Can’t Put Lipstick on a Pig and Think She’ll Win the Beauty Pageant.

[Ispyin]

Real quick, I want to start by saying that there is no excuse for some of Mario’s hires, or the manner in which we’ve lost to teams that are (on paper) inferior. The money we’ve spent compared to the results is absolutely hysterical. Gattis is a full-fledged failure, Addae is a liability both on and off the field, Steele isn’t too far behind (3rd and 13 and 4th and 9, we’re dropping our secondary 20 yds deep? WHY???), Ponce is useless, etc. That’s 100% on Mario, and he’ll have to certainly make changes in the off-season if we expect to right the ship.

But for those who are calling for Mario’s head or blaming the coaches 100%…I mean guys: the product is right there in front of you. You seriously can’t tell me that these kids aren’t deserving of blame?

We were led to believe that these players had turned the corner in the off-season and fall. Y’all know the usual culprits by now - well that ends today. This roster reeks of Manny pu$$yism - they quit at the First sign of adversity, missed tackles galore, terrible angles, dropped passes…I mean it’s glaringly apparent that 70% of these guys aren’t good. Same mistakes as teams in the past. In fact all those ballers everyone loves to hype up - Ke’Shawn, Knighton, Garcia, Campbell, Tae, JWill, Seymore, etc. - they all stink. So yes - Mario is to blame for A LOT of these issues. But this team is rotten, from their work ethic (or lackthereof, plenty of validating posts on that) to their football IQ (yeah, most of these guys are idiots and don’t care) to their actual talent. There’s no denying it anymore. Trash only has a certain ceiling.

Everyone wants a quick fix - well guess what, it ain’t happening. Firing Mario? You’re an idiot if you think that’ll solve something. The Pac-12 isn’t elite, but it’s a better conference than the ACC - that’s just a fact. If he can build a program there, he can build one here. Mario has faults, and he needs to overhaul a lot of mistakes in season 1 rapidly - but make no mistake he can win here.

(Lane could have too, just wanted to sneak that in one last time…chooo chooo mf’s).

This is going to take a long time, 2+ recruiting classes realistically. And I don’t want to hear any excuses about wins being a deterrent in recruiting if Mario is so elite. There is no room for error, no 3-star S. FLA crapshoots. We need guys ready to play now. Until then, let’s just hope Mario makes the necessary changes - starting with the OC, all the way down to asking 20-25 players to kick rocks.

Attack the portal like Sparty did and open up the check book - we’re going to need it.

There’s not a big enough check book

 

[rok]

The culture is here is irreplable. May as well fold the program.

 

[BoxingRobes]

The culture is here is irreplable. May as well fold the program.

brother...

Thought you were busting out SAT words.

Had to google.

That's not a word.

However, I think it perfectly encapsulates the culture in the Hecht.

Irreplable.

 

[rok]

brother...

Thought you were busting out SAT words.

Had to google.

That's not a word.

However, I think it perfectly encapsulates the culture in the Hecht.

Irreplable.

Not repairable. Irrepairable? In any language, completely funked. We won't sniff another win this year I'm afraid.

 

[BoxingRobes]

Not repairable. Irrepairable? In any language, completely funked. We won't sniff another win this year I'm afraid.

The nearly flawless Crystal Ball that brother @Empirical Cane has on this year gives us only a little hope for another DUB.

I think we can win UVA and GaTech games. The rest? idk. If we can somehow beat FSU this year, I think I'll cash out and go home.

 

[We the Boss]

Real quick, I want to start by saying that there is no excuse for some of Mario’s hires, or the manner in which we’ve lost to teams that are (on paper) inferior. The money we’ve spent compared to the results is absolutely hysterical. Gattis is a full-fledged failure, Addae is a liability both on and off the field, Steele isn’t too far behind (3rd and 13 and 4th and 9, we’re dropping our secondary 20 yds deep? WHY???), Ponce is useless, etc. That’s 100% on Mario, and he’ll have to certainly make changes in the off-season if we expect to right the ship.

But for those who are calling for Mario’s head or blaming the coaches 100%…I mean guys: the product is right there in front of you. You seriously can’t tell me that these kids aren’t deserving of blame?

We were led to believe that these players had turned the corner in the off-season and fall. Y’all know the usual culprits by now - well that ends today. This roster reeks of Manny pu$$yism - they quit at the First sign of adversity, missed tackles galore, terrible angles, dropped passes…I mean it’s glaringly apparent that 70% of these guys aren’t good. Same mistakes as teams in the past. In fact all those ballers everyone loves to hype up - Ke’Shawn, Knighton, Garcia, Campbell, Tae, JWill, Seymore, etc. - they all stink. So yes - Mario is to blame for A LOT of these issues. But this team is rotten, from their work ethic (or lackthereof, plenty of validating posts on that) to their football IQ (yeah, most of these guys are idiots and don’t care) to their actual talent. There’s no denying it anymore. Trash only has a certain ceiling.

Everyone wants a quick fix - well guess what, it ain’t happening. Firing Mario? You’re an idiot if you think that’ll solve something. The Pac-12 isn’t elite, but it’s a better conference than the ACC - that’s just a fact. If he can build a program there, he can build one here. Mario has faults, and he needs to overhaul a lot of mistakes in season 1 rapidly - but make no mistake he can win here.

(Lane could have too, just wanted to sneak that in one last time…chooo chooo mf’s).

This is going to take a long time, 2+ recruiting classes realistically. And I don’t want to hear any excuses about wins being a deterrent in recruiting if Mario is so elite. There is no room for error, no 3-star S. FLA crapshoots. We need guys ready to play now. Until then, let’s just hope Mario makes the necessary changes - starting with the OC, all the way down to asking 20-25 players to kick rocks.

Attack the portal like Sparty did and open up the check book - we’re going to need it.

LOL how many classes it take Duke to Molly whoop us?

 

[We the Boss]

When was the last time we outcoached the opposing team?

199never

 

[CTCanes]

Almost every game I watch other than Miami the offense is fast paced and exciting. Watching Miami’s offense is like watching football in the 1960’s. So unless Cristobal has an epiphany this off season and changes his offense, Miami ain’t doing crap

 

[Golsen82]

Serious question

How does “gameday coaching” have to do with anything? The guy doesn’t call plays, he’s responsible for what exactly? When to call TO, tho I’m sure the coordinators might have influence on that as well

The fact is he hired two ****** coordinators starting with Gattis who might almkst ne as bad as Enos but even Enos at least put up 40 on a ACC team with a pothead at QB

Then you have Steele who’s 99 years old and thinks Flagg should be in on 3rd downs covering anything

It's how you do everything

 

[KingB02]

Dudes don’t understand. Kiffin, Stoops, Leipold, whoever would be 3-4 here.

This team has a bunch of losers on it’s wh’s behavior was allowed to grow because they had an even bigger loser in a HC with Diaz. They play like it and you can bet they probably prepare like it as well. You can go and say “oh Duke has a new coach” or whatever you want. Did that Duke team look like they had a bunch of losers out there? Did they lose all hope and pout after that fumble? Nope. Our guys did though.

That’s why that “it’s the coaches” argument is a bunch of bull****. Name one time Oregon absolutely quit on Mario. I‘ll sit here and wait. All of the sudden though he at Miami and it’s his fault that he‘s surrounded by weak minded dweebs. These losers have quit in 3 games this year but yet “it’s the coaches” when this staff literally has NCAA championship coaches on it.

It’s going take years to wipe the loser stench out of the Hecht.

You dumb AF for this.

 

[WeBallinBoyz]

You dumb AF for this.

He’s not tho

Y’all keep saying “Manny beat this team”. That’s stupid af and short sighted - this is a completely different Duke team.

Are they better than us? No. No excuse for the manner in which we lost.

Btw - did Manny beat them? No lol - Lashlee did and it was a meaningless game in which Cutcliffe already got fired.

 

[KingB02]

He’s not tho

Y’all keep saying “Manny beat this team”. That’s stupid af and short sighted - this is a completely different Duke team.

Are they better than us? No. No excuse for the manner in which we lost.

Btw - did Manny beat them? No lol - Lashlee did and it was a meaningless game in which Cutcliffe already got fired.

How can that be a completely different duke team in one year (with less transfers) and we are worse than last year? Is it safe to say they are better coached than us? Both coaches inherited a team. One changed the culture, with less talent and movement of players in and out. One sold us dreams To make us think he had changed the culture.

 

[TaylorWalls]

We have more talent on our roster than Duke and MTSU. We lost (badly) to both of those teams. Enough with the excuses. Produce results or GTFOH.

This type of post is either pure laziness or it's made by someone who doesn't understand talent.

If you have guys who are 6'2" and can run fast, you guys and the recruiting services think they have "talent". But if that "talent" doesn't care, doesn't work hard, and doesn't really understand football, no head coach is winning games. And we have a whole lot of that kind of "talent".

 

[TaylorWalls]

How can that be a completely different duke team in one year (with less transfers) and we are worse than last year? Is it safe to say they are better coached than us? Both coaches inherited a team. One changed the culture, with less talent and movement of players in and out. One sold us dreams To make us think he had changed the culture.

The Duke coach didn't "change the culture" in one off season any more than Mario supposedly made us worse. Good lord. You people are so black and white.

 

[WeBallinBoyz]

How can that be a completely different duke team in one year (with less transfers) and we are worse than last year? Is it safe to say they are better coached than us? Both coaches inherited a team. One changed the culture, with less talent and movement of players in and out. One sold us dreams To make us think he had changed the culture.

Maybe, but I think it’s equally possible we have the very same kids who quite frankly suck, and quit at the very sign of adversity. It’s the same roster as last year - same roster that quit vs. Michigan St. These kids have no fight, and are constantly overrated.

We’ll see what happens - Mario ain’t going anywhere, so he’ll have a chance to recruit his guys and see if it changes. One thing is for certain - we need some coaching staff changes.

 

[FrancisSawyer]

He’ll load the cupboard for the next coach, who hopefully, finally, is an offensive modern x and o type.

For me that has always been the ideal "Long Game" scenario. It was inevitable that it was going to be Mario or bust after last season. It was well known that Mario has always had issues relative to game day coaching and game management to be specific. He needs a talent advantage to be effective and he is clueless about the way college football is played today.

The hope was that Cristobal would be smart enough to hire brilliant X's and O's type coordinators who understand what schemes/systems are ideal for our recruiting base then stay out of the way. A CEO type who is also an elite recruiter was the best way to leverage Mario's skills while deemphasizing his weaknesses. Then after 3 plus elite recruiting classes our roster would be in ideal position for another HC assuming that Mario was not able to significantly improve his game management and decision making skills.


Obviously things have not gone according to the script above and that was my biggest concern going in to the Cristobal era. That concern was that he would try to force a plodding ground and pound type philosophy on the team while completely ignoring the fact that we do not have the personnel to run that style causing the players to lose interest and make an already toxic locker room even more so.

To be fair, the soft, entitled primadonna culture he inherited needs to be completely purged but the ugly truth is that Mario has made things much worse by stubbornly making bad hires. Mario is what he is and that is a meticulous program builder who can recruit at an elite level. Unfortunately he has zero clue when it comes to X's and O's, has a painfully outdated view on the game and is completely lost during games where he shows little to no feel for the game and is absolutely atrocious in terms of managing the game and the decisions that go with that.

 

[Handsome Squidbum]

How can that be a completely different duke team in one year (with less transfers) and we are worse than last year? Is it safe to say they are better coached than us? Both coaches inherited a team. One changed the culture, with less talent and movement of players in and out. One sold us dreams To make us think he had changed the culture.

Many,many years ago when I played HS football, our team was the most dominant team in HS football in the state (not Florida) and we were undefeated for consecutive seasons and nationally ranked.

We had an old school coach with an old school triple option playbook and we smashed every team we faced. Fast forward around 10 years and the team was struggling to win games. Did the culture suddenly change? No - we had the same coaches we'd had for decades. Did the players get worse? No, there was no exodus of players to other schools, we had the same pool of HS players we always did.

So what was different? Why did my school that was once so dominant suck at football? Came down to two reasons. 1. Other schools in other parts of the state got much better while we stayed the same 2. Our old school coach was never going to move away from the triple option. It's all he knew. Long after teams had figured out how to stop the triple option, the HC and many fans still insisted the problem was the current generation of players was just too soft and not executing to perfection. Guess what - that wasn't really the problem.

 

[bornagaincane]

Mario needs a big talent advantage to make up for his deficiencies as a game day coach. We knew that coming in. Yes the roster and culture isn’t great but Mario can’t over come that with great coaching. He recruits very well and brings toughness. It’ll take him longer than say a great X O coach to fix this. Imo longterm it’ll be worth it when the roster is flipped but Mario isn’t the type to come in and jump start a team quickly with coaching. He’s a poor man’s Butch.

Mario, a poor man Butch? Really? Wasn’t Butch considered a bad game day coach as well? Wasn’t Butch considered a great recruiter like Mario? You forgot about the banner “from champs to chimps”?

 

[Empirical Cane]

 

[ucaned]

Mario needs a big talent advantage to make up for his deficiencies as a game day coach. We knew that coming in. Yes the roster and culture isn’t great but Mario can’t over come that with great coaching. He recruits very well and brings toughness. It’ll take him longer than say a great X O coach to fix this. Imo longterm it’ll be worth it when the roster is flipped but Mario isn’t the type to come in and jump start a team quickly with coaching. He’s a poor man’s Butch.

$80M and our last abortion of a coach had them tougher and playing better. Imagine if they made coaches that could do the X and O’s and recruit, that would be something. Guessing you might actually have to do a search or something to find a guy like that.

Mario should have been left out west, and Miami should have found someone to create a new identity, not someone clinging to the past. The clinging only seems to repeat the last 20 years, not the 80’s and early 90’s. Also, we did not need a poor man’s Butch, if we wanted that we could have just called Butch.