncomfortable condition. That means his fart/siht separator is on the blink. Causing frequent accidents.

Kid needs a forum intervention. I know you have no life and posting here makes you feel important. BUT just in like real life you suck at it. You should be used to sucking by now.Fill up that tip jar yet?

 

[BWCD]

I don't disagree with any of what you're saying, but I just want to offer up a possible alternative explanation for the rise of those numbers.

I have the suspicion that you can track at least, in part, the rise in PPG and points allowed from the start of Golden's tenure to now is the switch in schemes from 4-3 to 3-4 Multiple, and the turnover in personnel that is needed to run the 3-4 Multiple stuff that they want to run as opposed to the 4-3 stuff that we're all used to. I'm not saying it's right or wrong, just curious about if anyone thinks that's a factor, and if they do--how much do they weigh that when judging this D and the staff.

My thought is that if a team in the NFL goes from a 4-3 to a 3-4, they can go in free agency and the draft and find guys for the system a helluva lot quicker than a collegiate team can recruit for it. IF (read: IF, not when) this 3-4 works better this season, is it due to more talent, or just the right guys for the system? Or a combination of both?

It is hard to say for certain. The problem I have (about switching schemes) is why not just play the best scheme for the talent you have. If your personnel changes DRASTICALLY then change your scheme so we're putting our kids in the BEST position for success. It seems like we force a scheme rather then focus on what best fits our personnel. IMO, good coaches can adapt (QUICKLY) to a drastic change. We seem to not adapt.

I'm sure talent has something to do with those numbers as well. Obviously if you have better talent, the product will likely be better.

I'm not against the scheme in general either (3-4). Look at the niners. They have DEs and LBs covering WRs all the time out of a 3-4. They just have the proper personnel and staff to run it.

No problem with any of that. Good response. I'm a Niners fan and completely agree that if you've got the guys, it's not a bad scheme to run. Question is, is it a good scheme to implement in the collegiate ranks. That's entirely up for debate...as we're having trouble installing it, but Saban runs something similar with Kirby Smart at Bama, and has been dominant these past few years defensively (other than last year's debacle with OU in their bowl game).

The only thing I will say is that everywhere they've been, Golden/NoDFrio have run that 3-4 Multiple D. I think they feel that was a part of their success and why they made it from Temple to Miami, so they were going to implement that no matter what...regardless of what other scheme the personnel here was a fit for.

I think their focus is a hybrid of what you're saying: they tried to fit those square pegs into round holes the best they knew how with what they had these past few seasons (i.e.--they probably put Shayon Green in the best position to succeed within the scheme, he just wasn't talented enough/good enough fit to succeed). Now, it looks like they have the guys to fit the scheme, IMO, so we'll see if it gets any better.

If it doesn't, hand me a pitchfork and a torch along with everyone else.

 

[crossover22[]_[]]

Notice the cloud is brought up more often by guys that hate golden bringing up the cloud.


Pretty ******* funny

So what is it like skipping dinner with Al's baby batter coating your stomach lining?

Wow you got me good.

I'm a slurper for pointing out how pathetic you and your kind are for saying the same thing in every thread.

 

[Consigliere]

No problem with any of that. Good response. I'm a Niners fan and completely agree that if you've got the guys, it's not a bad scheme to run. Question is, is it a good scheme to implement in the collegiate ranks. That's entirely up for debate...as we're having trouble installing it, but Saban runs something similar with Kirby Smart at Bama, and has been dominant these past few years defensively (other than last year's debacle with OU in their bowl game).

The only thing I will say is that everywhere they've been, Golden/NoDFrio have run that 3-4 Multiple D. I think they feel that was a part of their success and why they made it from Temple to Miami, so they were going to implement that no matter what...regardless of what other scheme the personnel here was a fit for.

I think their focus is a hybrid of what you're saying: they tried to fit those square pegs into round holes the best they knew how with what they had these past few seasons (i.e.--they probably put Shayon Green in the best position to succeed within the scheme, he just wasn't talented enough/good enough fit to succeed). Now, it looks like they have the guys to fit the scheme, IMO, so we'll see if it gets any better.

If it doesn't, hand me a pitchfork and a torch along with everyone else.

I'm no football mad scientist like the rest of this board. I just analyze what I saw and I don't like it. (a) I see a team that has allowed more points during ACC play (each season). (b) I see a team that is not playing physically tough football. I think the reason we saw (a) and (b) is because of a combination of:

1. We're not putting our kids in the best position to succeed (Scheme, DC and HC). They forced a scheme or as you so eloquently put it they tried to fit those square pegs into round holes.

2. The coaches are not good at teaching technique and fundamentals (Jethro).

3. The talent is not that good (Rodgers, Highsmith, Green, Robinson, Cornelius etc.).

4. The kids were not mature enough or didn't understand the playbook (young kids, lack of focus etc.)

My problem is you can fix (3) and (4) with talent and development. That doesn't mean it will fix (1) and/or (2). We will see. I'm not asking for much from the defense either, just keep the other team under 22-23 points during ACC play.