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Canes 9-3 according to USA ToDay..

Bigtip

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Seems pretty likely but I'm not sure we win the coastal if we go 9-3. Maybe if one of the losses is toe ND then it's possible but that scenario makes we wanna puke
 

ghost2

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Sounds about right to me. 9-3 regular season with a bowl win and an ACCCG loss. 10-4 to end the year, IMO.

I could also see 10-2 regular season with a similar outcome (11-3 total.)
 

TheOriginalCane

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OK, I do not understand BOTH 9-3 AND winning the Coastal.

Look at the schedule.

Let's say we lose to F$U as one of our losses. OK...

So that just leaves 2 options. Either we lose to 2 more ACC teams OR we lose to 1 more ACC team and Notre Dame.

Let's say it is the Notre Dame option. Presumably, the other ACC team we would lose to would be a division opponent, such as UNC or VaTech.

Then, with TWO losses in the ACC, and with either UNC or VaTech holding a tie-breaker over us, that means that one of those teams would need to lose THREE games in the ACC for Miami to win the Coastal. AND that means that nobody else finishes with only 1 loss in the Coastal (and presumably that loss would be to UM).

And it gets even harder to go 9-3 AND win the Coastal if we beat Notre Dame.

It just seems very unlikely.

Either we win 10 or more and win the Coastal...OR we win 9 or fewer and lose the Coastal.
 

MovingZen

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FSU, ND, and maybe Pitt? I dunno about those last two but even some knucklehead on this forum said something about Toledo so I guess anybody can throw some **** at the wall to see if it will stick.
 

TheOriginalCane

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FSU, ND, and maybe Pitt? I dunno about those last two but even some knucklehead on this forum said something about Toledo so I guess anybody can throw some **** at the wall to see if it will stick.


Exactly. As if we are going to lose to Toledo and then destroy the ACC (other than F$U of course). Riiight.
 

Canefan70

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We aren't losing 3 games this year. The only way that happens is if we are decimated with injuries on defense or if the quarterback play is astrocious. We have enough talent to win every damn game. We may have a trap game or two but we are not freshman anymore and have leadership. There is no guantlet like last year when we knew those 4 games were going to be tough. We still could of won all of them except for VT. If the QB is just respectable by keeping the 8th man out of the box, the o-line is better, and Richt's play calling is up to speed from wher it was last year at times, we will be a playoff team.
 

rok

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9-3 seems highly likely.

Nobody wants to believe that we're capable of losing to inferior ACC teams but it happens every year, and not just to us.

GT beat FSU in 2015.

Pitt beat Clemson in 2016.

It's a wacky conference.
 

TheOriginalCane

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9-3 seems highly likely.

Nobody wants to believe that we're capable of losing to inferior ACC teams but it happens every year, and not just to us.

GT beat FSU in 2015.

Pitt beat Clemson in 2016.

It's a wacky conference.



Wacky, but math is still math. How will we win the Coastal with 2 or 3 ACC losses, and with at least one loss to a Division opponent?

Sure, we can brainstorm scenarios, but they are very unlikely.
 
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CaneOil

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Went down to one of the Station Casinos for brunch on Sunday got the sheet for totals, Miami is at 9. Close enough that I won't bet it. We don't have a clue about our QB situation yet. Young QB's have a problem winning in big games on the road 95% of the time. Our D will make the difference this season. Getting it at -6.5 last year was a gift, so I took advantage.
 

TheOriginalCane

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OK, so I looked at the ACC standings since we went to divisional play.

Surprisingly, there have only been a couple of times when a team has BOTH lost 2 or more ACC games AND finished in some sort of a tie for 1st in the division. Most of the time, a divisional winner goes undefeated in conference play or only loses 1 game. OR ELSE a school wins their division outright, even with 2 or more losses.

In 2005, F$U and BC both finished 5-3 in the ACC.

In 2008, not only did F$U and BC both finish 5-3, but VaTech and GaTech went 5-3 on the Coastal side of things.

And in 2012, we had the infamous 3-way tie where UM, UNC, and GaTech all went 5-3, and both UNC and UM pulled out of the post-season due to NCAA investigations.

So I have a hard time seeing us lose 3 ACC games AND winning the Coastal, and I still think it's unlikely that we lose 2 ACC games AND win the Coastal.
 

jmccomber5

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Playing FSU every year shrinks the margin for error in the conference, that's for sure. The other coastal teams that could contend have some interesting issues, too. Georgia Tech plays at Clemson, UNC has Louisville and NC State, Pitt has NC State and VTech has Clemson. Theoretically, we could all be working with at least 1 loss in ACC play. So basically, we would be best of 7 games. That means we have to win our head to heads with UNC down (on paper), GT and VT at home and Pitt the last game of the season. 6-2 should win it
 

Cane6

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ND is gonna suck, plays players have started to mutiny on Kelly.

VaTech is the most likely loss behind FSU
 
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CaneOil

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9-3 seems highly likely.

Nobody wants to believe that we're capable of losing to inferior ACC teams but it happens every year, and not just to us.

GT beat FSU in 2015.

Pitt beat Clemson in 2016.

It's a wacky conference.

I think people forget even the best team of all time could have lost to BC with less than a minute to go. Just got by VT by 2, now we're talking about putting a freshman in to start and expect to go 11-1? The following year we are all expecting 11-1 or better if we find a QB.
 

Liberty City El

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The only games I see us losing this year possibly are Road games, I don't think we'll lose at Home.

So, that basically leaves FSU, UNC & maybe Pitt.

I think we'll win at least 2 out of those 3 Road games, we're not losing to Duke or Toledo on the Road.

We're not losing to GTech, Notre Dame or Va Tech in Hard Rock & Idgaf how cold it is, Pitt ain't beating us on the road either.

We should beat UNC pretty handily considering how much they lost last season, I mean they literally added something like 5 or 6 Grad transfers for this year all at key positions for starters & they haven't recruited all that well either.

FSU is really the only question mark on the schedule, because regardless of who our QB is they have a very athletic Defense on the edge that produced a ton of Sacks last year.

I think we can beat them finally, but we're going to have to play our best Football of the season in all 3 phases of the game in order to get it done.
 

rok

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9-3 seems highly likely.

Nobody wants to believe that we're capable of losing to inferior ACC teams but it happens every year, and not just to us.

GT beat FSU in 2015.

Pitt beat Clemson in 2016.

It's a wacky conference.

I think people forget even the best team of all time could have lost to BC with less than a minute to go. Just got by VT by 2, now we're talking about putting a freshman in to start and expect to go 11-1? The following year we are all expecting 11-1 or better if we find a QB.

Things seem to be trending toward 2018 being the year.

That's not to say we can't have a big year in 2017 but there probably won't be as many "ifs" in 2018.
 
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