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CJ Bailey needs to come home

gogeta4 said:
That i would of took CJ bailey over Judd Anderson. (good decision that bailey went to nc state and is getting live reps though)
I'm not sure in a true competition Emory Williams would beat out Keyone Jenkins at FIU. Tough kid has the protype size you look for..some athleticism. His arm seems weak to me. He didnt win much in high school.

I take it Shane Dawson isnt a huge recruiting fan.....he locks in early on guys and pretty much hones in.

I personally dont need a south florida or florida qb. I just want a player. **** ive been on n on about Dia Bell not being all that and he is rated a 5 star.

In 2027 I'm a big fan of https://247sports.com/Player/trae-taylor-46134912/

Looks like we are gonna lock in Trent Seaborn sooner or later though.
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Problem is Emory and Judd are very similar as far as we know to any of those people you mentioned. Reese poffenbarger or whatever his name is was considered a **** good QB at the level he played at before he came here. How did that look in a VERY limited role here? Like a dumpster fire. Every one of those QBs from what they have shown is average at best. You can't sit here and say that's what we should be targeting for a starting QB here. They're either all under developed short dudes with no weight and basic understanding of the position or bigger dudes that are simply superior athletes who seperste themselves at the high school level by exploiting that and sinking back down to mediocrity at the next level. In certain very small sample sizes they come from a background that has enabled them to receive high end positional training but that's VERY rare. Personally a QB from down here is gonna really have to be special for me to say I want that kid. Hence Neiman Lawrence (who we'll see if he continues to mature physically and into an optimal game or if he does like most down here do and excell just till they become a known factor and promptly get figured out.

@Coach Macho do you agree with @gogeta4 assessment in the QBs down here we should prioritize? Cause myself it's a hard pass for 95% of em & that's generous.
 
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gogeta4 said:
Tyler Huntley is better than any qb that has been at this school not named Cam Ward in the last 20 years what are we talking about here? lol.
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See this is the problem when people are unable to differentiate what they see opposed to what's gone on. We've had PLENTY of talent here that honestly speaking we basically sabotaged. Whether it's from coaching not putting kids in a position to succeed or in most instances simply prioritizing for numerous reasons someone else. Schematically speaking we've been a disaster for QBs in particular SINCE Jedd Fisch left here. Cam is amazing and I'm not gonna reiterate any of my own personal takes with him. But what truly made him amazing was surrounding him with COMPETENT talent & supporting him so that he didn't have to ALWAYS be superman. ALWAYS being the key word there. im not gonna go through mentioning names cause I don't feel like dealing with the idiot savants(not saying that's what you are brother) who can't apply context or have reading comprehension. So I'll simply leave it at in the roles we had for these kids were speaking on your be crazy to assume they'd become the same player here in the **** show that we had. Lamar as great as he is, he NEEDED Bobby Petrino who was always a savant with QBs to bring out that alpha in him. To teach him inside of his scheme how to become that dog. Don't think for a second that's who Lamar would've became had he come here. He would've been a career back up here or more than likely he would've had the one year maweak rozier had(I think they were the same years)and then he would've got a job at fed ex or like brad and maweak he would've simply became a groupie to anyone we had who did achieve actual success and beg to join up at 11 or tootsies and he's got a 100 on a bottle. It takes adversity to become who we see ourselves as. Many people can't deal with that reality. Here we weren't structurally built to set kids up for success. I'm sorry but that's just what it was. Kids distracted and embracing everything but football, everything but growth. Staff embracing nothing but there own egos and clashing with everyone they saw as a challenge to that. Be it staff or players. We've been a **** show brother and it's the reason I've said besides at times with CMR how grateful I am to have Mario back. Cause no matter what some clowns in our fan base who see nothing from the inside out assume, we were broken & we needed a hard reset to get us back on that path. We still ain't nowhere near where we need to be. But in this day and age of college sports, THIS is something to be **** proud about.
 
Brooklyndee said:
Problem is Emory and Judd are very similar as far as we know to any of those people you mentioned. Reese poffenbarger or whatever his name is was considered a **** good QB at the level he played at before he came here. How did that look in a VERY limited role here? Like a dumpster fire. Every one of those QBs from what they have shown is average at best. You can't sit here and say that's what we should be targeting for a starting QB here. They're either all under developed short dudes with no weight and basic understanding of the position or bigger dudes that are simply superior athletes who seperste themselves at the high school level by exploiting that and sinking back down to mediocrity at the next level. In certain very small sample sizes they come from a background that has enabled them to receive high end positional training but that's VERY rare. Personally a QB from down here is gonna really have to be special for me to say I want that kid. Hence Neiman Lawrence (who we'll see if he continues to mature physically and into an optimal game or if he does like most down here do and excell just till they become a known factor and promptly get figured out.

@Coach Macho do you agree with @gogeta4 assessment in the QBs down here we should prioritize? Cause myself it's a hard pass for 95% of em & that's generous.
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i think you misread me...You asked for qbs from down here that produced at the next level. I never said all those guys were guys we should target.

Go read my post again...i said we should target the ones that have the prerequisite size and ability when they are local. So the Mike White's, Lamar Jackson's, Snoop Huntley's, CJ Bailey, Fernando Mendoza's of the world most definitely could of been recruited as qbs in classes or 2 qb classes.

Other than height n wieght their isnt anything Emory Williams or Judd Anderson does better than a guy like Keyone Jenkins who is a shrimp but im being foreal.

I just gave you a list of guys that have produced or have produced at the next level whether it be fbs or fcs. TWO of the guys on that list @Coach Macho coached lol

Neiman falls in the category for me as well with the arm talent.
 
gogeta4 said:
i think you misread me...You asked for qbs from down here that produced at the next level. I never said all those guys were guys we should target.

Go read my post again...i said we should target the ones that have the prerequisite size and ability when they are local. So the Mike White's, Lamar Jackson's, Snoop Huntley's, CJ Bailey, Fernando Mendoza's of the world most definitely could of been recruited as qbs in classes or 2 qb classes.

Other than height n wieght their isnt anything Emory Williams or Judd Anderson does better than a guy like Keyone Jenkins who is a shrimp but im being foreal.

I just gave you a list of guys that have produced or have produced at the next level whether it be fbs or fcs. TWO of the guys on that list @Coach Macho coached lol

Neiman falls in the category for me as well with the arm talent.
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I'm aware two of them were western kids. But truth is truth. For me I don't take issue with the Emory or Judd conversations for the people who simply feel they have no business here. But then the answer can't be these are better options OUT OF HIGH SCHOOL. The only thing we know is those dudes are getting a chance to play in large part while Emory and Judd more than likely never will. I was asking what I asked because I was emphasizing none of those dudes from down here with several small exceptions are QBs we should target for any role except depth. I'll just leave it at I want my QBs from Texas, Pennsylvania,Cali or Georgia consistently. That's just me. Ohio I'm semi receptive too as well. If I wasn't clear in what I was asking or had misunderstood your statement I apologize brother. I never read all of this stuff and I assumed this was another why didn't we take this kid instead stuff. One thing I will say is I don't really think any of those dudes produced at the level I'd want.
 
Brooklyndee said:
I'm aware two of them were western kids. But truth is truth. For me I don't take issue with the Emory or Judd conversations for the people who simply feel they have no business here. But then the answer can't be these are better options OUT OF HIGH SCHOOL. The only thing we know is those dudes are getting a chance to play in large part while Emory and Judd more than likely never will. I was asking what I asked because I was emphasizing none of those dudes from down here with several small exceptions are QBs we should target for any role except depth. I'll just leave it at I want my QBs from Texas, Pennsylvania,Cali or Georgia consistently. That's just me. Ohio I'm semi receptive too as well. If I wasn't clear in what I was asking or had misunderstood your statement I apologize brother. I never read all of this stuff and I assumed this was another why didn't we take this kid instead stuff. One thing I will say is I don't really think any of those dudes produced at the level I'd want.
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yea i want em from tx, ga, or cali.

Ill take the best in state qb in florida as well. Doesnt have to be s.fla.

Beck is a duval kid. If you look instate this year in florida there were some good prospects in class.
 
DMoney said:
I think throws like this have NFL people excited:

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I love you, bud, but this is a cop-out of an answer.

I mean, you can usually scour anyone's film and highlight a few great plays.

The only thing Mendoza has going for him is that this year's QB and draft class appears weak as heck so maybe someone takes a shot on him but I don't see anything that he does that you'd put in the + category.

(And, again, on a personal level, he seems like a great, well-spoken kid. I'll root for the local kid every time but just calling it like I see it.)
 
gogeta4 said:
yea i want em from tx, ga, or cali.

Ill take the best in state qb in florida as well. Doesnt have to be s.fla.

Beck is a duval kid. If you look instate this year in florida there were some good prospects in class.
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Once In a blue Florida will produce a good QB or two. But generally speaking I'll stick with places that routinely produce them at a high level.
 
AlexCane said:
I love you, bud, but this is a cop-out of an answer.

I mean, you can usually scour anyone's film and highlight a few great plays.
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I can post whole games if you'd like. Remember, this is national hype coming from the NFL. They aren't just watching the highlights.

I think they're seeing more arm strength than you describe, to go along with the size, accuracy and processing. He's also a hard worker.

Personally, I see a Daniel Jones type, maybe less athletic. NFL star is a tough projection for anybody but I think he will play at that level.
 
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DMoney said:
I can post whole games if you'd like. Remember, this is national hype coming from the NFL. They aren't just watching the highlights.

I think they're seeing more arm strength than you describe, to go along with the size, accuracy and processing. He's also a hard worker.

Personally, I see a Daniel Jones type, maybe less athletic. NFL star is a tough projection for anybody but I think he will play at that level.
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Funny you mention Daniel Jones because that's who I see too. But if your comp is Daniel Jones, how do you justify drafting a guy in the 1st that likely tops out as a guy that wins 7-9/season?

I'm a totally dejected Dolphins fan and every time I watch Mahomes, Allen, Lamar, Burrow, Herbert, etc., I don't know how you compete with QBs that don't have these crazy "super skills" or remarkable physical traits. Perhaps that's why I'm down on Mendoza.
 
AlexCane said:
I love you, bud, but this is a cop-out of an answer.

I mean, you can usually scour anyone's film and highlight a few great plays.

The only thing Mendoza has going for him is that this year's QB and draft class appears weak as heck so maybe someone takes a shot on him but I don't see anything that he does that you'd put in the + category.

(And, again, on a personal level, he seems like a great, well-spoken kid. I'll root for the local kid every time but just calling it like I see it.)
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As someone who's seen Mendoza in practice and in person multiple times, I'm certainly a believer in this kid. The kid can make all the throws and he executes them at a high level. As a QB you throw into the route trees set up by your oc. He can't change that. I'd take him though. I see a lot of Jared Goff in his game. Good and bad
 
Brooklyndee said:
As someone who's seen Mendoza in practice and in person multiple times, I'm certainly a believer in this kid. The kid can make all the throws and he executes them at a high level. As a QB you throw into the route trees set up by your oc. He can't change that. I'd take him though. I see a lot of Jared Goff in his game. Good and bad
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I'm not a Jared Goff fan so that's not a sell for me! But now that you mention it, I can see it.
 
Brooklyndee said:
Here's the problem and I'm not putting this on you, but its the hypocritical **** constantly done on here. If we take Mendoza or anyone even vaguely similar to him or his profile coming out of high school damned what they eventually may turn into. We all know all that will happen is the canes support staph(i.e. canes fans/corches) will simply cry what the **** are we doing it's just another Emory or Judd or pick a name so long as the profile matches. We're a national program and reality is QBs from down here atleast at the high school level aren't advanced. Most haven't received adequate training/coaching and wouldn't contribute for years. The fact we even continue to have these conversations related to bailey the day after he came off of yet another loss and a basic performance illustrates the point. We should be recruiting national QBs with elite upside. Not kids who you can only imagine what they may become due to nothing but measurables... Neiman Lawrence is the ONLY QB I want from down this way and it ain't even a discussion beyond that for me
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Emory and Judd were bad HS QBs. The bar can be higher than bad QB on teams that don't win.
 
gogeta4 said:
That i would of took CJ bailey over Judd Anderson. (good decision that bailey went to nc state and is getting live reps though)
I'm not sure in a true competition Emory Williams would beat out Keyone Jenkins at FIU. Tough kid has the protype size you look for..some athleticism. His arm seems weak to me. He didnt win much in high school.

I take it Shane Dawson isnt a huge recruiting fan.....he locks in early on guys and pretty much hones in.

I personally dont need a south florida or florida qb. I just want a player. **** ive been on n on about Dia Bell not being all that and he is rated a 5 star.

In 2027 I'm a big fan of https://247sports.com/Player/trae-taylor-46134912/

Looks like we are gonna lock in Trent Seaborn sooner or later though.
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I don't see us pursuing a QB rated that highly. We hone in towards that 15-25 range.
 
Steve44 said:
WHYyyyy is washington state and Cal making significantly better QB evals than miami? They had Cam and Mateer back to back, and Cal had Mendoza and this kid JKS…with more
resources and a better pedigree, we are not matching up
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N Texas coach is 4-4

Some of it is also low expectations. 14-10 td to INT in 2023. That won’t fly but experience is needed.

Sign me up for this kid for 2-3 more years;

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KingB02 said:
You can’t expect a true sophomore quarterback to light it up every week. Especially against one of the best secondaries in the country. ND schemed to make him make mistakes and as expected he did just that.
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He’s at 10:6 TD:INT on the season if you exclude the game against Campbell, and every week has one of the worst throws you’ll see that day if you watch the games. I think it’s fair to expect more than that.
 
KingB02 said:
You can’t expect a true sophomore quarterback to light it up every week. Especially against one of the best secondaries in the country. ND schemed to make him make mistakes and as expected he did just that.
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I don't expect him to light it up any week because he rarely ever does.

He's an extremely overrated game manager.

Both he & Mr. Heisman Mendoza are 200+yd merchants who get hyped up on this board for their mediocre performances.
 
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