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Big Ten already suffering in recruiting: League coach claims prospect told him he plans to go to conference that 'supports football'

EaglesFan said:
I doubt the conference will be able to dictate to those schools whether they play or not. I think Nebraska will stick it to them if they can. Universities stand to lose millions by this decision. No one commissioner should have that much power.
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Nebraska can go back to the Big 12 and not only play, but reopen traditional recruiting sources....
 
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EaglesFan said:
Finding a new conference would be no problem for Nebraska. The BIG would have no leverage with that.

They left the Big 12 because of unequal revenue sharing. That’s no longer the case in the Big 12.
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Ok you win, but They are not playing a game this fall or leaving the Big 10. Nebraska is old news and lucky to be in the conference. They have no leverage, zero.
 
TimeB0mb said:
ACC is still trying to entice ND into full membership. ND is bending the conference over. No reason for any conference to help Ohio State. They can go play Nebraska 10 times in a row.
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Don't fixate of OSU. I just used OSU as an example because that's who was used by the poster I was originally responding to. Substitute PSU instead. The same thing works. And if I remember, PSU was a viable candidate for expansion if the ACC pulled the trigger before the Big 10 did.
Miami[]_[]Smoke said:
And where does the athletic budget come from? Ticket sales, not happening this year. Conference money, not happening if they go rogue outside the conference. Fund raising, might be some but most gifts probably aren’t earmarked for appearance fees
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Come on.

The UM's athletic budget is self funding and has been since Foote made it so. It's also independent from the academic budget. Money is also fungible. TV money goes into the athletic budget not only to fund football but non revenue and title IX sports. Once the funds hit the general athletic budget, disbursements to fund non-revenue sports, facilities, appearance fees, etc. are indistinguishable from one other. There's no link from TV revenues to appearance fees.

That means the conferences have can't claim appearance fees have to be shared with the conference. That was the other point I was responding to.

Things are changing. This is uncharted territory for college football. They have to think smarter and quicker. If they do, the program can use it to it's advantage rather than being a victim of it.
 
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TpaBayFlyFisher said:
Nebraska can go back to the Big 12 and not only play, but reopen traditional recruiting sources....
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They aren’t going anywhere I promise you. Their days of being relevant are history, recruiting base is non existent. They are a middle of the road team in the conference and Frost is playing tough guy. They had something to offer 25 years ago, today not so much.
 
Bernie 2-0 said:
Ok you win, but They are not playing a game this fall or leaving the Big 10. Nebraska is old news and lucky to be in the conference. They have no leverage, zero.
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I’m not trying to win, but Nebraska May force the conference to take action if they choose to pursue a schedule. There’s no way this is some slam dunk for the conference. Especially if they play with no major setbacks due to Covid. The conference would be in a bad position. I hope it happens because the BIG is a conference full of pompous ********.
 
EaglesFan said:
I’m not trying to win, but Nebraska May force the conference to take action if they choose to pursue a schedule. There’s no way this is some slam dunk for the conference. Especially if they
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EaglesFan said:
play with no major setbacks due to Covid. The conference would be in a bad position. I hope it happens because the BIG is a conference full of pompous ********.
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Nebraska has no leverage, zero. Here are 759 MILLION reasons!
For the 2018 fiscal year, the Big Ten reported almost $759 million in revenue, and the 12 schools receiving full shares each got roughly $54 million.Jan 30, 2020
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USA Today › sec › 2020/01/30

SEC generated $721 million in revenue, but still trails Big Ten​

Contrary to popular belief here the Big 10 is strong. See above for proof.
I’m done!​

 
Bernie 2-0 said:
They aren’t going anywhere I promise you. Their days of being relevant are history, recruiting base is non existent. They are a middle of the road team in the conference and Frost is playing tough guy. They had something to offer 25 years ago, today not so much.
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Every major CFB team has had their down periods.....ND, USC, Alabama, PSU, Oklahoma....they've all been through it. And people say the same thing about us. Don't count anyone out.
 
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GojiraCane said:
If they do not play, outside of merchandising the school's revenue is zero in 2020. If they play in the Big 12 for instance, the TV revenue and (smallish) ticket revenue might equal or even offset the financial penalty for walking out of the conference. Plus the school considering leaving has to also ponder the possibility that this could be a two year shutdown in the PAC-12 and Big Ten, in which case the money gained from playing in 2020 and 2021 would definitely offset the one-off financial fee for leaving.
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I wonder how some of you people function in real life. Big ten schools make $16 m more per year than big 12 schools. Do you honestly think any school is going to leave that perpetual revenue stream, and lose that much more money in the long term, just because the big ten shut down for a year? They will also still receive money from the btn. You guys act like switching conferences is simple and a short term decision you make over a beer
 
Midlo Cane Fan said:
Every major CFB team has had their down periods.....ND, USC, Alabama, PSU, Oklahoma....they've all been through it. And people say the same thing about us. Don't count anyone out.
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You ever been to Lincoln? They are not coming back. Competitive maybe, a power no. We have a recruiting base, they do not.
 
Miami[]_[]Smoke said:
I wonder how some of you people function in real life. Big ten schools make $16 m more per year than big 12 schools. Do you honestly think any school is going to leave that perpetual revenue stream, and lose that much more money in the long term, just because the big ten shut down for a year? They will also still receive money from the btn. You guys act like switching conferences is simple and a short term decision you make over a beer
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It’s simple arithmetic. Thanks!
 
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Miami[]_[]Smoke said:
I wonder how some of you people function in real life. Big ten schools make $16 m more per year than big 12 schools. Do you honestly think any school is going to leave that perpetual revenue stream, and lose that much more money in the long term, just because the big ten shut down for a year? They will also still receive money from the btn. You guys act like switching conferences is simple and a short term decision you make over a beer
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1) Don't think it's simple to switch conferences. The Big 10 would likely sue Nebraska if they tried to join the Big 12 even for one season. But these are truly unique times; I would say everything is on the table. And at the moment the NCAA has never appeared to be more impotent
2) As for Big 10 vs Big 12, I hadn't looked it up but it's not surprising. There were reasons that Nebraska and Colorado bolted from the Big 12 to begin with, such as UT not sharing revenue from the Longhorn Network
3) When you speak about a perpetual revenue stream - that stream dwindles to a brook in a multiyear shutdown. It's likely that most if not all Big Ten schools could absorb a one year shutdown and resume operations. What gives me pause and what may be a factor in an attempt by Nebraska to jump ship is the question of how long the shutdown lasts. Nebraska had total expenses of $81M in 2019, versus revenue of $122M. Some of their operating costs go away in a shutdown - no travel costs, no players are getting injured - but much doesn't. Let's say half of the expense remains and the Big Ten shutdown lasts at least two years. Can the University of Nebraska absorb $82M in expenses without television revenue and ticket sales? Maybe. But can they be sure that it comes back in two years? And how does a football team recruit players over such a shutdown? The problem is that there is absolutely no guarantee that the Big Ten or PAC-12 resumes football in 2021, because there are no decided factors that allow for a return.
 
Bernie 2-0 said:
They aren’t going anywhere I promise you. Their days of being relevant are history, recruiting base is non existent. They are a middle of the road team in the conference and Frost is playing tough guy. They had something to offer 25 years ago, today not so much.
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You could say the same about Miami. Nebraska has the richest history of any team in the Big 10, and the most championships. They have a huge fanbase. They are a blue blood program, no question.

If they defected to the Big 12, that would harm the Big 10 in terms of prestige and money. TV contracts were signed with the expectation that Nebraska would be part of the product. The big 10 minus Nebraska offers diminished value to the TV execs...so you can bet the TV money payout would be adjusted accordingly.
 
Miami[]_[]Smoke said:
I wonder how some of you people function in real life. Big ten schools make $16 m more per year than big 12 schools. Do you honestly think any school is going to leave that perpetual revenue stream, and lose that much more money in the long term, just because the big ten shut down for a year? They will also still receive money from the btn. You guys act like switching conferences is simple and a short term decision you make over a beer
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They make more because they have schools like Nebraska. A conference with Texas, Oklahoma, and Nebraska is easily as valuable as a conference with Ohio State and Penn State.



If Nebraska leaves, the TV contract for the Big 10 will be adjusted down. TV execs are not paying the same dollar for a diminished product.

Also, their revenue this year will be zero. ESPN isn’t paying them to not play games... the contract is to televise football games.
 
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