Coach Felds Biggest Beneficiaries

I know nothing of the technicals of weight lifting outside of personal fitness.

Always appreciate the discourse with the lead-heads who live and breathe it!
Believe me I'm no guru by any means.. Just like to read up on things and have a better understanding... Me personally I don't use weight anymore due to back issues but I like bike riding, paddleboarding and stuff like that...
 
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Good thread topic OP.

Alot of posters will knock Feeley and of course the new shiny toy is always the better toy. But whatever Feeley lacked, he made sure we were in tip top condition at all times. I hope we keep that in this new Feld regime. Our guys never got tired even deep into the 4th quarter. That definitely won us some games in the last few years.

Chaney was a great one on your list. Its year 3 in the program and I feel like we are getting the shaft when it comes to seeing his real potential. Chaney was a 5* back out of HS. Ready for him to start showing it.

Roberts is a great one too.

I want to see what Feld can do with 5* level talent. Guys like LT and JW. I know Coach Macho always says your S&C program is only as good as the talent you send them. Him transforming LT and JW is a **** good initiation for Feld. You can throw Chase Smith in there too. Wasnt a 5* guy but he has a 5* level physique and raw ability.
 
With the recent evolution of the TE in the pros, the group as a whole could benefit considerably from a group specific regimen. Need both strength and relative speed.
 
It's not that they're not important.. I mean you want guys strong but in the context of how it's being explained is you have to offer more than just "the weight lifting aspect"... Lots of top notch S&C guys are more in line with what Feld is doing.... There's been articles on various sites that covered what Feeley does compared to more renowned guys and in reality Feeley is way behind the times.... Look I'm thankful for what he did in his time here but he needs to grow more as a S&C guy..
We talk about Mario wanting bigger and better so he made a good move in Feld... Is he the best? admittedly no but that's ok... He's still really good and will have us way better prepared physically and mentally...
Ligament strength is kinda big. Not only does help with injury prevention, it allows players to still be able to fully power muscles in more awkward positions.

I am high on contact balance and we lack that, so if that helps here, I am all for it.
 
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im excited to see what he does with TVD
we need him to get stronger so he can run more this year ala josh allen
 
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Wasn't a big fan of Feeley after reading various things about how he trains people.... I mean when we first got him I was happy but only because he was replacing Felder....
"The biggest takeaway from early returns concerning Coach Feld are his focuses on utilizing proper form and athletic training to prevent injury. Less squats and stagnant training, more ligament and support muscle training."
That statement right there means a lot.... Will we see a huge difference right off the bat?? Maybe not physically but mentally we will... The longer Feld is here then the physical will be right there as well..
What did you read about how Feeley trains people?

I wrote a profile about Coach Feld; in one of his interviews he talked about some things which let me know he has a strong understanding of periodization which I was very pleased about. I'm not sure what Feeley was doing differently, but this is the beginning of the off-season so yes, this would be the time to focus on technique, mobility, trunk activation, and injury prevention.
It's not that they're not important.. I mean you want guys strong but in the context of how it's being explained is you have to offer more than just "the weight lifting aspect"... Lots of top notch S&C guys are more in line with what Feld is doing.... There's been articles on various sites that covered what Feeley does compared to more renowned guys and in reality Feeley is way behind the times.... Look I'm thankful for what he did in his time here but he needs to grow more as a S&C guy..
We talk about Mario wanting bigger and better so he made a good move in Feld... Is he the best? admittedly no but that's ok... He's still really good and will have us way better prepared physically and mentally...
It's odd to me that you say Feeley is behind the times. Another user here pointed out that he was implementing Post-Activation Potentiation (PAP) training methods which was what my graduate work was in - that is very much in line with new research methods going on in S&C, so I'm not sure I can agree with that.
Cool thing about squats is there’s a lot of different types of squats that can be used for more explosive type moves. Football moves etc
Anyone who low bar squats with football players should be shown the door. High bar squatting is superior for athletes, low bar squatting is for fat powerlifters. Nobody @ me with anything from Mark Rippetoe.
Good thread topic OP.

Alot of posters will knock Feeley and of course the new shiny toy is always the better toy. But whatever Feeley lacked, he made sure we were in tip top condition at all times. I hope we keep that in this new Feld regime. Our guys never got tired even deep into the 4th quarter. That definitely won us some games in the last few years.
I 100% agree with this. I don't know the ins and outs of what Feeley was doing day to day, nor do I really care. What I do know is that S&C was the one bright spot under Manny Diaz's amateur hour - our players rarely looked gassed in the 4th. I think he did the best he could with what he had and while I'm excited for Feld as well, I think Feeley did well here and I wish him the best at Duke.
 
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What did you read about how Feeley trains people?

I wrote a profile about Coach Feld; in one of his interviews he talked about some things which let me know he has a strong understanding of periodization which I was very pleased about. I'm not sure what Feeley was doing differently, but this is the beginning of the off-season so yes, this would be the time to focus on technique, mobility, trunk activation, and injury prevention.

It's odd to me that you say Feeley is behind the times. Another user here pointed out that he was implementing Post-Activation Potentiation (PAP) training methods which was what my graduate work was in - that is very much in line with new research methods going on in S&C, so I'm not sure I can agree with that.

Anyone who low bar squats with football players should be shown the door. High bar squatting is superior for athletes, low bar squatting is for fat powerlifters. Nobody @ me with anything from Mark Rippetoe.

I 100% agree with this. I don't know the ins and outs of what Feeley was doing day to day, nor do I really care. What I do know is that S&C was the one bright spot under Manny Diaz's amateur hour - our players rarely looked gassed in the 4th. I think he did the best he could with what he had and while I'm excited for Feld as well, I think Feeley did well here and I wish him the best at Duke.
I didn’t say anything about low bar squats but alright

Saying something so spectacularly ignorant like “fat powerlifters” tells me all I need to know
 
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Good thread topic OP.

Alot of posters will knock Feeley and of course the new shiny toy is always the better toy. But whatever Feeley lacked, he made sure we were in tip top condition at all times. I hope we keep that in this new Feld regime. Our guys never got tired even deep into the 4th quarter. That definitely won us some games in the last few years.

Chaney was a great one on your list. Its year 3 in the program and I feel like we are getting the shaft when it comes to seeing his real potential. Chaney was a 5* back out of HS. Ready for him to start showing it.

Roberts is a great one too.

I want to see what Feld can do with 5* level talent. Guys like LT and JW. I know Coach Macho always says your S&C program is only as good as the talent you send them. Him transforming LT and JW is a **** good initiation for Feld. You can throw Chase Smith in there too. Wasnt a 5* guy but he has a 5* level physique and raw ability.
Agreed

I never got to see anything in person but in general I think he did a good job just from a results standpoint

People jump to the short yardage issues we had as some sort of bizarre overall indictment of our football team
 
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What did you read about how Feeley trains people?

I wrote a profile about Coach Feld; in one of his interviews he talked about some things which let me know he has a strong understanding of periodization which I was very pleased about. I'm not sure what Feeley was doing differently, but this is the beginning of the off-season so yes, this would be the time to focus on technique, mobility, trunk activation, and injury prevention.

It's odd to me that you say Feeley is behind the times. Another user here pointed out that he was implementing Post-Activation Potentiation (PAP) training methods which was what my graduate work was in - that is very much in line with new research methods going on in S&C, so I'm not sure I can agree with that.

Anyone who low bar squats with football players should be shown the door. High bar squatting is superior for athletes, low bar squatting is for fat powerlifters. Nobody @ me with anything from Mark Rippetoe.

I 100% agree with this. I don't know the ins and outs of what Feeley was doing day to day, nor do I really care. What I do know is that S&C was the one bright spot under Manny Diaz's amateur hour - our players rarely looked gassed in the 4th. I think he did the best he could with what he had and while I'm excited for Feld as well, I think Feeley did well here and I wish him the best at Duke.
Excellent post. Are you a fan of high bar for athletes because it translates better to the "athletic readiness" position of an outfielder or linebacker with hands on knees (I don't know the name of that stance)? Would love a little more explanation of high bar vs. low bar in that regard. Thanks.
 
Excellent post. Are you a fan of high bar for athletes because it translates better to the "athletic readiness" position of an outfielder or linebacker with hands on knees (I don't know the name of that stance)? Would love a little more explanation of high bar vs. low bar in that regard. Thanks.
How much time do you have? lol

There are literally PhD dissertations on this topic.

The issue isn't necessarily just high bar vs. low bar squatting, but more: what is optimal for recruiting high threshold motor units? Think about a motor unit as the motor neuron and all of the muscle fibers that the motor neuron innervates. When you recruit motor neurons, say, by lifting a grocery bag, there's a "tug of war" system where slow-twitch, fatigue-resistant muscles are recruited to lift that resistance directly in proportion to how much resistance there is. Once that resistance gets heavier and heavier, more and more motor neurons will be recruited to try and lift the bag. High threshold motor units recruit type II, "fast-twitch" muscle fibers which we know are responsible for speed, which is obviously what we want to recruit more of and more often to make our players faster.

The powerlifter / low bar squatter mindset is that all that matters for recruiting high threshold motor units is load. Lift the heaviest weight you can, which will recruit the most motor units, and will therefore make athletes stronger, which in turn makes them faster. ****, I've seen that same thing repeated here on this board.

The issue is that while it is true that high resistance / load recruits high threshold motor units, it's still suboptimal to specificity. A heavy low bar back squat is an incredibly inefficient, inapplicable movement in football. However, it's biomechanically advantageous to a high bar squat because it involves more hip flexion into extension, so you can lift more weight low bar squatting than you can high bar squatting.

But high bar squatting is the basis for athletic movement. No fast athlete is ever getting into a low bar squat position during an event, and if they are, they suck. The high bar back squat is also the biomechanical basis for the Olympic lifts, which we employ to recruit those same high threshold motor units in the hips, which again: make athletes faster.

In other words: if you want to train to lift the most amount of weight, low bar squat. If you want to train to actually be an athlete, high bar squat.

The only downside of high bar squatting is that because it emphasizes knee extension over hip extension, you can potentially get an imbalance where the quads become way stronger than the glutes / hamstrings, potentially leading to injury. So it's imperative that high bar athletes do a lot of hamstring work, particularly knee flexion hamstring work (leg curls, nordic hamstring curls, etc.) in order to maintain strong knee stability.
 
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