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Can we talk about what’s ACC/Refs beef with Miami

RozayCane said:
Listen, we’re trash with a trash HC.. yes. But what the **** is the real issue with us and the ACC refs? They make bad calls through out the league.. but something else is going on when it comes to UM games.

This is easily one of the worse no calls I’ve ever seen. You even have the game announcers wondering what seems like weekly wtf is going on too.

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We have the highest cap # in the conference and we talking about not getting calls…. This has to be the twilight zone
 
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LPK2006 said:
100%. Butch, Golden and Richt did try to curb the penalties....still happened.
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We have always had a discipline issue and penalties…. But I’m talking about the constant no holding calls specially when Bain has the right tackle choking him via a rear naked choke several times in pretty much every game.
 
DadeBaby said:
We have the highest cap # in the conference and we talking about not getting calls…. This has to be the twilight zone
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Pretty sure it’s easy to search this site for the all the back kicking since the hiring of Mario I’ve done.

Also, 2 or more things can be true at the same time. We can be a undisciplined, underachieving team that had every right to lose yesterday.. while being coached by a sorry *** coach, who has no business being a HC at any level and there being something seriously wrong with the no calls this teams sees on a weekly basis.
 
RozayCane said:
Pretty sure it’s easy to search this site for the all the back kicking since the hiring of Mario I’ve done.

Also, 2 or more things can be true at the same time. We can be a undisciplined, underachieving team that had every right to lose yesterday.. while being coached by a sorry *** coach, who has no business being a HC at any level and there being something seriously wrong with the no calls this teams sees on a weekly basis.
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Bruh until we fix the HC problem these people will never respect us. The whole conference looks at us like “Johns” we ranked the game so of course we gonna get the hate.
Honestly if half the calls go the other way, we still don’t put together a scheme for our 4m qb to be successful.
 
Mikeiavelli said:
You're not getting that my beef is with the lack of penalties called on opposing teams when they play us compared to when they don't play us.

Refs should call penalties on us when we commit them and they do and they also call plenty of borderline ones against us too. But they don't call the other team the same way and the stats back that up.

They call far less penalties on teams when those teams play us.
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This. Every team plays their least called penalty game vs us.
 
cf3000 said:
There is absolutely no way Beck gets the same call
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Did Ward get the call last yr on the road? Like ya’ll gotta stop w this. Every fan base says they get screwed by the refs & they do.
-UL said they got screwed last yr on **** near an identical play.

-Cal said they got screwed on the non targeting on Wes when it 100% looked like targeting.

-Auburn fans just complained about the refs ******** them against UGA on two calls, including a goal line fumble

-WF fans said the refs screwed them against GT screwed on a missed off sides that would’ve sealed a W for them

-Oregon fans said the refs screwed them against UW in the PAC-12 Championship game on a Penix fumble that was overturned as a forward pass

-Blue Jay fans said the umps screwed them on a wedged ball

-NYG fans said the refs screwed them on a botched fumble call & a missed hip drop tackle on Skattebo

-Kings fans the refs screwed them against the Lakers b/c Austin Reaves took more FTs than their entire team

Like, wake up; this is not a refs v. us problem; EVERYONE is complaining about the refs in EVERY sport b/c the refs r bad. Furthermore, I can unequivocally tell u Carson would’ve got the same call b/c QBs + fumbles r the new Eurostep + Traveling whether u want to accept that or not. Just like I knew they would overturn Cam’s controversial fwd pass last season, I knew they would do the same for Jennings b/c I understand the way games r called.

The plays that should’ve or should not have been called was -The missed P.I/Def Holding on Marion which would’ve negated the penalty against us
-The roughing the passer on Lightfoot

The fumble is a non-starter & moot b/c of the rules.
 
drewm3i said:
Can someone do a deep statistical dive on this? If we could get data going back many years, the evidence would be overwhelming. I wish Miami would do its homework and take the ACC to task in court over this blatant cheating.
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Look up two posts before yours to mine…Some of us put links in to help others understand the depth of an issue “going back many years.”

AI won’t be able to stop itself from eliminating “carbon-based units”
 
jwcane97 said:
And this is the problem.
Refs should be like the NFL. No conference refs, it is all NCAA. They are paid $150-180k a year. Their JOB is being a referee. They take classes in the off season, they go to campuses and officiate spring games, etc.

Now you hold them accountable. After every game the NCAA grades refs. Anyone below an 85% rating (or whatever you want to set) is fined. Second offense is a suspension and third is dismissal.
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Great idea, but a lot easier in NFL for it to be a full time job. Lot more refs required to cover college games. Unfortunately, the system is a mess & no easy fix. That’s not good when coaching jobs seem to be on the line every week & with a booming sports gambling industry. Instant replay was supposed to help, but some plays are reviewable & not others. The stoppage also ruins the flow of game. Biggest gripe is the claim - “not enough to over rule the call on the field.” That’s nonsense. Use replay to get the call right.
 
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No_Fly_Zone said:
Appreciate this. It's that third column that interests me. Penalties called against, in and of itself, could be explained away by pointing out we are an undisciplined football team under Mario. Mario's teams at Oregon also suffered from tons of penalties, so there's plenty of support for that theory.

But it's much harder to explain away the infrequency of calls against our opponenets relative to their average. Like, SMU average 6 penalties against per game. They had 4 penalties for 40 yards against us. That seems to be a common them. If teams get fewer calls against playing us compared to those teams' own average, that seems like stronger evidence of bias against us.
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Idk if he’d want to update it but this thread from about a month ago did a good job of outlining our opponents’ penalties against us relative to their other games.

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Thread 'Biased Officiating?'

Like most on here, I'm sick of the one-sided officiating we see. I recall a few years back when we had 2 first round DE (phillips and greg) and didn’t get a hold call all year (or something like that). This past Saturday, we saw some very obvious missed calls. The intentional grounding that wasn’t called. The hold on bain that would have been a safety. The illegal motion that wasn’t called for them. No holding calls against their oline. I could go on.

I decided to look at the stats. It is as you would expect.

Out of 136 teams

Miami is 123rd in Penalties Per Game, with 8.5

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The condensed game film on YouTube completely left out the third down play on Miami's last drive with the bs holding call and the picked up pass interference call but made sure to include the second down play. They know that entire play was botched and trying to hide it from the public. But last year they made sure the non targeting call against cal was included in highlights so people could complain about the officials. Anyone that didn't watch this game will never know that play even happened. Complete cover up job
 
Rellyrell said:
Did Ward get the call last yr on the road? Like ya’ll gotta stop w this. Every fan base says they get screwed by the refs & they do.
-UL said they got screwed last yr on **** near an identical play.

-Cal said they got screwed on the non targeting on Wes when it 100% looked like targeting.

-Auburn fans just complained about the refs ******** them against UGA on two calls, including a goal line fumble

-WF fans said the refs screwed them against GT screwed on a missed off sides that would’ve sealed a W for them

-Oregon fans said the refs screwed them against UW in the PAC-12 Championship game on a Penix fumble that was overturned as a forward pass

-Blue Jay fans said the umps screwed them on a wedged ball

-NYG fans said the refs screwed them on a botched fumble call & a missed hip drop tackle on Skattebo

-Kings fans the refs screwed them against the Lakers b/c Austin Reaves took more FTs than their entire team

Like, wake up; this is not a refs v. us problem; EVERYONE is complaining about the refs in EVERY sport b/c the refs r bad. Furthermore, I can unequivocally tell u Carson would’ve got the same call b/c QBs + fumbles r the new Eurostep + Traveling whether u want to accept that or not. Just like I knew they would overturn Cam’s controversial fwd pass last season, I knew they would do the same for Jennings b/c I understand the way games r called.

The plays that should’ve or should not have been called was -The missed P.I/Def Holding on Marion which would’ve negated the penalty against us
-The roughing the passer on Lightfoot

The fumble is a non-starter & moot b/c of the rules.
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Officials are always going to make mistakes. They are human.

But data showing systemic issues like UMs opponents serially being well below their season averages and UM being called for far more penalties in ACC play is something different.

UM is averaging 3.5 more penalties a game in ACC play than non-conference play. UMs opponents average 3.8 penalties a game (4.25 in ACC play), which means collectively our opponents would rank as the #7 least penalized team in the nation.

In the SMU game, if any one of 4 questionable calls/non-calls goes UMs way, it most likely wins.

I’m not excusing UMs pre-snap issues. Also not excusing coaching and execution issues. And I realize ACC officials are generally incompetent. But the data suggest a clear pattern here.
 
Wasn't there like some crazy stat in 2017 where Miami led the nation in either sacks or TFL and no holds were called on their opponents? Remember the Orange Bowl against Wisconsin, when the Badgers scored a TD right before the half because their OL mugged, not held, mugged one of our DE? Richt should have been (by rule) thrown out of the game because he demonstrated to the ref what the Wisconsin OL did, by literally grabbing him. This has been going on for years, and obviously Miami has a lot problems, starting with Mario, but I'm sick of people saying stop talking about the refs. Why? Two things can be true. Miami played bad, had bad coaching, shot itself in the foot 10 times, AND the refs made like 5 horrible calls that directly affected the outcome of the game.
 
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bacane said:
Appreciate the need for the HC to set the example & remain composed . . . but enough is enough. Would Mario please get in an official’s face. As nice as he is, Richt at one point had enough & had a sideline blow up.
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Exactly
Even If he chewed their asses out and got a 15 yard unsportsmanlike penalty
I’d be fine with it
At least fight for your team Meathead
 
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Handsome Squidbum said:
Per chatgpt


Summary: Cristobal vs. Lanning — Penalties and Discipline



Mario Cristobal (Oregon 2018–2021, Miami 2022–present)





  • Cristobal’s teams have a long pattern of ranking among the most penalized in the country.
  • At Oregon, his offenses were consistently flagged 6–8 times per game, often putting the Ducks in the bottom third nationally in penalties.
  • In 2021 (his final year in Eugene), Oregon committed over 100 penalties in 14 games, one of the highest totals in the Pac-12.
  • After moving to Miami, the same trend followed: the 2022 and 2023 Hurricanes each averaged 7–8 penalties per game, ranking near the bottom of the ACC and around 100th nationally.
  • Analysts often cite Cristobal’s physical, aggressive style and lack of sideline discipline as contributing factors.



Dan Lanning (Oregon 2022–present)


  • Under Lanning, Oregon immediately cleaned up its game.
  • The Ducks averaged about 6.8 penalties/game in 2022, 6.6 in 2023, and just 5.3 in 2024, the lowest under any recent coach.
  • In 2024, they had the fewest penalty yards (580) and second-fewest total penalties (74) among Big Ten postseason teams—making them one of the most disciplined Power Five programs.
  • Lanning’s staff emphasizes controlled aggression and accountability, and it clearly shows in the rankings.


Bottom Line



Cristobal’s teams—both at Oregon and Miami—consistently rank among the nation’s most-penalized.


Lanning’s Oregon teams, by contrast, rank among the least-penalized and most disciplined.





So when someone claims that refs “have it out for Miami,” the numbers tell a simpler story:


Cristobal’s teams always rack up flags, no matter where he coaches. It’s a coaching pattern, not a conspiracy.
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That doesn't account for refs not throwing flags on the other team for obvious penalties, and obvious penalties in key moments.
 
Go look up the interception in OT and watch the receiver in the back of the endzone get tackled. Still no flag.

We can have a ****** coach AND have refs that will never let us win. The ACC will never, and I mean never, let us win anything.

Penalties can be called on every single play in every single game. These penalties we get called on us, and the lack of penalties on our opponents, makes it extremely difficult to win a game.

Almost impossible to beat your opponent AND the refs every week in conference play.
 
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