Butch on 790 right now

So according to ___THEU___, Davis's 63 years is more of a detriment than Saban's 63 years. Makes sense.

_THEU_ is the same ******* that was supporting Golden not too long ago on these boards.

I wasnt supporting AG i was supporting the team. And i said buyout buyout was a major issue. Get your facts straight. Big difference than being a disloyal piece of **** boycotting the program and negative recruiting, hoping for losses than supporting AG.

How in the name of ****ing **** can you type "supporting the team" and inference that to supporting Golden, whether directly or indirectly.

Just shut up already dude. Losses in the current state of things are the ONLY thing giving us HOPE at MAYBE getting rid of that piece of garbage.

We just see things completely different. I dont see how u even can care about our future when your rooting for losses. If you really love the U enough and care you would never openly root against the program. Your not a true fan.
 
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Jedi- I remember well, but Butch evolved with time and ultimately was able to use his strength as a talent evaluator to field better horses than our opponents which secured victory more times than not. That helped his play-calling. He just had better talent to work with. If he's here, SoFla will be locked down. That's half the battle.

In the interval time since he was here, he's coached more, learned more I would guess, networked more, etc. I think he would be successful.

If I'm Butch, I would also somehow set this up for Coley or Dorsey to take over somewhere downstream if they prove themselves and when he's ready to step down.
 
So according to ___THEU___, Davis's 63 years is more of a detriment than Saban's 63 years. Makes sense.

_THEU_ is the same ******* that was supporting Golden not too long ago on these boards.

I wasnt supporting AG i was supporting the team. And i said buyout buyout was a major issue. Get your facts straight. Big difference than being a disloyal piece of **** boycotting the program and negative recruiting, hoping for losses than supporting AG.

How in the name of ****ing **** can you type "supporting the team" and inference that to supporting Golden, whether directly or indirectly.

Just shut up already dude. Losses in the current state of things are the ONLY thing giving us HOPE at MAYBE getting rid of that piece of garbage.

We just see things completely different. I dont see how u even can care about our future when your rooting for losses. If you really love the U enough and care you would never openly root against the program. Your not a true fan.

No **** we don't see things on the same level. Not only are YOU not a fan...but you're ******* idiot.
 
People dont wanna hear anything rational. Im telling it like it is and not how everyone dreams up in there head. Im not some kid living in his mom's basement posting in between games of Halo. Im speaking real **** here.


Just because you have an opinion doesn't mean it's correct and everyone else is being irrational.

By your logic, any coach around the age of 63 can't recruit. That's absurd. As others have stated, the assistants do most of the legwork. They're the ones constantly tweeting and stuff like that. The head coach sets the tone and acts as the closer.

Plus I think the time off has invigorated Butch. He laments walking away from a potential dynasty, and he has unfinished business.

I get what your saying but the reality is assistants dont do more work, its not even close. Im not just talking about texting, calling, visiting recruits. Yes they do a little more effort there but thats only about 20% of a HC's job. Not saying a 63 year old cant recruit. Its just a valid concern.
 
_THEU_ is the same ******* that was supporting Golden not too long ago on these boards.

I wasnt supporting AG i was supporting the team. And i said buyout buyout was a major issue. Get your facts straight. Big difference than being a disloyal piece of **** boycotting the program and negative recruiting, hoping for losses than supporting AG.

How in the name of ****ing **** can you type "supporting the team" and inference that to supporting Golden, whether directly or indirectly.

Just shut up already dude. Losses in the current state of things are the ONLY thing giving us HOPE at MAYBE getting rid of that piece of garbage.

We just see things completely different. I dont see how u even can care about our future when your rooting for losses. If you really love the U enough and care you would never openly root against the program. Your not a true fan.

No **** we don't see things on the same level. Not only are YOU not a fan...but you're ****ing idiot.

I think your 15 minute break from Subway is over go back to work scumbag. Anybody who openly roots against the Canes is a piece of ****. Im sure you've never even played a minute as a student athlete either.
 
1 big issue with Butch is his age. He's 63, which in recruiting is a major negative. If you bring him in, gotta expect him to be here atleast 5 years. That puts him almost 70. Sorry but a 70 year old just doesnt have the energy motivation to run a program and recruit with these young guns. While he would be a great leader and coach i just dont think he has it in him at his age. I know Saban is similar age but hes been doing it year in year out and has build such a rep players line up to play for Bama. Doesnt take nearly as much.

Art Briles in 59. Les Miles is 61. Shoot, with Jim Larranaga at 65 and Jim Morris at 64, Butch would be the junior coach in age. Bring him on. 60 is the new 50.
 
I wouldn't hate the Butch hire as much as I hated the Shannon hire when it happened...but I'm old enough to remember just how bad a gameday coach Butch is. I'm thoroughly convinced 3/4 of this board has come down with a bad case of selective amnesia.


Butch's teams were ready to play, and that's the most important aspect of gameday coaching.

All of the micro decisions that go into coaching can always be scrutinized. Every Sunday you'll see smart coaches make asinine decisions. My favorite moment was when Les Miles frantically tried to call a timeout after an INTERCEPTION. An assistant coach basically had to tackle him.

Give me a team loaded with talent that's ready to play.
 
Jedi- I remember well, but Butch evolved with time and ultimately was able to use his strength as a talent evaluator to field better horses than our opponents which secured victory more times than not. That helped his play-calling. He just had better talent to work with. If he's here, SoFla will be locked down. That's half the battle.

In the interval time since he was here, he's coached more, learned more I would guess, networked more, etc. I think he would be successful.

If I'm Butch, I would also somehow set this up for Coley or Dorsey to take over somewhere downstream if they prove themselves and when he's ready to step down.

Eh....dude I can't get on board with this.

First off, I'm thoroughly of the opinion Coley isn't a great OC. I think he's got a future as a HC...he's definitely got the charisma, personality, and demeanor of a HC...but he's not an X's and O's guy and with a guy like Butch you'd need a STRONG OC. I can't even stress that enough.

I've been watching football longer than I care to admit...if there's one thing I've taken from all the years is that conservative coaches live and die by their conservative nature. They keep that **** forever like luggage.

Like I stated earlier...I wouldn't be anywhere near as mad as I was the day we hired Shannon (and those that came from Grassy will remember that I and mapcane were both openly against that hire from day 1)....but I wouldn't be jumping for joy either. Butch is ridiculously overrated on these boards as a HC. He's a great recruiter....I'll leave it at that.
 
I get what your saying but the reality is assistants dont do more work, its not even close. Im not just talking about texting, calling, visiting recruits. Yes they do a little more effort there but thats only about 20% of a HC's job. Not saying a 63 year old cant recruit. Its just a valid concern.


Expound on this because it's vague right now.

Your point about Butch's age was in relation to recruiting. Are you saying he's not going to have the desire to watch film or go to games?
 
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So according to ___THEU___, Davis's 63 years is more of a detriment than Saban's 63 years. Makes sense.

_THEU_ is the same ******* that was supporting Golden not too long ago on these boards.

I wasnt supporting AG i was supporting the team. And i said buyout buyout was a major issue. Get your facts straight. Big difference than being a disloyal piece of **** boycotting the program and negative recruiting, hoping for losses than supporting AG.

How in the name of ****ing **** can you type "supporting the team" and inference that to supporting Golden, whether directly or indirectly.

Just shut up already dude. Losses in the current state of things are the ONLY thing giving us HOPE at MAYBE getting rid of that piece of garbage.

We just see things completely different. I dont see how u even can care about our future when your rooting for losses. If you really love the U enough and care you would never openly root against the program. Your not a true fan.

Really? Recruiting is your biggest reason for not wanting butch?

Newsflash. All Butch has to do to turn in a top 5 class is let his reputation do the talking for him. The only words out of his mouth need to be "I built the 2001 Hurricanes, the greatet team of all time. Come play for me and I'll make you the next Ed Reed / Reggie Wayne / Jeremy Shockey / etc

He's good for at least two top 5 classes in a row on his reputation in South Florida alone. Perception is reality in the world of sales and recruiting, after all.

Then what you do is you structure his contract so he has a low buyout, and if he washes out, you replace him in a few years after he's stacked the roster. Then some young coach can come in and win a title with Butch's players.
 
It's incredible that these egotistical ******** put themselves over the program. Bringing Butch back would inject an incredible buzz into this program and have us competing for titles in several years.
 
I get what your saying but the reality is assistants dont do more work, its not even close. Im not just talking about texting, calling, visiting recruits. Yes they do a little more effort there but thats only about 20% of a HC's job. Not saying a 63 year old cant recruit. Its just a valid concern.


Expound on this because it's vague right now.

Your point about Butch's age was in relation to recruiting. Are you saying he's not going to have the desire to watch film or go to games?

Its everything that it takes to jump into a program. These older coaches are already established. They've been scouting/recruiting these kids for 3-4 years on some of them. Butch has been out of coaching and hasnt developed these relationships so its hard to think he jumps right in and scoops up top recruits. He will need to put in alot of work watching film, going to games, texting/calling recruits let alone traveling around for in home visits. Takes alot of fighting. On top of that he will need to put together and entirely new staff. Lota effort/work there trying to lure guys away from other programs/hire new guys that he hasnt worked with. He will need to be more hands on than usual with guys that hes not familiar with. Thats just getting started and caught up. Then you actually have to coach, recruit, scheme, film work on opponents on a daily basis. Not saying he cant do it but its a concern.
 
I spoke with Butch 18 months ago for a while. He flat out told me he wanted to coach at Miami again, that he regretted leaving, that in retrospect it was his biggest mistake, that he was upset about how things transpired back then, and that he believes he could have had a dynasty at Miami.

He then asked me how plugged in I was with boosters to make it happen. Lol. I told him I lived in Tampa and wasn't particularly connected with our football program, but that there were many of us that would support his return.

Interesting in that I came away thinking that he's had a lot of time to reflect on things that had happened and was sincere. I do believe that his cancer diagnosis, treatment, and subsequent recovery, have played a role in his current mindset. More sincere and more mature than I ever recalled him being back then. Just comes with time and experience I guess.

I've also talked to Schiano also. I'm pretty sure he would come as well. He's built for the college game. He's all in as a coach and always trying to hone his skill set. My $.02 are that he would be a successful coach at Miami.

Lastly and more an anecdote than anything else, I've talked to Gruden. He always denies having had any interest in Miami but does so with a smile. More of an opinion of mine than what was directly told to me, but I think Jay Gruden would come here if things don't work out in Cincy based on conversations I've had with other local people around me.

#butchistheanswer

This makes me sad
 
I get what your saying but the reality is assistants dont do more work, its not even close. Im not just talking about texting, calling, visiting recruits. Yes they do a little more effort there but thats only about 20% of a HC's job. Not saying a 63 year old cant recruit. Its just a valid concern.


Expound on this because it's vague right now.

Your point about Butch's age was in relation to recruiting. Are you saying he's not going to have the desire to watch film or go to games?

Its everything that it takes to jump into a program. These older coaches are already established. They've been scouting/recruiting these kids for 3-4 years on some of them. Butch has been out of coaching and hasnt developed these relationships so its hard to think he jumps right in and scoops up top recruits. He will need to put in alot of work watching film, going to games, texting/calling recruits let alone traveling around for in home visits. Takes alot of fighting. On top of that he will need to put together and entirely new staff. Lota effort/work there trying to lure guys away from other programs/hire new guys that he hasnt worked with. He will need to be more hands on than usual with guys that hes not familiar with. Thats just getting started and caught up. Then you actually have to coach, recruit, scheme, film work on opponents on a daily basis. Not saying he cant do it but its a concern.


He hasn't been out the game THAT long. Plus he knows the lay of the land. With his experience and NFL contacts, I don't doubt for a second he could put a good staff together, especially with the groundswell of support he'll have, i.e. $$$.

No doubt he's ready to dive back in. He wants this job BADLY.
 
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Jim Larrañaga is 65

NCAAB is way different. Your dealing with a roster of 15 players and recruit a handful each year as apposed to 80 players on team, scouting/recruiting hundreds each season. Let alone game plans, plays, scheming for teams.

It appears to me we haven't created a cogent game plan or properly schemed for teams in years anyway. On that front, Butch could literally do nothing, bring in an aggressive front and possibly get better results. Also, he doesn't have to worry about in-game adjustments, since we clearly don't bother with those either.
 
1 big issue with Butch is his age. He's 63, which in recruiting is a major negative. If you bring him in, gotta expect him to be here atleast 5 years. That puts him almost 70. Sorry but a 70 year old just doesnt have the energy motivation to run a program and recruit with these young guns. While he would be a great leader and coach i just dont think he has it in him at his age. I know Saban is similar age but hes been doing it year in year out and has build such a rep players line up to play for Bama. Doesnt take nearly as much.

Art Briles in 59. Les Miles is 61. Shoot, with Jim Larranaga at 65 and Jim Morris at 64, Butch would be the junior coach in age. Bring him on. 60 is the new 50.

Saban is 63!
 
If I'm Not Mistaken He's 61 Same Age As Saban And Coach L.



1 big issue with Butch is his age. He's 63, which in recruiting is a major negative. If you bring him in, gotta expect him to be here atleast 5 years. That puts him almost 70. Sorry but a 70 year old just doesnt have the energy motivation to run a program and recruit with these young guns. While he would be a great leader and coach i just dont think he has it in him at his age. I know Saban is similar age but hes been doing it year in year out and has build such a rep players line up to play for Bama. Doesnt take nearly as much.
 
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