Beckham, Shalala discuss partnering on stadium

[Beef Stew]

If we want 40k seats, and MLS wants 25k, I don't see why we could not build a 30k stadium with the option to add on an extra 10k for big games like Florida State. Miami does not need anything bigger than 40k, and soccer stadiums are built close to the field, meaning the atmosphere at those games would be crazy. It would be loud as ****, and it would look a lot better if we sold out every game, instead of 40 thousand seats being empty on national television.

The seats in soccer stadiums are built close to the soccer field. As a football field isn't nearly as wide, you're still going to end up with this no matter how close they build them:

Playing in a stadium that seats 30k also robs you of the other 42k seats that you can sell tickets for at SLS, and the revenue created from concessions, parking, merchandise etc (besides the ticket revenue that you get even if they don't show up) UM's football program is currently on life support and moving to some FCSesque stadium will be the death knell.

Did you really just post a picture of how terrible Sun Life is and then try to use that as justificiation for why we should stay in Sun Life?

Yeah buddy, we should stay in sun life because the new stadium might be as bad as Sun Life! Lulz.

Sun Life is so wide because it was built to house baseball. Not soccer. Look at your photo above. That's obvious to the untrained eye, the field is wide because you can fit a baseball diamond on it.

And that's why you can't really play football at Marlins Park. Too wide.

In 1994, the United States hosted the World Cup... international soccer matches were held in dozens of NFL and college football stadiums around the country.

Soldier Field, the Rose Bowl, Foxboro, Giants Stadium, RFK, the Cotton Bowl, etc all hosted World Cup matches.

Are they too wide like Sun Life, or how do you explain these stadiums hosting many World Cup and international soccer events?

 

[supacane]

If we want 40k seats, and MLS wants 25k, I don't see why we could not build a 30k stadium with the option to add on an extra 10k for big games like Florida State. Miami does not need anything bigger than 40k, and soccer stadiums are built close to the field, meaning the atmosphere at those games would be crazy. It would be loud as ****, and it would look a lot better if we sold out every game, instead of 40 thousand seats being empty on national television.

The seats in soccer stadiums are built close to the soccer field. As a football field isn't nearly as wide, you're still going to end up with this no matter how close they build them:

Playing in a stadium that seats 30k also robs you of the other 42k seats that you can sell tickets for at SLS, and the revenue created from concessions, parking, merchandise etc (besides the ticket revenue that you get even if they don't show up) UM's football program is currently on life support and moving to some FCSesque stadium will be the death knell.

They can play big games at sun life all the same. Staying in sun life is the death knell or whatever u call it.

 

[Gatorhater]

Who gives a **** what Donna wants. What does she have a week left? GTFOOH

She is just trying to do what politicians do, re-write their history. This is like Jimmy Carter coming out and being opposed to giving the Panama Canal back to Panama or Bush saying, "I never mentioned WMDs." Next her memoirs will lay the blame all on Paul Dee. Nothing will come of this but Donna will claim she did "all" she could.

 

[Gatorhater]

meanwhile Al Golden is our coach

....And therein lies the big problem.

Negative...the BIG problem is Donna and the administration. For as big of a piece of **** that Al Golden is, he represents the THIRD successive miserable hire this administration has made. He sucks at what he does...but he's not THE problem. THE problem is much deeper and more pervasive....it's the fact that the only people who care about the well being of the football program post on these types of boards.

It's an absolute injustice that people that incompetent and apathetic with regards to the program are charged with it's safekeeping. It's hilarious when you really stop to think about it.

I am forced to disagree with them being incompetent and apathetic. I am of the opinion they wanted, planned and implement the destruction we have seen. Foote was incompetent and apathetic and that resulted in more NCs. These slimes have affirmatively destroyed the football program and done a excellent job of it. We are judging results without know the "TRUE" intentions and that makes them seem incompetent. This method has been crucial element of American politics for a long, long time--never let the people know what you are really trying to do.

 

[Jedi Master Cane]

meanwhile Al Golden is our coach

....And therein lies the big problem.

Negative...the BIG problem is Donna and the administration. For as big of a piece of **** that Al Golden is, he represents the THIRD successive miserable hire this administration has made. He sucks at what he does...but he's not THE problem. THE problem is much deeper and more pervasive....it's the fact that the only people who care about the well being of the football program post on these types of boards.

It's an absolute injustice that people that incompetent and apathetic with regards to the program are charged with it's safekeeping. It's hilarious when you really stop to think about it.

I am forced to disagree with them being incompetent and apathetic. I am of the opinion they wanted, planned and implement the destruction we have seen. Foote was incompetent and apathetic and that resulted in more NCs. These slimes have affirmatively destroyed the football program and done a excellent job of it. We are judging results without know the "TRUE" intentions and that makes them seem incompetent. This method has been crucial element of American politics for a long, long time--never let the people know what you are really trying to do.

I concede your first sentence is also a possibility.

We can both agree there are ACTING incompetently and apathetically....now whether or not it's on purpose is another matter. Bottom line is ALL of the pain this program has endured over the last decade is self inflicted. People need to realize that Golden is a SYMPTOM while the DISEASE is/are Donna, the administration, and the *** kissers hanging around the program.

 

[duke4heisman]

Who gives a **** what Donna wants. What does she have a week left? GTFOOH

She is just trying to do what politicians do, re-write their history. This is like Jimmy Carter coming out and being opposed to giving the Panama Canal back to Panama or Bush saying, "I never mentioned WMDs." Next her memoirs will lay the blame all on Paul Dee. Nothing will come of this but Donna will claim she did "all" she could.

Be careful, cane in heel country will come out of nowhere and turn this thread into a 20 page Donna slurp fest.

 

[Republicane]

If we want 40k seats, and MLS wants 25k, I don't see why we could not build a 30k stadium with the option to add on an extra 10k for big games like Florida State. Miami does not need anything bigger than 40k, and soccer stadiums are built close to the field, meaning the atmosphere at those games would be crazy. It would be loud as ****, and it would look a lot better if we sold out every game, instead of 40 thousand seats being empty on national television.

The seats in soccer stadiums are built close to the soccer field. As a football field isn't nearly as wide, you're still going to end up with this no matter how close they build them:

Playing in a stadium that seats 30k also robs you of the other 42k seats that you can sell tickets for at SLS, and the revenue created from concessions, parking, merchandise etc (besides the ticket revenue that you get even if they don't show up) UM's football program is currently on life support and moving to some FCSesque stadium will be the death knell.

Did you really just post a picture of how terrible Sun Life is and then try to use that as justificiation for why we should stay in Sun Life?

Yeah buddy, we should stay in sun life because the new stadium might be as bad as Sun Life! Lulz.

Sun Life is so wide because it was built to house baseball. Not soccer. Look at your photo above. That's obvious to the untrained eye, the field is wide because you can fit a baseball diamond on it.

And that's why you can't really play football at Marlins Park. Too wide.

In 1994, the United States hosted the World Cup... international soccer matches were held in dozens of NFL and college football stadiums around the country.

Soldier Field, the Rose Bowl, Foxboro, Giants Stadium, RFK, the Cotton Bowl, etc all hosted World Cup matches.

Are they too wide like Sun Life, or how do you explain these stadiums hosting many World Cup and international soccer events?

"My larger point is that nobody should expect the seating to be that much closer to the field just because it's in a purpose built soccer stadium as opposed to SLS. It's the dimensions of the field that necessitate the seats being farther away than people like, not the ill suited stadium."

I'm not saying Miami should stay at Sun Life because it is a great stadium, I'm saying it doesn't make a lot of financial sense to move to a new stadium if it only seats 40k. It would cost far less to invest in a real coaching staff and get people to games via winning than it would to invest tens of millions of dollars in a new stadium only to have enough money left over to hire Ron Zook.

 

[svenben]

I feel they missed a chance to get the fans closer. SLS should be 95% focused on the football environment as it dominiates soccer and SLS has two teams that it calls home plus wants to win bids for college bowls and Super Bowls. Moving each side-line 24 feet was not enough.. especially when on one side half that 24 feet is a front level ADA wide path.. Seats on that side prob moved in about 18 feet.

Should have done the bare minimum to allow international soccer (with little or no room past the pitch). Or do what Atlanta plans to do and have some corner seats removable for soccer games.

Football:


Soccer: note the corner seats are gone exposing higher black walls with the MLS crest.

 

[GoldenShowertheGators]

I feel they missed a chance to get the fans closer. SLS should be 95% focused on the football environment as it dominiates soccer and SLS has two teams that it calls home plus wants to win bids for college bowls and Super Bowls. Moving each side-line 24 feet was not enough.. especially when on one side half that 24 feet is a front level ADA wide path.. Seats on that side prob moved in about 18 feet. Should have done the bare minimum to allow international soccer (with little or no room past the pitch). Or do what Atlanta plans to do and have some corner seats removable for soccer games. Football: <img src="https://www.canesinsight.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=30468"/> Soccer: note the corner seats are gone exposing higher black walls with the MLS crest. <img src="https://www.canesinsight.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=30469"/>

That looks pretty good to me. Don't see why the new stadium couldn't be as flexible.

And more to that point, DB said he wanted an English style pitch, where the first row of seats is literally within 5 feet of the sideline.

 

[Beef Stew]

If we want 40k seats, and MLS wants 25k, I don't see why we could not build a 30k stadium with the option to add on an extra 10k for big games like Florida State. Miami does not need anything bigger than 40k, and soccer stadiums are built close to the field, meaning the atmosphere at those games would be crazy. It would be loud as ****, and it would look a lot better if we sold out every game, instead of 40 thousand seats being empty on national television.

The seats in soccer stadiums are built close to the soccer field. As a football field isn't nearly as wide, you're still going to end up with this no matter how close they build them:

Playing in a stadium that seats 30k also robs you of the other 42k seats that you can sell tickets for at SLS, and the revenue created from concessions, parking, merchandise etc (besides the ticket revenue that you get even if they don't show up) UM's football program is currently on life support and moving to some FCSesque stadium will be the death knell.

Did you really just post a picture of how terrible Sun Life is and then try to use that as justificiation for why we should stay in Sun Life?

Yeah buddy, we should stay in sun life because the new stadium might be as bad as Sun Life! Lulz.

Sun Life is so wide because it was built to house baseball. Not soccer. Look at your photo above. That's obvious to the untrained eye, the field is wide because you can fit a baseball diamond on it.

And that's why you can't really play football at Marlins Park. Too wide.

In 1994, the United States hosted the World Cup... international soccer matches were held in dozens of NFL and college football stadiums around the country.

Soldier Field, the Rose Bowl, Foxboro, Giants Stadium, RFK, the Cotton Bowl, etc all hosted World Cup matches.

Are they too wide like Sun Life, or how do you explain these stadiums hosting many World Cup and international soccer events?

"My larger point is that nobody should expect the seating to be that much closer to the field just because it's in a purpose built soccer stadium as opposed to SLS. It's the dimensions of the field that necessitate the seats being farther away than people like, not the ill suited stadium."

I'm not saying Miami should stay at Sun Life because it is a great stadium, I'm saying it doesn't make a lot of financial sense to move to a new stadium if it only seats 40k. It would cost far less to invest in a real coaching staff and get people to games via winning than it would to invest tens of millions of dollars in a new stadium only to have enough money left over to hire Ron Zook.

First of all, if they build a stadium, they'll raise money to do it. And a lot of people will open their pocket books and donate toward that cause, myself included, because it's about **** dime UM had their own football stadium.

Second, you think Al Golden survives another year like last year? I don't. I think he lucked out this happened to be a transition year at the president's office and there's nothing more to it that that.

As for seating being closer... hey man.... if Soldier Field, Foxboro, the Rose Bowl, RFK, the Cotton Bowl.... if these stadiums can host World Cup games, then that tells you how big a soccer field is. So unless you think these stadiums also have seating that's just way too far away from the action, I don't think you have much to worry about.

Or just look at Svenben's pics of Atlanta. That proves it right there, there's not much difference in size b/w football and soccer fields.

To drive this home....if you look at the lot of land they're considering by the old OB, there simply isn't enough room to build a saucer dish like Sun Life. Aside from the seats starting out far from the action, the seats don't tower up and down like other stadiums, they spread back. The back seats are way farther back than any other stadium I've ever visited.

In the OB location, seats will have to be close to the action if for no other reason than there isn't enough space left to have it built any other way.

 

[Borat]

We want to speak with someone who can vote.

 

[ACKCANE]

How well will Kayaa transition to being a midfielder?

 

[3FW]

Simple math and economics. Supply and demand, 40K seats at an average of $100 is more than 60k seats at an average of $50.

 

[Ibis Wingz]

Artist's (toRken of WEZ) rendering of Son Life Stadium's new seating configuration:

 

[Dan E. Dangerously]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y32Uo0yDpHA

 

[Gatorhater]

Who gives a **** what Donna wants. What does she have a week left? GTFOOH

She is just trying to do what politicians do, re-write their history. This is like Jimmy Carter coming out and being opposed to giving the Panama Canal back to Panama or Bush saying, "I never mentioned WMDs." Next her memoirs will lay the blame all on Paul Dee. Nothing will come of this but Donna will claim she did "all" she could.

Be careful, cane in heel country will come out of nowhere and turn this thread into a 20 page Donna slurp fest.

He does seem to like her. Everything else aside, for me, she is condemned by the simple fact that Randy new to stay away from Nevin and she thought he was just dandy and a great photo op. It just burns me that our two great ncaa scandals were actually institutionally caused but football got the blame. The Pell thing was caused by an administrative person under Foote's watchful eye not a football related source and nevin was one of Donna's beloved donors. Donna surely should have been given a "show cause" letter from ncaa and fired. Oh crap, that's going to get me in trouble for sure.

 

[can4life]

42,618-seat arena i wouldn't mind playing in a stadium like this

https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct...tEBykgfliXg4Vn-qWk15jhzQ&ust=1432839704655843

 

[NVA CANE]

Donna trying to get us a stadium while leaving the program in shambles. Nice, we get our own stadium while watching a **** product. Thanks, Donna

 

[BoroCane83]

Like the Pharaohs of Old can be have at least one *** used as the mortar.

 

[GoldenShowertheGators]

“Let’s hope Steve doesn’t make it difficult,” said a high-ranking UM Board of Trustee member. “Our fans don’t like it up there; they want to be down south. That’s where our base is. You have politicians involved from the city and county, so this is difficult. But MLS needs us for the political side of getting this done. We don’t want to be a renter. We want to be a partner in the project.”

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