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[fastcane]

Coker couldn't recruit someone said. I suggest you go back and look at where his classes ranked and then compare them to what the Golden one has done. Get back to me once you do that.

The problem Coker had, the same one Shannon had, and the one Golden has had so far are all one and the same. They could recruit just fine, but they sucked at developing that talent as well as game day coaching.

The other issue that's been a reoccurring theme under them all is stacked / loaded classes. We'll load up on 72 WR's and LB's one year because we lost that many when we should spread out getting those need positions. A few years down the line we have 3 or 4 seniors, a junior and sophomore, but no Frosh. You lose those guys and we're stuck with inexperience at the position besides a guy or two. All of them also really hated the idea of redshirting someone and would often burn that shirt in the most perplexing and dumbass way possible.

Recruiting hasn't been the problem under any of our last three coaches and that's easy to see. Yes, it could've been better, but we've got guys everyone wanted come here and never do a thing. It's been happening at an alarming rate. It's not bad luck, it's been bad coaching and decision making, that's it.

''The problem Coker had, the same one Shannon had, and the one Golden has had so far are all one and the same. They could recruit just fine, but they sucked at developing that talent as well as game day coaching. ''

We have went over why Golden has had poor classes up to this point, they were talking about getting rid of Miami football, lol, forgot that already?

Neither Coker or Shannon could recruit worth a ****, did they get a few great players? Yes, you need a whole **** team of great players, unfortunately neither one had a whole team of great recruits. Neither one ever recruited a great QB! Randy's 2008 class sucked. Don't care about stars, I care about talent. You think anyone needed to coach Duke up in college, the kid is a frigon natural, can he learn things along the way yes, you can't teach Dukes talent,

'' Recruiting hasn't been the problem under any of our last three coaches and that's easy to see. Yes, it could've been better, but we've got guys everyone wanted come here and never do a thing. It's been happening at an alarming rate. It's not bad luck, it's been bad coaching and decision making, that's it.''

So JH was the best QB in the country or even top 15? NO, he is all that we could get and he's the best QB, not counting Brock, in over 10 years, all the rest were pretty darn bad and Golden still did alright last year.

''The other issue that's been a reoccurring theme under them all is stacked / loaded classes. We'll load up on 72 WR's and LB's one year because we lost that many when we should spread out getting those need positions.''

No we loaded up at those positions because we had a dumb *** coach who didn't know how to recruit and single handedly got many SF coaches to hate the U.

 

[Biscayne]

Coker couldn't recruit someone said. I suggest you go back and look at where his classes ranked and then compare them to what the Golden one has done. Get back to me once you do that.

The problem Coker had, the same one Shannon had, and the one Golden has had so far are all one and the same. They could recruit just fine, but they sucked at developing that talent as well as game day coaching.

The other issue that's been a reoccurring theme under them all is stacked / loaded classes. We'll load up on 72 WR's and LB's one year because we lost that many when we should spread out getting those need positions. A few years down the line we have 3 or 4 seniors, a junior and sophomore, but no Frosh. You lose those guys and we're stuck with inexperience at the position besides a guy or two. All of them also really hated the idea of redshirting someone and would often burn that shirt in the most perplexing and dumbass way possible.

Recruiting hasn't been the problem under any of our last three coaches and that's easy to see. Yes, it could've been better, but we've got guys everyone wanted come here and never do a thing. It's been happening at an alarming rate. It's not bad luck, it's been bad coaching and decision making, that's it.

You really think Coker and Shannon are good recruiters? Just look at the '04 and '10 recruiting classes and see what utter garbage they left the program.

 

[UMFarArcher]

Fastcane, I've seen twelve-hour moonshine more mature than you. Everything's gotta be a fight - when most of the time, it's your dumbassness.

Weapons are many things, in this situation, we gave them firearms. Our guys were illiterate, something you never addressed. Our guys weren't "geeks," and I'm not sure I'd want to know what your obessesion with 'geeks' is, but I'd suggest that 'geeks' are more capable than illiterates.

Relatively speaking - our little people beat a well trained, well experienced enemy with a 33:1 kill ratio, four times what our US Army was doing. There's nothing in your mind right now that's clicking, is there?

Our personnel were inferior, but properly trained and motivated, they whipped some serious *** of those who later whipped the siht out of the Chinese. We didn't get any do-overs, we didn't get time outs, and there was no second place.

Talent? Yeah, it helps, but it also is a matter of taking WTF you have to work with, and making it work. You may want former SAS and SF personnel, but you have to do with what you have, modify your plan around what you have, and execute with what you have.

If you KNOW they have certain strengths or characteristics, that's what you use - and use heavily.

Bear Bryant alway had the smallest defensive linemen in college football, but they always played the biggest. Now how ITF do you suppose that happened? Think ol' Bear was relying on another five-year-plan?

We are playing a defense that isn't working. It didn't work year one, although due to the experience of being around Randy, our year one defense under Golden was coincidentally Golden's best one.

Our year 2 defense suked balls. Our year 3 defense suked balls. We have some talent this year, but if you misuse the talent you have, then the talent aspect is negated.

Talent? You have any idea how much raw talent has done not one damned thing? Ever?

The Russians were/are going to be very predictable, and that's because they have an attack plan, and they stick to it regardless. They will reinforce a bad attack. They will stick to the plan. Americans frustrate them as they complain that Americans don't even follow their own plans or regulations!

Golden is like the Russians. He has a defense he wants, and to **** with the skills of his players. To **** with the speed.experience of his players. To **** with their quickness, as he wants them bulked up for a Penn State crap defense. Well, we have one, and it's not working.

You have to be one dumb SOB to make a bad attack three times, and then set up to make another bad attack the same, exact way. Capable coaches will change things mid-season, and do so successfully. Just look at FSU if you need an example.

Tactics are tactics. There's only a handful, and can be learned pretty quickly.

But you can't see the core connections, nor past your own immature argument that never seems to hold water.

 

[weownfsu]

Same **** I heard about our last corch.

 

[wherrera8]

funny how people plant the seeds during every coaching staff just hoping they get fired, just so they can say "I told you so"

It's a win-win man. If they get fired, people can say "I told you so". If they win and the team does well, then people are happy because their favorite team is winning.

 

[fastcane]

Fastcane, I've seen twelve-hour moonshine more mature than you. Everything's gotta be a fight - when most of the time, it's your dumbassness.

Weapons are many things, in this situation, we gave them firearms. Our guys were illiterate, something you never addressed. Our guys weren't "geeks," and I'm not sure I'd want to know what your obessesion with 'geeks' is, but I'd suggest that 'geeks' are more capable than illiterates.

Relatively speaking - our little people beat a well trained, well experienced enemy with a 33:1 kill ratio, four times what our US Army was doing. There's nothing in your mind right now that's clicking, is there?

Our personnel were inferior, but properly trained and motivated, they whipped some serious *** of those who later whipped the siht out of the Chinese. We didn't get any do-overs, we didn't get time outs, and there was no second place.

Talent? Yeah, it helps, but it also is a matter of taking WTF you have to work with, and making it work. You may want former SAS and SF personnel, but you have to do with what you have, modify your plan around what you have, and execute with what you have.

If you KNOW they have certain strengths or characteristics, that's what you use - and use heavily.

Bear Bryant alway had the smallest defensive linemen in college football, but they always played the biggest. Now how ITF do you suppose that happened? Think ol' Bear was relying on another five-year-plan?

We are playing a defense that isn't working. It didn't work year one, although due to the experience of being around Randy, our year one defense under Golden was coincidentally Golden's best one.

Our year 2 defense suked balls. Our year 3 defense suked balls. We have some talent this year, but if you misuse the talent you have, then the talent aspect is negated.

Talent? You have any idea how much raw talent has done not one damned thing? Ever?

The Russians were/are going to be very predictable, and that's because they have an attack plan, and they stick to it regardless. They will reinforce a bad attack. They will stick to the plan. Americans frustrate them as they complain that Americans don't even follow their own plans or regulations!

Golden is like the Russians. He has a defense he wants, and to **** with the skills of his players. To **** with the speed.experience of his players. To **** with their quickness, as he wants them bulked up for a Penn State crap defense. Well, we have one, and it's not working.

You have to be one dumb SOB to make a bad attack three times, and then set up to make another bad attack the same, exact way. Capable coaches will change things mid-season, and do so successfully. Just look at FSU if you need an example.

Tactics are tactics. There's only a handful, and can be learned pretty quickly.

But you can't see the core connections, nor past your own immature argument that never seems to hold water.

'' I've seen twelve-hour moonshine more mature than you. Everything's gotta be a fight - when most of the time, it's your dumbassness.

Weapons are many things, in this situation, we gave them firearms. Our guys were illiterate, something you never addressed. Our guys weren't "geeks," and I'm not sure I'd want to know what your obessesion with 'geeks' is, but I'd suggest that 'geeks' are more capable than illiterates.

Relatively speaking - our little people beat a well trained, well experienced enemy with a 33:1 kill ratio, four times what our US Army was doing. There's nothing in your mind right now that's clicking, is there?''

I don't give two ***** about any of this, Your brain isn't working right now and you can't get the point I was trying to make, I can't help you!

''Bear Bryant alway had the smallest defensive linemen in college football, but they always played the biggest. Now how ITF do you suppose that happened? Think ol' Bear was relying on another five-year-plan?''

LOL, you really want to go there, I live in Alabama! Bear use to have almost 200 players on some of his teams back then, he would take players just so other teams couldn't, lol. My Alabama friends remind me all the time about Bear and what he did.


''Weapons are many things, in this situation, we gave them firearms. Our guys were illiterate, something you never addressed. Our guys weren't "geeks," and I'm not sure I'd want to know what your obessesion with 'geeks' is, but I'd suggest that 'geeks' are more capable than illiterates.

Relatively speaking - our little people beat a well trained, well experienced enemy with a 33:1 kill ratio, four times what our US Army was doing. There's nothing in your mind right now that's clicking, is there?''''

Don't care about any of this, I was talking about hand to hand, gosh!

'''' I've seen twelve-hour moonshine more mature than you. Everything's gotta be a fight - when most of the time, it's your dumbassness.''

This is no fight just sick and tired of dumb asses ripping Golden when his hands have been tied for 3 years. I was nice at the beginning, just asked one simple question, what do you think of Coker? Then you said that was the dumbest question you ever heard. Like you I will never back down, don't give two ***** if you could kill me in one half a second. If I'm wrong I'll admit it, I'm the first to say it. You started the ****, you F grow up!

 

[LuCane]

The Russians were/are going to be very predictable, and that's because they have an attack plan, and they stick to it regardless. They will reinforce a bad attack. They will stick to the plan. Americans frustrate them as they complain that Americans don't even follow their own plans or regulations!

Golden is like the Russians. He has a defense he wants, and to **** with the skills of his players. To **** with the speed.experience of his players. To **** with their quickness, as he wants them bulked up for a Penn State crap defense. Well, we have one, and it's not working.

This is what we have evidence of so far. It's also what scares the **** out of me. Because if he is unable to adjust - in-game or broader - we're stuck in relative mediocrity (with the occasional ACC Champ run) for the foreseeable future. That's like being a 6th seed in the NBA for a decade.

 

[Angry Ibis]

funny how people plant the seeds during every coaching staff just hoping they get fired, just so they can say "I told you so"

It's a win-win man. If they get fired, people can say "I told you so". If they win and the team does well, then people are happy because their favorite team is winning.

Also a completely *****ass punk move.

 

[wherrera8]

funny how people plant the seeds during every coaching staff just hoping they get fired, just so they can say "I told you so"

It's a win-win man. If they get fired, people can say "I told you so". If they win and the team does well, then people are happy because their favorite team is winning.

Also a completely ******* punk move.

By me? Or what I was referring to?

 

[fastcane]

Hey Archer, for 3 years Golden couldn't get much of the SF talent or from anywhere else for that Matter all of the sudden he's getting most of it, just frigon killing it. He sucks why would all these awesome players want to play for him all of the sudden? Or is it just F magic? I give him the benefit of the doubt, he's certainly a top recruiter and has put a pretty darn good recruiting staff into place now, and adding some coaches former Canes that know how to win.

First he had to fix all the **** with the coaches that Shannon ****ed off, had that going against him too. Then fought through other coaches telling kids how bad the sanctions were going to be if there even was going to be a team. The guy stuck even though he didn't have to, now he's kicking *** with the recruits. He made the camps cheaper so more kids can come in, he's hired local talented coaches, sorry he get's my backing for at least another 2 years.

 

[fastcane]

The Russians were/are going to be very predictable, and that's because they have an attack plan, and they stick to it regardless. They will reinforce a bad attack. They will stick to the plan. Americans frustrate them as they complain that Americans don't even follow their own plans or regulations!

Golden is like the Russians. He has a defense he wants, and to **** with the skills of his players. To **** with the speed.experience of his players. To **** with their quickness, as he wants them bulked up for a Penn State crap defense. Well, we have one, and it's not working.

This is what we have evidence of so far. It's also what scares the **** out of me. Because if he is unable to adjust - in-game or broader - we're stuck in relative mediocrity (with the occasional ACC Champ run) for the foreseeable future. That's like being a 6th seed in the NBA for a decade.

If that happens in another 2 years with a very high talent level then dump him, I don't see that happening though. Why not rip Saban, he had the best talent in the country, a senior QB , great D and still lot 2 games.

 

[Angry Ibis]

funny how people plant the seeds during every coaching staff just hoping they get fired, just so they can say "I told you so"

It's a win-win man. If they get fired, people can say "I told you so". If they win and the team does well, then people are happy because their favorite team is winning.

Also a completely ******* punk move.

By me? Or what I was referring to?

Not you man. Not you. I was giving you a hard time about the Monty's thing, but you're a solid dude.

Was referring to the negative "I told you so" if the result is bad, but the "Go Canes!!! Whoohooo!" if it goes well.

 

[wherrera8]

funny how people plant the seeds during every coaching staff just hoping they get fired, just so they can say "I told you so"

It's a win-win man. If they get fired, people can say "I told you so". If they win and the team does well, then people are happy because their favorite team is winning.

Also a completely ******* punk move.

By me? Or what I was referring to?

Not you man. Not you. I was giving you a hard time about the Monty's thing, but you're a solid dude.

Was referring to the negative "I told you so" if the result is bad, but the "Go Canes!!! Whoohooo!" if it goes well.

Haha my bad homie.

It's true though, and I agree with you!

Tired of all these negative people. There was even one in the JaQuan thread!

 

[UMFarArcher]

Hey Archer, for 3 years Golden couldn't get much of the SF talent or from anywhere else for that Matter all of the sudden he's getting most of it, just frigon killing it. He sucks why would all these awesome players want to play for him all of the sudden? Or is it just F magic? I give him the benefit of the doubt, he's certainly a top recruiter and has put a pretty darn good recruiting staff into place now, and adding some coaches former Canes that know how to win.

First he had to fix all the **** with the coaches that Shannon ****ed off, had that going against him too. Then fought through other coaches telling kids how bad the sanctions were going to be if there even was going to be a team. The guy stuck even though he didn't have to, now he's kicking *** with the recruits. He made the camps cheaper so more kids can come in, he's hired local talented coaches, sorry he get's my backing for at least another 2 years.

Oh yes, THE CLOUD. He's killing it on recruiting? Do we really want to look more closely at the top local talent that went elsewhere? Think for a moment we're not getting top DT's, especially the local DT's as they've seen this scheme?

No one is saying Golden isn't a smooth operator with great PR skills. No one. All that stuff you mentioned is good - but it's off-field fluff.

Golden just suks as a COACH.

 

[fastcane]

Hey Archer, for 3 years Golden couldn't get much of the SF talent or from anywhere else for that Matter all of the sudden he's getting most of it, just frigon killing it. He sucks why would all these awesome players want to play for him all of the sudden? Or is it just F magic? I give him the benefit of the doubt, he's certainly a top recruiter and has put a pretty darn good recruiting staff into place now, and adding some coaches former Canes that know how to win.

First he had to fix all the **** with the coaches that Shannon ****ed off, had that going against him too. Then fought through other coaches telling kids how bad the sanctions were going to be if there even was going to be a team. The guy stuck even though he didn't have to, now he's kicking *** with the recruits. He made the camps cheaper so more kids can come in, he's hired local talented coaches, sorry he get's my backing for at least another 2 years.

Oh yes, THE CLOUD. He's killing it on recruiting? Do we really want to look more closely at the top local talent that went elsewhere? Think for a moment we're not getting top DT's, especially the local DT's as they've seen this scheme?

No one is saying Golden isn't a smooth operator with great PR skills. No one. All that stuff you mentioned is good - but it's off-field fluff.

Golden just suks as a COACH.

Like I said the first 2 years were bad, last year so so. This year the jury is out, I agree with you on D tackles. 2016 looks like we might clean up. Pretty obvious if we are giving up 500 yards a game like last year someone needs to be fired. I think we will be quite a bit better, even if the D tackles are just a little better.

We still went 9-3 with a below average qb, not one good D linemen, a very young secondary, one real good lber. We might have done better If Duke hadn't gone down, could have possible won 2 games, or at least one more. We had one great RB and it was a huge drop off, when Duke went down it was over. We still don't have depth on the offensive and D line, those are two weak spots along with no qb that knows the system, next year we will be stronger at every position except if duke leaves . JMO

 

[DJWilliams55]

Lol...let's compare Cokers class rankings to Goldens?


Yeah that's a fair analysis. One guy stepped into a national title and the other guy stepped into a ****storm...yeah they totally had the same to offer kids. I'm sure it wasn't harder at all for Golden to market the program.

I can't believe these arguments are being made. Coker if he took over in 2011 would bring in classes in the 50s or 60s. Dude had zero personality and recruited out of magazines. GTFOOH

 

[ThomasM]

Forget recruiting rankings. Look at holes in rosters. Coker and Shannon left holes in rosters. If Golden left today, where are the holes? He's got his future QB, and more on the way. He has his future RB, and more on the way. He has talent at WR, TE, OL, DL, LB, and DBs. LB is a little thin, but not due to recruiting. Golden is a darn good recruiter, because he's building a team, not a high recruiting ranking.

Also, name the last time you saw a class of 27 ALL get in. That is good recruiting. Rankings be damned. I bet we'll see more production from the 2014 class thane e saw from the #1 ranked 2008 class. I's also bet they will see more wins.

 

[UMFarArcher]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Name one - ONE timely game adjustment to negate six or seven very successful plays our opponents were chewing our asses up with?

When a team burns your *** four times in rapid succession with one play - most successful game coaches make timely adjustments - NOT this crew.

So we finally make an adjustment to correct this and damned if they don't' just run the same play on the other side. Does NO ONE here see the lack of gameday preparation, game day execution, game day adjustments, and game day fervor?

Everything else is NICE, but doesn't put wins on the board.

I don' want a mission leader who speaks well, dresses nice, says the right things, and is kind to animals. I want a mission leader that prepares a good mission plan, demands performance runs to perfection, and can make timely adjustments to the plan as they are needed, when they are needed.

 

[niner]

1232:1 kill ratio

 

[weownfsu]

Recruiting has been a problem under Coker, Shannon, and Golden, regardless of class rankings. None of them have gotten enough talent into the program.