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Clemson vs Duke 9/4 8 pm

ddann said:
I’m afraid Garret Riley has hurt his own brand by signing on to run “the Clemson offense.”
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That was just an extremely strange ego driven response from Dabo. Like WTF is the “Clemson” offense? Sounds like a guy desperate to hold onto the past to me.
 
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I like the way Pate put that down.

I don't like what college football is becoming. It is what it is and you either adapt or you don't die, but you're doing yourself a disservice in that you aren't being the best you can.

He talked about principles. If that's what Dabo is going to hang his hat on, that's okay and somewhat admirable. It's being loyal to your dream, you recruit this kid and others like him, making them into the best players you can. The flipsode, if you add some missing pieces, then it makes them all better. The question is, who do you axe to do that? I don't know how you work that out if you go with the principled ideal that Pate put forth.

Dabo will make the best decision for him and I'm by no means writing him or Clemson off. I feel that would be premature. Time will tell, but it's certainly an interesting road and take.
 
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I don't know how much of Clemson's issues have to do with the portal. Ideally, you use the portal to supplement a couple units. It should not replace recruiting and developing talent. The thing is, watching that game Monday, I just didn't see some of the high level talent that I've seen at Clemson in the past. Guys like Etienne, Lawrence, Watson, Wayne Gallman, Ray Ray McCloud, Justyn Ross, Hunter Renfrow, Tee Higgins, etc. Not to mention all the stud DL they've had in the past, many of whom are in the NFL now. The team just doesn't have as much high level talent as before. If you can't recruit the studs and then you don't dip into the portal, that can pose a problem.

Separately, I watched that team and if you didn't know it was Clemson and ranked #9, I'd think it was a middling program. Didn't look the same to me. Let's whoop 'em.
 
AlexCane said:
I don't know how much of Clemson's issues have to do with the portal. Ideally, you use the portal to supplement a couple units. It should not replace recruiting and developing talent. The thing is, watching that game Monday, I just didn't see some of the high level talent that I've seen at Clemson in the past. Guys like Etienne, Lawrence, Watson, Wayne Gallman, Ray Ray McCloud, Justyn Ross, Hunter Renfrow, Tee Higgins, etc. Not to mention all the stud DL they've had in the past, many of whom are in the NFL now. The team just doesn't have as much high level talent as before. If you can't recruit the studs and then you don't dip into the portal, that can pose a problem.

Separately, I watched that team and if you didn't know it was Clemson and ranked #9, I'd think it was a middling program. Didn't look the same to me. Let's whoop 'em.
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those are special players. some generational guys. its very hard to sustain the success and not be Alabama. Clemson recruits well but they don't recruit at the level of Bama or now UGA year in and year out. it's not that complicated. dabo is a great football coach. yes he is stubborn but they all are. he will bring in some transfers next year, guaranteed.
 
Number1CanesFan said:
Nope. Clemson maybe wins without the turnovers, but you could also say Duke should have been up 21-0 at the half.

The announcers said it. "Clemson isn't faster than Duke." "Clemson WRs aren't separating."

Their defense is good, but their offense is not. They have an average at best OL. They don't recruit at an elite level for the OL as they do the DL. I attribute that to Venables and I expect Clemson to fall off in DL recruiting over the next few years.

They don't have elite WRs and they're struggling with the offensive scheme.

I expect they'll be a better team by the time we play them, but I have no fear of them. We should beat them based on what I saw last night. I'm not including the poor play. They are just not an elite team.

Dabo got lucky and struck gold with his original OC and DC hires that he had for many years. They had continuity and were able to establish the culture and scheme. Now, he's in the same boat as Mario not being an OC or DC. Completely reliant on finding good hires for both coordinator positions.
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No doubt, Clemson has slipped and is now beatable. But new OC and new QB in their first game showed. The OL was starting to take control and dook couldn't stop the running game, until the fumble.

Blocked fg, drops, fumbles was too much to overcome. Momentum was on dook's side. And Clemson's qb, who is a good runner, won't slide again.

But credit to dook, they played well and it was their night. But Clemson is the better team and they still have better talent, but the gap has shrunk for sure.
 
Gables Canes said:
Elko is now 10-4 at freakin DUKE, with big wins over Miami, Wake, UCF, and Clemson. His 4 losses are by a combined 16 points. What he’s done there to date has been remarkable.

No more excuses. It’s time for Mario to win some big games, especially those matchups at home (aTm, Clemson). If Duke can do it, there’s no reason Miami can’t with significantly more talent.
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Ur spot on brother.
 
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Canedude08 said:
Bag Money isn't nearly the advantage as it once was. What made the bag game so dangerous before NIL was that the infrastructure made it possible for schools to cheat without others being able to do so, or at least not offer as much. Clemson was able to spread money around and be reasonably certain that no one would be the wiser, and even if someone found out, they wouldn't have the guts to snitch. It's small town America, no one is willing to put their life or career on the line because Bubba the Defensive Lineman got a 100 dollar handshake.

Schools like Miami, USC, SMU, etc. all have wealthy boosters that want to throw money around, but as we've seen, it's a lot tougher to put money into a student athlete's hands, without getting caught when you are in a big city. Guess what NIL helps with? Now you can get money into the hands of student athletes, LEGALLY without that fear. Are schools still trying to take care of kids under the table? Of course, but now schools can offer something legally, which lessens the gap from what it was Pre-NIL. Combine that with Miami having a coach with legitimate recruiting chops, and Dabo isn't able to poach South Florida talent as easy as he once did. South Carolina showing signs of life isn't helping either.
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whatever signs of life they had died last week ...flatlined.

Clemson is recruiting at a high level STILL. They are currently ahead of us with 5 less recruits.
Their bag game has always been different than the regular and sec bag games...they have always been specific.

They pretty much drop bag how we played nil this year.

Their issue is on offense and the creativity of it.

In hindsight look back at this game and them leaving 20+ pts off the scoreboard which left tot he lost.

I see them still being a tough out..could see them beating fsu in 3 weeks.
 
AlexCane said:
I don't know how much of Clemson's issues have to do with the portal. Ideally, you use the portal to supplement a couple units. It should not replace recruiting and developing talent. The thing is, watching that game Monday, I just didn't see some of the high level talent that I've seen at Clemson in the past. Guys like Etienne, Lawrence, Watson, Wayne Gallman, Ray Ray McCloud, Justyn Ross, Hunter Renfrow, Tee Higgins, etc. Not to mention all the stud DL they've had in the past, many of whom are in the NFL now. The team just doesn't have as much high level talent as before. If you can't recruit the studs and then you don't dip into the portal, that can pose a problem.

Separately, I watched that team and if you didn't know it was Clemson and ranked #9, I'd think it was a middling program. Didn't look the same to me. Let's whoop 'em.
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9 of fsu starters are transfers, if you put Keon Coleman on clemson its a totally different story, talent acquisition is zero sum game. Clemson is trotting out Cole Turner because Dabo has some weird aversion to Portal, Even Bama who has all the resources and top of heap in talent acquisition had to get transfer Jameson Williams to take that team to next level..
 
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