NFL Brian Flores Suing NFL for Discrimination

You just don't get it, do you.

He was interviewed after they already picked their guy. And only interviewed him to complete to the rooney rule.

You know what, don't even respond, I'm not finna argue with a **** fool. Just keep spinning and white knightin, not today, Satan.

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No I get it - I think he has a legit chance to win and because he has some proof - he has the BB text messages. I am 100% for him on this. I don't think they followed their own rules. I don't know about any of the rest of the stuff a lot of people are throwing out there but it doesn't appear they followed their own rules in good faith. Why didn't they follow their own rules - we will probably never really know.
 
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You obviously don’t understand how hard it is to prove someone’s motivations in a court of law….and how your opinion of what happened is different than proving it

When you have text messages from Bill Belicheat 3 days before your job interview with him mistakenly congratulating you (Brian Flores) for obtaining a job that eventually went to a different Brian (Brian Daboll), and which includes Bill Belicheat apologizing and acknowledging he sent it to the wrong Brian, it becomes much, much easier to establish a timeline of events.

Then consider the proportionality determination that occurs throughout the broad-ranging discovery process in federal court generally, and combine it with the fact that a federal court judge in the SDNY has already been provided (on the face of the Class-Action Complaint) evidence to suggest the interview itself was a sham. This will likely result in SEVERAL NFL executives and coaches having to turn over e-mails, text messages, and telephone records related to Flores's claims and the NYG HC job (and we have already learned from John Gruden how flippantly these guys communicate with one another in writing) during discovery. And should Flores's attorneys find additional evidence to corroborate the allegations in his Complaint during that process (e.g., communications from NYG executives/front office that Daboll would be hired, prior to Flores's interview), it will become a lot easier to prove by the preponderance of the evidence that the NYG participated in a discriminatory hiring based on race.

Sorry but you’re a child and have zero knowledge of the legal system. The nfl rule, however we’ll intentioned, does not mean it is the same as the law. If what you say were true, literally anyone in the entire country that doesn’t interview a minority candidate for a position would be guilty of workplace discrimination. In other words, If not interviewing a minority for a position was actually against the law, the Rooney rule wouldn’t even be needed because it would just be redundant. Get it yet? Probably not

To state a claim for discrimination in hiring, a HC essentially needs to show he is a member of a protected class (here, race) who applied for and was qualified for a HC position, was rejected, and the position was filled by a non-minority candidate (this can vary depending on state law claims vs. Section 1981 claims vs. Title VII claims, but the nuances in the burden of proof aren't critical for our discussion at this point). To be clear, Flores is not filing a lawsuit "for violation of the Rooney Rule." That would be asinine. Instead, Flores's lawsuit very clearly asserts violations of 42 USC Section 1981, NJ's Law Against Discrimination, NY's Human Rights Law, NYC's Human Rights Law, and states it will later be amended to include a count for violation of Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 (because there is a legal requirement that prior bringing a claim for violation of Title VII, a putative plaintiff must first bring a charge of discrimination before the EEOC and receive a determination on that charge, in what is typically called a "right to sue letter"). Flores (and his attorneys) are using the NYG and NFL's apparent disregard of the Rooney Rule (it's own rule, meant to curtail discriminatory hiring practices in the NFL, BTW) as evidence of an intent to discriminate on the basis of race in the hiring of HCs like Flores.

Whether Flores can prove his case or not remains to be seen. But that's the lawsuit, in a nutshell. A violation of two federal statutes, one state statute, and one city ordinance re: discrimination in employment.
 
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#1 - he is right.
#2 - good luck proving this.
#3 - hope he gets some others involved that have some harder receipts

There is ONE black head coach in the NFL right now. ONE. Wild.
 
First of all Black athletes have allowed the collegiate and professional institutions/establishments to openly exclude them from leadership and decision making positions for years. They continue to be enamored with being led exclusively by the ruling class, showing no regard for the few Black college coaches by signing with them. For example IMO. if ****** cats were the majority of the best players they would be signing with schools that showed fairness to their people.

Now, Super Bowl, is the perfect time for NFL players to make these two weeks all about exposing and demanding real considerations for HC, OC and DC jobs. No matter what the question, speak to the inequalities and speak about "nothing" else. Let it be known you are not as enthused because the realities of inequalities within our league has been exposed again and thrown into your face again. If you do that all week(s) during their most watched game nationally and internationally the owners will have to take real actions. If you do not affect their bottom line or public image the establishment will continue unfair practices.
 
We need more MEN like this who stood for something.
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When you have text messages from Bill Belicheat 3 days before your job interview with him mistakenly congratulating you (Brian Flores) for obtaining a job that eventually went to a different Brian (Brian Daboll), and which includes Bill Belicheat apologizing and acknowledging he sent it to the wrong Brian, it becomes much, much easier to establish a timeline of events.

Then consider the proportionality determination that occurs throughout the broad-ranging discovery process in federal court generally, and combine it with the fact that a federal court judge in the SDNY has already been provided (on the face of the Class-Action Complaint) evidence to suggest the interview itself was a sham. This will likely result in SEVERAL NFL executives and coaches having to turn over e-mails, text messages, and telephone records related to Flores's claims and the NYG HC job (and we have already learned from John Gruden how flippantly these guys communicate with one another in writing) during discovery. And should Flores's attorneys find additional evidence to corroborate the allegations in his Complaint during that process (e.g., communications from NYG executives/front office that Daboll would be hired, prior to Flores's interview), it will become a lot easier to prove by the preponderance of the evidence that the NYG participated in a discriminatory hiring based on race.



To state a claim for discrimination in hiring, a HC essentially needs to show he is a member of a protected class (here, race) who applied for and was qualified for a HC position, was rejected, and the position was filled by a non-minority candidate (this can vary depending on state law claims vs. Section 1981 claims vs. Title VII claims, but the nuances in the burden of proof aren't critical for our discussion at this point). To be clear, Flores is not filing a lawsuit "for violation of the Rooney Rule." That would be asinine. Instead, Flores's lawsuit very clearly asserts violations of 42 USC Section 1981, NJ's Law Against Discrimination, NY's Human Rights Law, NYC's Human Rights Law, and states it will later be amended to include a count for violation of Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 (because there is a legal requirement that prior bringing a claim for violation of Title VII, a putative plaintiff must first bring a charge of discrimination before the EEOC and receive a determination on that charge, in what is typically called a "right to sue letter"). Flores (and his attorneys) are using the NYG and NFL's apparent disregard of the Rooney Rule (it's own rule, meant to curtail discriminatory hiring practices in the NFL, BTW) as evidence of an intent to discriminate on the basis of race in the hiring of HCs like Flores.

Whether Flores can prove his case or not remains to be seen. But that's the lawsuit, in a nutshell. A violation of two federal statutes, one state statute, and one city ordinance re: discrimination in employment.
Welp now you can zip your pants back up. Well played.
 
There is ONE black head coach in the NFL right now. ONE. Wild.

I still think it's hilarious that the NFL thinks that giving a 3rd round pick to the team that LOSES a minority assistant coach is a hiring incentive. And if a team hires a minority from the other teams front office, that also gives the losing team a 3rd round pick. Two 3rd round picks is basically equivalent to a 2nd rounder. What kind of backwards-*** logic did they use for this? If a team is looking at minority and non-minority candidates that are similarly qualified for a HC and GM job, why in the **** would they hire the candidates that would give ANOTHER team what amounts to a 2nd round pick?
 
I'd be curious to know the actual stats behind the Rooney Rule. I'm sure most franchises have a pretty solid idea of what coach they want to hire before they even consider who they're firing. I'd be interested to know how many, if any of the minority coaches went on the actually interview so well that they've changed an GM or owners mind on their original plan A.
Cant be that many . . . clearly . . . its white supremacy plain and simple. I hope Brian Flores wins big.
 
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Its class action, so it isn't just about Flores. The NFL has discriminated the entire time.
 
When you have text messages from Bill Belicheat 3 days before your job interview with him mistakenly congratulating you (Brian Flores) for obtaining a job that eventually went to a different Brian (Brian Daboll), and which includes Bill Belicheat apologizing and acknowledging he sent it to the wrong Brian, it becomes much, much easier to establish a timeline of events.

Then consider the proportionality determination that occurs throughout the broad-ranging discovery process in federal court generally, and combine it with the fact that a federal court judge in the SDNY has already been provided (on the face of the Class-Action Complaint) evidence to suggest the interview itself was a sham. This will likely result in SEVERAL NFL executives and coaches having to turn over e-mails, text messages, and telephone records related to Flores's claims and the NYG HC job (and we have already learned from John Gruden how flippantly these guys communicate with one another in writing) during discovery. And should Flores's attorneys find additional evidence to corroborate the allegations in his Complaint during that process (e.g., communications from NYG executives/front office that Daboll would be hired, prior to Flores's interview), it will become a lot easier to prove by the preponderance of the evidence that the NYG participated in a discriminatory hiring based on race.



To state a claim for discrimination in hiring, a HC essentially needs to show he is a member of a protected class (here, race) who applied for and was qualified for a HC position, was rejected, and the position was filled by a non-minority candidate (this can vary depending on state law claims vs. Section 1981 claims vs. Title VII claims, but the nuances in the burden of proof aren't critical for our discussion at this point). To be clear, Flores is not filing a lawsuit "for violation of the Rooney Rule." That would be asinine. Instead, Flores's lawsuit very clearly asserts violations of 42 USC Section 1981, NJ's Law Against Discrimination, NY's Human Rights Law, NYC's Human Rights Law, and states it will later be amended to include a count for violation of Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 (because there is a legal requirement that prior bringing a claim for violation of Title VII, a putative plaintiff must first bring a charge of discrimination before the EEOC and receive a determination on that charge, in what is typically called a "right to sue letter"). Flores (and his attorneys) are using the NYG and NFL's apparent disregard of the Rooney Rule (it's own rule, meant to curtail discriminatory hiring practices in the NFL, BTW) as evidence of an intent to discriminate on the basis of race in the hiring of HCs like Flores.

Whether Flores can prove his case or not remains to be seen. But that's the lawsuit, in a nutshell. A violation of two federal statutes, one state statute, and one city ordinance re: discrimination in employment.
When the class isn't certified, the defense attorneys are gonna fight tooth and nail for those fees
 
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When you have text messages from Bill Belicheat 3 days before your job interview with him mistakenly congratulating you (Brian Flores) for obtaining a job that eventually went to a different Brian (Brian Daboll), and which includes Bill Belicheat apologizing and acknowledging he sent it to the wrong Brian, it becomes much, much easier to establish a timeline of events.

Then consider the proportionality determination that occurs throughout the broad-ranging discovery process in federal court generally, and combine it with the fact that a federal court judge in the SDNY has already been provided (on the face of the Class-Action Complaint) evidence to suggest the interview itself was a sham. This will likely result in SEVERAL NFL executives and coaches having to turn over e-mails, text messages, and telephone records related to Flores's claims and the NYG HC job (and we have already learned from John Gruden how flippantly these guys communicate with one another in writing) during discovery. And should Flores's attorneys find additional evidence to corroborate the allegations in his Complaint during that process (e.g., communications from NYG executives/front office that Daboll would be hired, prior to Flores's interview), it will become a lot easier to prove by the preponderance of the evidence that the NYG participated in a discriminatory hiring based on race.



To state a claim for discrimination in hiring, a HC essentially needs to show he is a member of a protected class (here, race) who applied for and was qualified for a HC position, was rejected, and the position was filled by a non-minority candidate (this can vary depending on state law claims vs. Section 1981 claims vs. Title VII claims, but the nuances in the burden of proof aren't critical for our discussion at this point). To be clear, Flores is not filing a lawsuit "for violation of the Rooney Rule." That would be asinine. Instead, Flores's lawsuit very clearly asserts violations of 42 USC Section 1981, NJ's Law Against Discrimination, NY's Human Rights Law, NYC's Human Rights Law, and states it will later be amended to include a count for violation of Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 (because there is a legal requirement that prior bringing a claim for violation of Title VII, a putative plaintiff must first bring a charge of discrimination before the EEOC and receive a determination on that charge, in what is typically called a "right to sue letter"). Flores (and his attorneys) are using the NYG and NFL's apparent disregard of the Rooney Rule (it's own rule, meant to curtail discriminatory hiring practices in the NFL, BTW) as evidence of an intent to discriminate on the basis of race in the hiring of HCs like Flores.

Whether Flores can prove his case or not remains to be seen. But that's the lawsuit, in a nutshell. A violation of two federal statutes, one state statute, and one city ordinance re: discrimination in employment.
I’m not disagreeing but there a lots of questions to be answered. how does bb supposedly have Inside knowledge of who ny was hiring and when it was decided? They would have to prove that the decision was in fact made when bb sent that text, but again what connection does he have to the nyg org outside of something he heard, aka rumor/hearsay. If bb can point the finger at receiving that info from my brass, then yes that looks bad. Outside of that the text is basically meaningless. Good theatre and headlines though.
Who else was interviewed and when also go a long way to the ny case. If another minority was interviewed for the job before the text or before daboll, can it honestly be argued that the nyg were discriminating based on race?
Also, if we agree that the Rooney rule is not law and not why the lawsuit has been initiated, then Flores has almost no case in this specific situation based on what we know now because it is not discriminatory, in a legal sense, to hire a white man without first interviewing a black man. That in itself does not prove illegal discrimination. Lots of people on here apparently think it does. That violates the Rooney rule but does not prove that they have illegal discriminatory hiring practices. That is a self imposed rule by the nfl, not a legal requirement. If it’s shown that this is part of a larger pattern , then yes Flores has more of a case but again this all has to be proven, and I’m sure that is the target of the class action.
This is all stuff I have already stated for the most part
 
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When the class isn't certified, the defense attorneys are gonna fight tooth and nail for those fees
Yup, and the class almost certainly won't be certified. Good luck meeting the Rule 23 requirements in an employment discrimination lawsuit involving different coaches dealing with different teams who ultimately hired different HCs over a broad span of time.
 
I'd be curious to know the actual stats behind the Rooney Rule. I'm sure most franchises have a pretty solid idea of what coach they want to hire before they even consider who they're firing. I'd be interested to know how many, if any of the minority coaches went on the actually interview so well that they've changed an GM or owners mind on their original plan A.
The end result of the Rooney Rule is that in the nearly 20 years its been around, there have been like 20 black head coaches, a few of which have a second stint somewhere (like Romeo Crennel or Lovie Smith).

Some might think that's good, and progressive. Me...its embarrassingly low. The NFL is without shame.

If you look at some of those "Hot Head Coaches for 2022!" lists, there are between 9 and 15 black coordinators and assistants on those lists. None are getting jobs as of this post. Its pretty embarrassing.
 
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The end result of the Rooney Rule is that in the nearly 20 years its been around, there have been like 20 black head coaches, a few of which have a second stint somewhere (like Romeo Crennel or Lovie Smith).

Some might think that's good, and progressive. Me...its embarrassingly low. The NFL is without shame.

It just blows me away that in a results based business there would still be that type of thinking. I can’t wrap my head around letting skin color get in the way of winning. White, black, green, idgaf as long as we win.
 
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