Blaming the good players

[Andrew]

KAAYA DOES NOT HAVE AN O-LINE !!!! IT'S LIKE POLAND FELT WHEN THE GERMAN ARMY
ROLLED THEM OVER. IN SHORT, GIVE THE KID A BREAK AND GET HIM PROTECTION !!!!!!!

Less sacks than the Alabama, Ole Miss and LSU QB's.

That's a credit to Kaaya.

Yep. That's great IQ and awareness to know when he needs to get rid of the ball.

I don't agree with this. More than once this season I have watched Kaaya get sacked 6 seconds into a play.

I haven't blamed Kaaya for any of the loses and never said he was a bad QB. I just don't see a future first round pick. Like I have said multiple times the best I see is a 6th round pick.

He isn't aggressive enough and doesn't have the arm speed to be an NFL QB right now. I hope that changes but it isn't there yet.

Why is it acceptable to blame his OL and trash those guys when 3 of those guys are the same year as him?

 

[Andrew]

Answer this

If Brad was a senior and his freshman and sophomore season were his junior and senior season, where would he be drafted? What is his current skill set, not projected?

That's the problem, he isn't a jr or sr. Let the guy develop. This fan base is so impatient. If a true frosh qb isn't putting the program on his back and winning big games he sucks. Let the **** guy grow and develop.

I guess I was asking how much more does he have to develop to be a NFL QB. I get the point he is a sophomore and progression can be measured between years, so at what point does he need to get to. Is he NFL ready now or are we projecting?

**** no he isn't nfl ready. Don't know how long it will take it depends on the player. Winston played as a red-shirt frosh, paxton lynch at memphis is a red-shirt jr. Andrew luck left stanford after his rs jr season and cam was a rsjr.

You see there is a pattern. All those guys had a year to just be in the weight room and develop their body and game. Kaaya didn't have that.

He completed 58.5% of his passes last year and is a 61.7% this year. If continued at this pace he should be at 66-67% next year. You should see a leap in year 3 and if not then you can start questioning him.

Good, so one can expect performance increases over the next 2 years. It may have not happened between his fresh and soph season but I do agree you could progress into a NFL QB.

 

[252cane]

KAAYA DOES NOT HAVE AN O-LINE !!!! IT'S LIKE POLAND FELT WHEN THE GERMAN ARMY
ROLLED THEM OVER. IN SHORT, GIVE THE KID A BREAK AND GET HIM PROTECTION !!!!!!!

Less sacks than the Alabama, Ole Miss and LSU QB's.

That's a credit to Kaaya.

Yep. That's great IQ and awareness to know when he needs to get rid of the ball.

I don't agree with this. More than once this season I have watched Kaaya get sacked 6 seconds into a play.

I haven't blamed Kaaya for any of the loses and never said he was a bad QB. I just don't see a future first round pick. Like I have said multiple times the best I see is a 6th round pick.

He isn't aggressive enough and doesn't have the arm speed to be an NFL QB right now. I hope that changes but it isn't there yet.

Why is it acceptable to blame his OL and trash those guys when 3 of those guys are the same year as him?

Because those guys allowed their qb to get sacked and suffer a concussion on a **** 2 man rush. You are not going to avoid every sack but this o-line has allowed a lot of pressure. So why hasn't kaaya been actually sacked more if it's not good awareness on his part.

 

[252cane]

Answer this

If Brad was a senior and his freshman and sophomore season were his junior and senior season, where would he be drafted? What is his current skill set, not projected?

That's the problem, he isn't a jr or sr. Let the guy develop. This fan base is so impatient. If a true frosh qb isn't putting the program on his back and winning big games he sucks. Let the **** guy grow and develop.

I guess I was asking how much more does he have to develop to be a NFL QB. I get the point he is a sophomore and progression can be measured between years, so at what point does he need to get to. Is he NFL ready now or are we projecting?

**** no he isn't nfl ready. Don't know how long it will take it depends on the player. Winston played as a red-shirt frosh, paxton lynch at memphis is a red-shirt jr. Andrew luck left stanford after his rs jr season and cam was a rsjr.

You see there is a pattern. All those guys had a year to just be in the weight room and develop their body and game. Kaaya didn't have that.

He completed 58.5% of his passes last year and is a 61.7% this year. If continued at this pace he should be at 66-67% next year. You should see a leap in year 3 and if not then you can start questioning him.

Good, so one can expect performance increases over the next 2 years. It may have not happened between his fresh and soph season but I do agree you could progress into a NFL QB.

He has progressed this year man. All his numbers are better except td passes. You can also clearly see improvement with his decision making and his mechanics.

 

[rsa coral gables]

I don't see people saying Kaaya sucks. The point is Kaaya isn't the QB a lot of porsters said he was. Kaaya is a good QB and his numbers suggest that. Nothing about his numbers this year suggest he is great, elite or a 1st round talent. The performance on the field didn't improve from his freshman season, they got worse.

this may be true, but imho it is attributable more to (a) losing dorsett, walford and duke and (b) a less than average OL.

 

[Andrew]

Less sacks than the Alabama, Ole Miss and LSU QB's.

That's a credit to Kaaya.

Yep. That's great IQ and awareness to know when he needs to get rid of the ball.

I don't agree with this. More than once this season I have watched Kaaya get sacked 6 seconds into a play.

I haven't blamed Kaaya for any of the loses and never said he was a bad QB. I just don't see a future first round pick. Like I have said multiple times the best I see is a 6th round pick.

He isn't aggressive enough and doesn't have the arm speed to be an NFL QB right now. I hope that changes but it isn't there yet.

Why is it acceptable to blame his OL and trash those guys when 3 of those guys are the same year as him?

Because those guys allowed their qb to get sacked and suffer a concussion on a **** 2 man rush. You are not going to avoid every sack but this o-line has allowed a lot of pressure. So why hasn't kaaya been actually sacked more if it's not good awareness on his part.

Because our pass protection is average. He sure the **** doesn't have a lick of mobility.

The only things that has improved is TD/INT and COMP% but that came at the cost of a lot less touchdowns and less YPA. The only reason I see improvement here is Brad is very conservative.

At some point he needs to get more aggressive and make more difficult throws. His arm strength needs to improve or this could be a challenge. The point of an offense is to score points and not give away points. Brad does a good job at not giving up points but he needs to score more points.

Miami has very good skill position players. Our WR, TE, and RB can all catch and very few schools have a good as a group as we do. In my opinion a lot of Brad's success is because of this. Dorsey was a god at Miami but in reality he heavily benefited from having great players. Dorsey was a great college QB but never did much in the NFL. If Kaaya can turn out like Dorsey I would be thrilled. That being said for Brad to be the NFL QB so many on this board say he is he will need to put up much better numbers the next 2 years.

 

[Cane Dynasty]

Nice soliloquy OP. It still doesn't change the fact that Kaaya is nothing better than good.

Not great. Not elite. Not transcendent.

Rustle away kiddies.

 

[FullyERicht]

Nice soliloquy OP. It still doesn't change the fact that Kaaya is nothing better than good.

Not great. Not elite. Not transcendent.

Rustle away kiddies.

And you know this how? Based on the tremendous coaching he is receiving from FSU's little ***** boy recruiter?

 

[252cane]

That's a credit to Kaaya.

Yep. That's great IQ and awareness to know when he needs to get rid of the ball.

I don't agree with this. More than once this season I have watched Kaaya get sacked 6 seconds into a play.

I haven't blamed Kaaya for any of the loses and never said he was a bad QB. I just don't see a future first round pick. Like I have said multiple times the best I see is a 6th round pick.

He isn't aggressive enough and doesn't have the arm speed to be an NFL QB right now. I hope that changes but it isn't there yet.

Why is it acceptable to blame his OL and trash those guys when 3 of those guys are the same year as him?

Because those guys allowed their qb to get sacked and suffer a concussion on a **** 2 man rush. You are not going to avoid every sack but this o-line has allowed a lot of pressure. So why hasn't kaaya been actually sacked more if it's not good awareness on his part.

Because our pass protection is average. He sure the **** doesn't have a lick of mobility.

The only things that has improved is TD/INT and COMP% but that came at the cost of a lot less touchdowns and less YPA. The only reason I see improvement here is Brad is very conservative.

At some point he needs to get more aggressive and make more difficult throws. His arm strength needs to improve or this could be a challenge. The point of an offense is to score points and not give away points. Brad does a good job at not giving up points but he needs to score more points.

Miami has very good skill position players. Our WR, TE, and RB can all catch and very few schools have a good as a group as we do. In my opinion a lot of Brad's success is because of this. Dorsey was a god at Miami but in reality he heavily benefited from having great players. Dorsey was a great college QB but never did much in the NFL. If Kaaya can turn out like Dorsey I would be thrilled. That being said for Brad to be the NFL QB so many on this board say he is he will need to put up much better numbers the next 2 years.

He has good arm strength. Dorsett caught plenty of deep balls from him last year. You want him to be more aggressive but you have a offense that by design is conservative.

They are not going down field as much as last year when dorsett was here and the offense gets extremely conservative in the red zone and that's why more tds are not being scored.

What is kaaya supposed to do if you are in the red zone and it's 3rd and 10 and the coach calls a run play? Or 3rd n 6 and he calls a draw play?

 

[252cane]

And when kaaya makes that leap next year i don't want to see anybody acting like they are supportive of him then. Keep trashing him just like you did duke.

 

[gogeta4]

If he went to OSU or Alabama, he wouldn't have seen the field yet.

Only in Miami do we bring in true freshman to start at quarterback from game 1 and expect to have success.

Brad Kayaa starts day 1 at Bama. About three of out wrs play over their guys. Bama skills other than Rb aren't that great and their qb routinely sucks. Every wr from s.fla that goes there starts from day one.

Ridley, and the bum they have at qb that was the water boy at fsu is exact confirmation

 

[TRock305]

Wait a minute, why won't he dive for a loose ball?

 

[Cane Dynasty]

Nice soliloquy OP. It still doesn't change the fact that Kaaya is nothing better than good.

Not great. Not elite. Not transcendent.

Rustle away kiddies.

And you know this how? Based on the tremendous coaching he is receiving from FSU's little ***** boy recruiter?

40+ years of watching football with intent.

 

[FullyERicht]

Nice soliloquy OP. It still doesn't change the fact that Kaaya is nothing better than good.

Not great. Not elite. Not transcendent.

Rustle away kiddies.

And you know this how? Based on the tremendous coaching he is receiving from FSU's little ***** boy recruiter?

40+ years of watching football with intent.

LOL in your 40 years have you ever seen a coaching staff as bad as this one? How about we wait until this kid doesn't have a horrible Razor Ramon impersonator coaching him?

 

[Andrew]

Yep. That's great IQ and awareness to know when he needs to get rid of the ball.

I don't agree with this. More than once this season I have watched Kaaya get sacked 6 seconds into a play.

I haven't blamed Kaaya for any of the loses and never said he was a bad QB. I just don't see a future first round pick. Like I have said multiple times the best I see is a 6th round pick.

He isn't aggressive enough and doesn't have the arm speed to be an NFL QB right now. I hope that changes but it isn't there yet.

Why is it acceptable to blame his OL and trash those guys when 3 of those guys are the same year as him?

Because those guys allowed their qb to get sacked and suffer a concussion on a **** 2 man rush. You are not going to avoid every sack but this o-line has allowed a lot of pressure. So why hasn't kaaya been actually sacked more if it's not good awareness on his part.

Because our pass protection is average. He sure the **** doesn't have a lick of mobility.

The only things that has improved is TD/INT and COMP% but that came at the cost of a lot less touchdowns and less YPA. The only reason I see improvement here is Brad is very conservative.

At some point he needs to get more aggressive and make more difficult throws. His arm strength needs to improve or this could be a challenge. The point of an offense is to score points and not give away points. Brad does a good job at not giving up points but he needs to score more points.

Miami has very good skill position players. Our WR, TE, and RB can all catch and very few schools have a good as a group as we do. In my opinion a lot of Brad's success is because of this. Dorsey was a god at Miami but in reality he heavily benefited from having great players. Dorsey was a great college QB but never did much in the NFL. If Kaaya can turn out like Dorsey I would be thrilled. That being said for Brad to be the NFL QB so many on this board say he is he will need to put up much better numbers the next 2 years.

He has good arm strength. Dorsett caught plenty of deep balls from him last year. You want him to be more aggressive but you have a offense that by design is conservative.

They are not going down field as much as last year when dorsett was here and the offense gets extremely conservative in the red zone and that's why more tds are not being scored.

What is kaaya supposed to do if you are in the red zone and it's 3rd and 10 and the coach calls a run play? Or 3rd n 6 and he calls a draw play?

I don't have the data but I don't recall a lot of run plays 3rd and 10 in the red zone. Since you agree he was very conservative (regardless if it was coaching). Would you agree being more aggressive could cause a negative effect on his TD/INT ratio and COMP%? It would certainly lead to more TD's as a positive.

 

[252cane]

I don't agree with this. More than once this season I have watched Kaaya get sacked 6 seconds into a play.

I haven't blamed Kaaya for any of the loses and never said he was a bad QB. I just don't see a future first round pick. Like I have said multiple times the best I see is a 6th round pick.

He isn't aggressive enough and doesn't have the arm speed to be an NFL QB right now. I hope that changes but it isn't there yet.

Why is it acceptable to blame his OL and trash those guys when 3 of those guys are the same year as him?

Because those guys allowed their qb to get sacked and suffer a concussion on a **** 2 man rush. You are not going to avoid every sack but this o-line has allowed a lot of pressure. So why hasn't kaaya been actually sacked more if it's not good awareness on his part.

Because our pass protection is average. He sure the **** doesn't have a lick of mobility.

The only things that has improved is TD/INT and COMP% but that came at the cost of a lot less touchdowns and less YPA. The only reason I see improvement here is Brad is very conservative.

At some point he needs to get more aggressive and make more difficult throws. His arm strength needs to improve or this could be a challenge. The point of an offense is to score points and not give away points. Brad does a good job at not giving up points but he needs to score more points.

Miami has very good skill position players. Our WR, TE, and RB can all catch and very few schools have a good as a group as we do. In my opinion a lot of Brad's success is because of this. Dorsey was a god at Miami but in reality he heavily benefited from having great players. Dorsey was a great college QB but never did much in the NFL. If Kaaya can turn out like Dorsey I would be thrilled. That being said for Brad to be the NFL QB so many on this board say he is he will need to put up much better numbers the next 2 years.

He has good arm strength. Dorsett caught plenty of deep balls from him last year. You want him to be more aggressive but you have a offense that by design is conservative.

They are not going down field as much as last year when dorsett was here and the offense gets extremely conservative in the red zone and that's why more tds are not being scored.

What is kaaya supposed to do if you are in the red zone and it's 3rd and 10 and the coach calls a run play? Or 3rd n 6 and he calls a draw play?

I don't have the data but I don't recall a lot of run plays 3rd and 10 in the red zone. Since you agree he was very conservative (regardless if it was coaching). Would you agree being more aggressive could cause a negative effect on his TD/INT ratio and COMP%? It would certainly lead to more TD's as a positive.

Not really. It's all about decision making and accuracy. I think he would have more tds and he may have a couple more picks but i think he would keep it below 10.

Look at last year offense. He was pushing the ball down field to dorsett, down the middle of the field to walford.

Look at what happened when they started calling shots down field vs fsu. Look at the nebraska game they were pushing it downfield. When they have let him do it he has lit defenses up.

 

[prinmemo]

And when kaaya makes that leap next year i don't want to see anybody acting like they are supportive of him then. Keep trashing him just like you did duke.

+1

 

[Cane Dynasty]

Nice soliloquy OP. It still doesn't change the fact that Kaaya is nothing better than good.

Not great. Not elite. Not transcendent.

Rustle away kiddies.

And you know this how? Based on the tremendous coaching he is receiving from FSU's little ***** boy recruiter?

40+ years of watching football with intent.

LOL in your 40 years have you ever seen a coaching staff as bad as this one? How about we wait until this kid doesn't have a horrible Razor Ramon impersonator coaching him?

Yep I've actually seen worse staffs. I watch a ton of college football and have for decades.

Brad Kaaya is good QB. He isn't gonna take a team to the promised land. He just doesn't have what it takes.

He's a great transition from Snickers to who ever is next. That's about it.

 

[kendallcanes]

Kaaya might not even break the top 10 list of our all-time quarterbacks, but the slurping for him is unreal.

Dorsey, Gino, Vinny, Bernie, Walsh, Kelly, Erickson, Mira, ----- Harris, Berlin. I might even take SteveMo over him based on what I have seen from Kaaya so far. The quarterback touches the ball EVERY offensive play. He is the leader of the offense. The game is run through him. Let's call a spade a spade. He has already played 22 games (only 11 wins, 7 of which were meaningful). Where has he lead us? Until he can finish out games with wins, why shouldn't the criticism of him remain? He was 4-7 against quality opponents last year and is 3-4 so far this year. I have trouble slurping QBs that lose this much. Are we starting to see a trend?

The talk that he doesn't have an offensive line/running game only applies to this season. Last year, we were loaded on offense and the results were the same. Perhaps it may be directly linked to the poor coaching by Golden, Doritos, and Coley, but when I see his soft effort on the fumble play, and you look at his entire body of work, I just think this guy doesn't have the fire in him. If we replaced Kaaya with Gino, Vinny, Bernie, Kelly, or Dorsey, would they be 7-11 against quality opponents?

Next year we will find out a lot more about him with the new staff, but Kaaya should not be above criticism based on his performance so far.

 

[FullyERicht]

Kaaya might not even break the top 10 list of our all-time quarterbacks, but the slurping for him is unreal.

Dorsey, Gino, Vinny, Bernie, Walsh, Kelly, Erickson, Mira, ----- Harris, Berlin. I might even take SteveMo over him based on what I have seen from Kaaya so far. The quarterback touches the ball EVERY offensive play. He is the leader of the offense. The game is run through him. Let's call a spade a spade. He has already played 22 games (only 11 wins, 7 of which were meaningful). Where has he lead us? Until he can finish out games with wins, why shouldn't the criticism of him remain? He was 4-7 against quality opponents last year and is 3-4 so far this year. I have trouble slurping QBs that lose this much. Are we starting to see a trend?

The talk that he doesn't have an offensive line/running game only applies to this season. Last year, we were loaded on offense and the results were the same. Perhaps it may be directly linked to the poor coaching by Golden, Doritos, and Coley, but when I see his soft effort on the fumble play, and you look at his entire body of work, I just think this guy doesn't have the fire in him. If we replaced Kaaya with Gino, Vinny, Bernie, Kelly, or Dorsey, would they be 7-11 against quality opponents?

Next year we will find out a lot more about him with the new staff, but Kaaya should not be above criticism based on his performance so far.

I don't understand our fans. They acknowledge that guys like Golden and Corley are total jokes, but then aren't sure if they have a negative impact on player development? Do you realize how silly this is???