Cam Davis 40

[DiegoCane]

I think that myth died about a decade ago once the recruiting sites started posting legitimate times....

The myth that HS kids are running 4.3 and 4.4s is always funny.

For reference, here are some combine times the last 2 years of college backs as 21-22 year olds:

David Johnson 4.5
Melvin Gordon 4.52
Duke Johnson 4.54
Derrick Henry 4.54
Paul Perkins 4.54
Jay Ajayi 4.57
Alex Collins 4.59
Ameer Abdullah 4.6
TJ Yeldon 4.61

Maybe for some but look at all the threads about 40 times, there are people who still think 4.4s are common.

 

[Jassid82]

Laser times are, typically, .24 slower than hand times.

So, for any of y'all suggesting 4.59 and 4.63 laser times are not "elite" ... Make the adjustment, and ask yourself how you feel about a 4.35 40 for Davis and a 4.39 for Lingard.

And those kids are still in the 11th grade ...

Some of yall need to stay off of Playstation, or pay attention to the NFL combine 40 times.

4.6 on the laser is elite for a high school kid.

Where are you getting .24 from? Here's a article comparing the Hand Held times vs, the Electronic times at the NFL combine (scroll down to see the times). The difference is about .05 - .10.

2015 NFL Combine: Real-time 40s to be used for first time - CBSSports.com

As a comparison - here's The Opening numbers for Miami RB's:

Davis - 5'10" 190 4.59
Burns - 5'11" 215 4.57
Homer - 5'11" 195 4.48
Walton - 5'9" 182 4.63
Yearby - 5'9" 179 4.58
Gus - 6'2" 221 4.58


But here's some of the Elite at The Opening:

Dalvin Cook - 5'11" 196 4.46
Sony Michel - 5'11" 194 4.46
Nick Chubb - 5'11" 217 4.47
Joe Mixon - 6'1" 209 4.53


I know I sound like a hater - but saying 4.59 is "elite" just isn't fair to the kid. It's setting expectations too high. I'm excited about our 2018 RB's, but I can already see the hype train starting to get a little out of control.

I'm totally on board with saying Davis is a Walton/Yearby level/type of talent. But he's definitely not in the the Duke/Cook category. I think the Michel/Collins/Scarlett category is over-hyping him a bit too IMO.

Is Davis a track guy? And if so, is he a sprinter? Reason Im saying that is because comparing him to Cook/Michel/Chubb who were all sprinters in HS is not fair as all of them knew how to run a 40.

4.59 is plenty fast enough at this stage. Dont nitpick. Rivals or Scout has him as a top 50 player in the country. If we are hyping him its because it is warranted. Lingard too.

 

[TXCANE4]

Don't give a **** what he ran. It's not a beauty contest, it's FOOTBALL! If he looks good on film and isn't constantly getting caught from behind, I'm sold.

 

[Al Foil]

Pay more attention to personal best track times.

You cannot compare apples to apples with NIKE combine testing with different conditions, track, etc.

Personal Best 100 Meter HS Track Times Track & Field, Cross Country Results, Statistics
Lorenzo Lingard 10.80 (2016)
Camron Davis 11.06 (2016)
Robert Burns 11.29 (2016)
Travis Homer 11.50 (2016)

Probably the most speed we have ever had at the RB position.

For comparsion....

Dalvin Cook 11.18 (2012)
Duke Johnson 10.62 (2011)
Derrick Henry 11.11 (2011)
Nick Chubb 10.69 (2014)
Ezekiel Elliot 10.95 (2013)
Joe Yearby 11.92 (2012)

Mark Walton did not run track in HS.

We got plenty o speed boys....

 

[Al Foil]

Cam Davis has more upside than Yearby and Walton.

 

[bshaw28]

Laser times are, typically, .24 slower than hand times.

So, for any of y'all suggesting 4.59 and 4.63 laser times are not "elite" ... Make the adjustment, and ask yourself how you feel about a 4.35 40 for Davis and a 4.39 for Lingard.

And those kids are still in the 11th grade ...

Some of yall need to stay off of Playstation, or pay attention to the NFL combine 40 times.

4.6 on the laser is elite for a high school kid.

Where are you getting .24 from? Here's a article comparing the Hand Held times vs, the Electronic times at the NFL combine (scroll down to see the times). The difference is about .05 - .10.

2015 NFL Combine: Real-time 40s to be used for first time - CBSSports.com

As a comparison - here's The Opening numbers for Miami RB's:

Davis - 5'10" 190 4.59
Burns - 5'11" 215 4.57
Homer - 5'11" 195 4.48
Walton - 5'9" 182 4.63
Yearby - 5'9" 179 4.58


But here's some of the Elite at The Opening:

Dalvin Cook - 5'11" 196 4.46
Sony Michel - 5'11" 194 4.46
Nick Chubb - 5'11" 217 4.47
Joe Mixon - 6'1" 209 4.53


I know I sound like a hater - but saying 4.59 is "elite" just isn't fair to the kid. It's setting expectations too high. I'm excited about our 2018 RB's, but I can already see the hype train starting to get a little out of control.

I'm totally on board with saying Davis is a Walton/Yearby level/type of talent. But he's definitely not in the the Duke/Cook category. I think the Michel/Collins/Scarlett category is over-hyping him a bit too IMO.

You think putting Davis in the same category as Scarlett is overhyping him? Yikes.

I definitely do. Scarlett is a notch above Walton/Yearby IMO.

I'm taking a wait & see approach on Davis to see what he does this year. But he's run for 1,119 yards with a 5.8 YPC the last 2 years. He only averaged 6.7 YPC last year. That's concerning. But he did BLOW UP in the playoffs last year, so that's a good sign. For me though, the jury is still out on Davis.

 

[Mico Jones]

What did Lingard run? Also curious to see what James Cook clocked.

Lingard ran a 4.63

 

[MIATL]

Laser times are, typically, .24 slower than hand times.

So, for any of y'all suggesting 4.59 and 4.63 laser times are not "elite" ... Make the adjustment, and ask yourself how you feel about a 4.35 40 for Davis and a 4.39 for Lingard.

And those kids are still in the 11th grade ...

Some of yall need to stay off of Playstation, or pay attention to the NFL combine 40 times.

4.6 on the laser is elite for a high school kid.

Where are you getting .24 from? Here's a article comparing the Hand Held times vs, the Electronic times at the NFL combine (scroll down to see the times). The difference is about .05 - .10.

2015 NFL Combine: Real-time 40s to be used for first time - CBSSports.com

As a comparison - here's The Opening numbers for Miami RB's:

Davis - 5'10" 190 4.59
Burns - 5'11" 215 4.57
Homer - 5'11" 195 4.48
Walton - 5'9" 182 4.63
Yearby - 5'9" 179 4.58
Gus - 6'2" 221 4.58


But here's some of the Elite at The Opening:

Dalvin Cook - 5'11" 196 4.46
Sony Michel - 5'11" 194 4.46
Nick Chubb - 5'11" 217 4.47
Joe Mixon - 6'1" 209 4.53


I know I sound like a hater - but saying 4.59 is "elite" just isn't fair to the kid. It's setting expectations too high. I'm excited about our 2018 RB's, but I can already see the hype train starting to get a little out of control.

I'm totally on board with saying Davis is a Walton/Yearby level/type of talent. But he's definitely not in the the Duke/Cook category. I think the Michel/Collins/Scarlett category is over-hyping him a bit too IMO.

I get the conversion from timing track and field meets. And the number, typically, holds form. But, I admit ... The track conversion is based on gun to finish, not first movement to finish. So, because the combine times are based on the athlete's first movement, the difference in times is likely decreased.

But I'm curious to get your take on Homer, based on what you posted to define "elite" ...

 

[Memnon]

You ***** obsess over 40's & track times...

Game film supersedes all.

 

[Ibis Wingz]

I hereby appoint The Honorable Mr. Camron Davis to the diplomatic corps as an ambassador for University of Miami.

 

[bshaw28]

Laser times are, typically, .24 slower than hand times.

So, for any of y'all suggesting 4.59 and 4.63 laser times are not "elite" ... Make the adjustment, and ask yourself how you feel about a 4.35 40 for Davis and a 4.39 for Lingard.

And those kids are still in the 11th grade ...

Some of yall need to stay off of Playstation, or pay attention to the NFL combine 40 times.

4.6 on the laser is elite for a high school kid.

Where are you getting .24 from? Here's a article comparing the Hand Held times vs, the Electronic times at the NFL combine (scroll down to see the times). The difference is about .05 - .10.

2015 NFL Combine: Real-time 40s to be used for first time - CBSSports.com

As a comparison - here's The Opening numbers for Miami RB's:

Davis - 5'10" 190 4.59
Burns - 5'11" 215 4.57
Homer - 5'11" 195 4.48
Walton - 5'9" 182 4.63
Yearby - 5'9" 179 4.58
Gus - 6'2" 221 4.58


But here's some of the Elite at The Opening:

Dalvin Cook - 5'11" 196 4.46
Sony Michel - 5'11" 194 4.46
Nick Chubb - 5'11" 217 4.47
Joe Mixon - 6'1" 209 4.53


I know I sound like a hater - but saying 4.59 is "elite" just isn't fair to the kid. It's setting expectations too high. I'm excited about our 2018 RB's, but I can already see the hype train starting to get a little out of control.

I'm totally on board with saying Davis is a Walton/Yearby level/type of talent. But he's definitely not in the the Duke/Cook category. I think the Michel/Collins/Scarlett category is over-hyping him a bit too IMO.

I get the conversion from timing track and field meets. And the number, typically, holds form. But, I admit ... The track conversion is based on gun to finish, not first movement to finish. So, because the combine times are based on the athlete's first movement, the difference in times is likely decreased.

But I'm curious to get your take on Homer, based on what you posted to define "elite" ...

I think Homer & Burns are both "elite" athletes. Homer is still 17 years old. Burns running a 4.57 at 215 is a lot more impressive than Davis running a 4.59 at 190.

Now are they "elite" RB's? We'll see. I hope so, but I've got concerns about both. Measurements certainly aren't everything, but their athleticism gives them higher ceilings, so I'm excited for their potential. I think they can be very good, but don't think they'll ever become what I consider "elite".

Homer & Burns have the ability to get to the Michel/Collins/Scarlett level, but I'm definitely not confident they actually will. But I think Homer will be better than Walton this year.

 

[bshaw28]

I think that myth died about a decade ago once the recruiting sites started posting legitimate times....

The myth that HS kids are running 4.3 and 4.4s is always funny.

For reference, here are some combine times the last 2 years of college backs as 21-22 year olds:

David Johnson 4.5
Melvin Gordon 4.52
Duke Johnson 4.54
Derrick Henry 4.54
Paul Perkins 4.54
Jay Ajayi 4.57
Alex Collins 4.59
Ameer Abdullah 4.6
TJ Yeldon 4.61

Maybe for some but look at all the threads about 40 times, there are people who still think 4.4s are common.

The bigger myth that's the problem is that all RB's (or players in general) shed .1 to .2 off their 40 times once they start college weight training. It happens in some cases, but it's far from the norm.

All those RB's listed here running in the mid 4.5's didn't come into college running in the mid 4.7's.

If you're running a 4.6 coming into college, it's much more likely you're leaving college running a 4.6 than 4.4.

 

[Republicane]

Killa Cam bein Killa Cam.

 

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[CaymanCane]

Laser times are, typically, .24 slower than hand times.

So, for any of y'all suggesting 4.59 and 4.63 laser times are not "elite" ... Make the adjustment, and ask yourself how you feel about a 4.35 40 for Davis and a 4.39 for Lingard.

And those kids are still in the 11th grade ...

Some of yall need to stay off of Playstation, or pay attention to the NFL combine 40 times.

4.6 on the laser is elite for a high school kid.

Where are you getting .24 from? Here's a article comparing the Hand Held times vs, the Electronic times at the NFL combine (scroll down to see the times). The difference is about .05 - .10.

2015 NFL Combine: Real-time 40s to be used for first time - CBSSports.com

As a comparison - here's The Opening numbers for Miami RB's:

Davis - 5'10" 190 4.59
Burns - 5'11" 215 4.57
Homer - 5'11" 195 4.48
Walton - 5'9" 182 4.63
Yearby - 5'9" 179 4.58


But here's some of the Elite at The Opening:

Dalvin Cook - 5'11" 196 4.46
Sony Michel - 5'11" 194 4.46
Nick Chubb - 5'11" 217 4.47
Joe Mixon - 6'1" 209 4.53


I know I sound like a hater - but saying 4.59 is "elite" just isn't fair to the kid. It's setting expectations too high. I'm excited about our 2018 RB's, but I can already see the hype train starting to get a little out of control.

I'm totally on board with saying Davis is a Walton/Yearby level/type of talent. But he's definitely not in the the Duke/Cook category. I think the Michel/Collins/Scarlett category is over-hyping him a bit too IMO.

You think putting Davis in the same category as Scarlett is overhyping him? Yikes.

I definitely do. Scarlett is a notch above Walton/Yearby IMO.

I'm taking a wait & see approach on Davis to see what he does this year. But he's run for 1,119 yards with a 5.8 YPC the last 2 years. He only averaged 6.7 YPC last year. That's concerning. But he did BLOW UP in the playoffs last year, so that's a good sign. For me though, the jury is still out on Davis.

On what planet is Scarlett above Walton? He's not even his equal. Walton put up better stats last year than Scarlett has for his entire career.

 

[Coach Macho]

The myth that HS kids are running 4.3 and 4.4s is always funny.

For reference, here are some combine times the last 2 years of college backs as 21-22 year olds:

David Johnson 4.5
Melvin Gordon 4.52
Duke Johnson 4.54
Derrick Henry 4.54
Paul Perkins 4.54
Jay Ajayi 4.57
Alex Collins 4.59
Ameer Abdullah 4.6
TJ Yeldon 4.61

There actually are kids who move like that. I've personally had 2 kids who showed up to college and ran laser-timed 4.4's their first day on campus. (during testing) (4.41 & 4.47)

Those guys who run 4.3/4.4 at the combine...what do you think they run in high school? Usually somewhere in that ballpark. Main difference is, they're much bigger when they run those times in college.


EDIT: Not talking about RB's specifically, just kids in general.

 

[Coach Macho]

I think that myth died about a decade ago once the recruiting sites started posting legitimate times....

The myth that HS kids are running 4.3 and 4.4s is always funny.

For reference, here are some combine times the last 2 years of college backs as 21-22 year olds:

David Johnson 4.5
Melvin Gordon 4.52
Duke Johnson 4.54
Derrick Henry 4.54
Paul Perkins 4.54
Jay Ajayi 4.57
Alex Collins 4.59
Ameer Abdullah 4.6
TJ Yeldon 4.61

Maybe for some but look at all the threads about 40 times, there are people who still think 4.4s are common.

The bigger myth that's the problem is that all RB's (or players in general) shed .1 to .2 off their 40 times once they start college weight training. It happens in some cases, but it's far from the norm.

All those RB's listed here running in the mid 4.5's didn't come into college running in the mid 4.7's.

If you're running a 4.6 coming into college, it's much more likely you're leaving college running a 4.6 than 4.4.

You didn't know?!

In college you gain 40 pounds of muscle and shave 0.38 off your forty time!

 

[1953]

Full results from the Regional Miami Opening will be available this week, but Miami running back commit Camron Davis just told me that he posted a 4.59 laser time on Sunday, which is a great time for a player of his size (5-10, 191)

Ran 100m in 11.06--plenty fast enough and this track season has just gotten started.

 

[INCaneFan]

Pay more attention to personal best track times.

You cannot compare apples to apples with NIKE combine testing with different conditions, track, etc.

Personal Best 100 Meter HS Track Times Track & Field, Cross Country Results, Statistics
Lorenzo Lingard 10.80 (2016)
Camron Davis 11.06 (2016)
Robert Burns 11.29 (2016)
Travis Homer 11.50 (2016)

Probably the most speed we have ever had at the RB position.

For comparsion....

Dalvin Cook 11.18 (2012)
Duke Johnson 10.62 (2011)
Derrick Henry 11.11 (2011)
Nick Chubb 10.69 (2014)
Ezekiel Elliot 10.95 (2013)
Joe Yearby 11.92 (2012)

Mark Walton did not run track in HS.

We got plenty o speed boys....

He's plenty fast, good 40, but not elite.

D Henry, that's just a stupid time for a guy that size.

 

[CaliforniaCanes]

Pay more attention to personal best track times.

You cannot compare apples to apples with NIKE combine testing with different conditions, track, etc.

Personal Best 100 Meter HS Track Times Track & Field, Cross Country Results, Statistics
Lorenzo Lingard 10.80 (2016)
Camron Davis 11.06 (2016)
Robert Burns 11.29 (2016)
Travis Homer 11.50 (2016)

Probably the most speed we have ever had at the RB position.

For comparsion....

Dalvin Cook 11.18 (2012)
Duke Johnson 10.62 (2011)
Derrick Henry 11.11 (2011)
Nick Chubb 10.69 (2014)
Ezekiel Elliot 10.95 (2013)
Joe Yearby 11.92 (2012)

Mark Walton did not run track in HS.

We got plenty o speed boys....

Dukes 100m really surprised me. He is forever the Cane God however many of his breakaway runs I remember him getting caught from behind.

Anyways, you all are crazy for focusing this much on 40 times....

Sidenote: The dude who said scarlett is better than Sir Mark Walton is making me laugh at how hard he is trying to troll.