Barry Jackson on U team at present

[Cribby]

lol, we're not going 8-4 this year.

75% of this board thought we'd be a 6-7 win team last year because of the QB. I get people don't like Rosier, but we're still winning more than 8 games. We won 11 (yes I'm counting Arky St, they were a cupcake) last year with a less talented
team

False , majority of posters had us in the 8-10 range. Because the schedule was so easy and we had talent.

I actually said 9-10, but if I’d known we’d have the unreal takeaway season I’d said 11 wins.

 

[Loose Cannon]

We got an ungodly amount of turnovers last year or the 2-3 Rosier supporters would have their lips shut right now.
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Ungodly amount of turnovers, huh? We forced 31. Three Teames forced as many or more than us. Wyoming forced 38. We forced 45 during the 2001 eleven game regular season. Just another example of exaggeration from the anti-Rosier crowd.

 

[CaneSince4Ever]

Pitt defense is Cover 4 all 11 plays. Not one play has a safety been in the box.

Agree with everything you've said except this.

Cover-4 is a very aggressive run support coverage.

If the Cover-4 Safety(ies) get a run read, they can get as many as 10 guys in the box (post-snap) in run support.

It also forces the QB to throw the 12-15 yd. out from the far hash, something most College QBs can't do.

We play a form of it with Redwine to the field side, not a big fan of it at all...we also suck at exploiting it on offense.

 

[Cribby]

Ungodly amount of turnovers, huh? We forced 31. Three Teames forced as many or more than us. Wyoming forced 38. We forced 45 during the 2001 eleven game regular season. Just another example of exaggeration from the anti-Rosier crowd.

I know ,I know Mr rosier. He’s awesome.

Do you have any cute pictures of y’all playing catch?

 

[Earnest T. Bass]

Only our fanbase will see a kid for exactly one hour at a Spring game (speaking of JWilliams) and be ready to hand him the keys to the kingdom. Lol! Smh.

Exactly! This is precisely what occurred last year only it was Perry who they assured all that would listen that he was head and shoulders above Rosier and should be immediately starting. As of today's date, Perry did not beat out Rosier during the recent Spring practices, instead that CIS superstar is now fighting to be the back-up QB.

I don't mean to be disrespectful to Perry and hope he does in fact become a superstar, but that episode proves that the self-anointed CIS football experts might consider leaving the grading of future players to the coaches.

 

[Cribby]

Exactly! This is precisely what occurred last year only it was Perry who they assured all that would listen that he was head and shoulders above Rosier and should be immediately starting. As of today's date, Perry did not beat out Rosier during the recent Spring practices, instead that CIS superstar is now fighting to be the back-up QB.

I don't mean to be disrespectful to Perry and hope he does in fact become a superstar, but that episode proves that the self-anointed CIS football experts might consider leaving the grading of future players to the coaches.

Well unlike Perry we’ve actually seen Williams , beens Perry never showed up. And everyone that’s seen them at practice says Williams is the most talented , and purest passer. That one is obvious , especially if you seen them throw at the spring gm.

Last year was all Ariz starting bs. We actually have some physical substance with Williams. Rather than hype.

Also one EE and the other didn’t,so it’s not exactly apples and apples.

 

[CaneSince4Ever]

Ask any oc or qb guru and they’ll tell”you an inaccurate qb will always be inaccurate , accurate qbs will always be accurate”.

Mike Leach even said “the first area he looks at is accuracy , if he’s accurate I can do the rest”.

That’s why most don’t expect him to improve. Because he’s just inaccurate, we just have to live with that if he starts.

BS.

Charlie Ward's completion percentage jumped from 56% as a 4th year Jr., to 70% as a 5th year Sr..

You know who else had a horrible completion percentage in College?...Joe Montana. His highest completion percentage in College was 54.2, only .2 higher than Rosier last year.

Dan Fouts also had a horrible completion percentage.

Accuracy can be coached.

 

[Cribby]

BS.

Charlie Ward's completion percentage jumped from 56% as a 4th year Jr., to 70% as a 5th year Sr..

You know who else had a horrible completion percentage in College?...Joe Montana. His highest completion percentage in College was 54.2, only .2 higher than Rosier last year.

Dan Fouts also had a horrible completion percentage.

Accuracy can be coached.

No it can’t , there’s always the one exception. Majority cases it is what it is. And it’s been said to nauseam by coaches.

And I can give you far more qbs that stayed the same.

So quit being “ that guy”. Mr exception to the rule.

A 23 year old ,rs Sr will not suddenly become accurate , if you believe that I’d advise you to take another hit off your crack pipe.

 

[Loose Cannon]

Agree with everything you've said except this.

Cover-4 is a very aggressive run support coverage.

If the Cover-4 Safety(ies) get a run read, they can get as many as 10 guys in the box (post-snap) in run support.

It also forces the QB to throw the 12-15 yd. out from the far hash, something most College QBs can't do.

We play a form of it with Redwine to the field side, not a big fan of it at all...we also suck at exploiting it on offense.

I understand every word of that. I also understand that Cover 4 is Pitt’s base defense and they run it 95% of the time regardless of the opposing team’s personnel, field position, or down and distance, so the idea that the 60th ranked run defense came in with some special game plan that held our feature back to 12 yards is absurdly false. They did not deviate from their base defense all game long and any reasonable fan should be flat out embarrassed by that regardless of how our QB played.

 

[Loose Cannon]

I know ,I know Mr rosier. He’s awesome.

Do you have any cute pictures of y’all playing catch?

No, but I bet I can quote myself at least a dozen times agreeing with the majority opinion in regards to how streaky and inaccurate Rosier was and how absolutely horrible he played in a few games.

I just don’t understand what 3 or 4 of you get out of lying about how equally bad other units were or exaggerating how great we otherwise played. I mean you guys are literally making **** up for the sole purpose of trashing a guy who has patiently waited his turn and once he had a shot, performed to the best of his ability, which turned out to be far better than any of us ever imagined. He’s not great, and never will be, but he was and still is the best option we have. If someone beats him out, I’m good with it. I just don’t see the need to tear him down to make others look tall. If they’re better and can prove it with their play, they’ll get a chance.

 

[cane since birth]

Would love to know where you stood with after Malik after the ND game. But of course you will now say even after that game you just knew he wasn't the guy. Lol.

We will agree to disagree. Clearly you want Williams or Perry and I want whoever the best guy is. That said, I am not willing to sacrifice a season and go 7-5/8-4 just to get a Freshmen experience if he clearly isn't the better option. Richt must agree with me because he is practically begging one of them to step up and clearly they have not.

With Malik's experience and with the favorable schedule, we know at worst he can get us to the ACC Coastal title, anyone who says otherwise just doesn't like him and at that point its no point in discussing it.

See you automatically think the season is going to go down the drain because we start perry or williams thats just stupid especially when you said in your same statement that our schedule is cake, saban started a true freshman, so did kirby you can win starting them, but i got a question talent wise who is the best of the group? Because you are more about experience than talent it seems

 

[cane since birth]

Okay, Mr. "He probably doesn't even watch the games" dumbass...

Second Miami possession:
1st and 10. Pitt is in Cover 4. Safeties 10 yards deep. Rosier zone read. 4 yards.

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2nd and 6. Pitt is in Cover 4. Safeties 9 yards deep. 7 yard completion from Rosier to Harris.

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1st and 10. Pitt is in Cover 4. Safeties 9 yards deep. Rosier QB draw for 3.


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2nd and 7. Pitt is in Cover 4. Safeties 9 yards deep. Homer runs for 3.


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3rd and 4. Pitt is in Cover 4. Safeties 10 yards deep. WLB and MLB showing blitz, but bail out of it at the snap even though it's a run. Homer runs for 2. He gets beat to the sideline by the MLB. Punt.


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2 series. 11 plays. Pitt defense is Cover 4 all 11 plays. Not one play has a safety been in the box. On 10 plays 7 Pitt defenders were in coverage, and on the other there were 6. Travis Homer has been limited to 10 yards on 4 carries (2.5 avg.) by the mighty front 4 of Pitt. Raise your hand when any of this starts making sense to you. Let me know if you're beginning to understand that Pitt did not need to load the box to stop our run game. No need to make **** up. It's actually much worse than you thought. Except through 11 plays, Rosier has thrown 4 passes that all hit receivers in the hands. He's sitting at 50% right now thanks to the two drops I showed earlier.

Whoa whoa no need for the name calling there buddy Ummm you know you can be aggressive and sit on the line in that scheme right? You are showing presnap too they can move up to the box when its snapped, and again you showed 11 of the how many other plays were there in the game??? But regardless we going off point here entirely, the point we were on is that malik had a ton of chances whether in cover 4 or man he still missed guys open he had a bad game which in turn cost us nothing you can show or say dispute that, you can try to pass blame around all you want richt still benched him at one point for his poor play and even told him some crap too if I remember the telecast

 

[cane since birth]

No, but I bet I can quote myself at least a dozen times agreeing with the majority opinion in regards to how streaky and inaccurate Rosier was and how absolutely horrible he played in a few games.

I just don’t understand what 3 or 4 of you get out of lying about how equally bad other units were or exaggerating how great we otherwise played. I mean you guys are literally making **** up for the sole purpose of trashing a guy who has patiently waited his turn and once he had a shot, performed to the best of his ability, which turned out to be far better than any of us ever imagined. He’s not great, and never will be, but he was and still is the best option we have. If someone beats him out, I’m good with it. I just don’t see the need to tear him down to make others look tall. If they’re better and can prove it with their play, they’ll get a chance.

Oh i sh¡t on mccloud, redwine, most of the OL, richts play calling, delaney etc, im not just focusing all my hate on malik at all this is a thread about him if you want i can say mcclouds missed tackles coat us points, that redwine sucks in man and why we play cover one so much with him on slot and how that cost us points in the Wisconsin game, that delaney was getting beat up all year long, that our OL sucked in run blocking at times, If that makes you feel better

 

[Handsome Squidbum]

See you automatically think the season is going to go down the drain because we start perry or williams thats just stupid especially when you said in your same statement that our schedule is cake, saban started a true freshman, so did kirby you can win starting them, but i got a question talent wise who is the best of the group? Because you are more about experience than talent it seems

I'm not going to repost for the third time the stats and articles I provided so I'll summarize: the single best metric for predicting QB success is completion percentage. In other words accuracy. Rosier was categorically awful and nearly the worst in the ACC. Odds are strongly in favor of odds that a more accurate qb will have a better record than an inaccurate qb, irrespective of experience. My understanding of the early reports is that Williams is by far the most accurate passer on the team and it's not close. If that is the case, then it's actually more likely for Williams to lead Miami to a 10 win season and Rosier to go 7-5 or 8-4 (might want to think about what the record would have been in 2017 if a certain WR hadn't made two miracle catches against two relatively bad teams).

 

[cane since birth]

I'm not going to repost for the third time the stats and articles I provided so I'll summarize: the single best metric for predicting QB success is completion percentage. In other words accuracy. Rosier was categorically awful and nearly the worst in the ACC. Odds are strongly in favor of odds that a more accurate qb will have a better record than an inaccurate qb, irrespective of experience. My understanding of the early reports is that Williams is by far the most accurate passer on the team and it's not close. If that is the case, then it's actually more likely for Williams to lead Miami to a 10 win season and Rosier to go 7-5 or 8-4 (might want to think about what the record would have been in 2017 if a certain WR hadn't made two miracle catches against two relatively bad teams).

Yea ive been sitting here waiting for them to counter your point and have yet to see it unless i missed it

 

[Loose Cannon]

Whoa whoa no need for the name calling there buddy Ummm you know you can be aggressive and sit on the line in that scheme right? You are showing presnap too they can move up to the box when its snapped, and again you showed 11 of the how many other plays were there in the game??? But regardless we going off point here entirely, the point we were on is that malik had a ton of chances whether in cover 4 or man he still missed guys open he had a bad game which in turn cost us nothing you can show or say dispute that, you can try to pass blame around all you want richt still benched him at one point for his poor play and even told him some crap too if I remember the telecast

I’m not passing blame. I’m spreading it around, and rightly so. There was plenty of blame to go around. I never once said or implied that Malik played well or even did enough to win. The entire team played like garbage. Nobody played well. And the O-line was particularly bad.

My only point in this back and forth with you has been to once again squash the lie that Pitt put 8 and 9 guys in the box to stop us from running the football. They did no such thing. They did not deviate from their Cover 4 defense on a single down. They were able to hold our running backs to 16 yards without mainly their front 4, and this allowed them to drop 6 and 7 guys into coverage and force Rosier into tougher throws than he was capable of making.

 

[cane since birth]

I’m not passing blame. I’m spreading it around, and rightly so. There was plenty of blame to go around. I never once said or implied that Malik played well or even did enough to win. The entire team played like garbage. Nobody played well. And the O-line was particularly bad.

My only point in this back and forth with you has been to once again squash the lie that Pitt put 8 and 9 guys in the box to stop us from running the football. They did no such thing. They did not deviate from their Cover 4 defense on a single down. They were able to hold our running backs to 16 yards without mainly their front 4, and this allowed them to drop 6 and 7 guys into coverage and force Rosier into tougher throws than he was capable of making.

First look at the other post i wrote to you, second you showed me pre snap those LBs can go up on the line on snap and sit on running lanes which they did, but regardless of the defense they played like i said he had a lot of opportunities and whiffed on them, i put blame where blame is warranted and in that game and in a few others this year it was on him

 

[CaneSince4Ever]

I'm not going to repost for the third time the stats and articles I provided so I'll summarize: the single best metric for predicting QB success is completion percentage. In other words accuracy.

"Single best metric"?...more like myopic.

Kaaya was more accurate than Rosier, how'd that work out against the 4 teams Rosier beat last year that Kaaya couldn't beat in 16' (FSU,UNC,ND, & VT)?

Accuracy is overrated, but it can be coached.

 

[Loose Cannon]

First look at the other post i wrote to you, second you showed me pre snap those LBs can go up on the line on snap and sit on running lanes which they did, but regardless of the defense they played like i said he had a lot of opportunities and whiffed on them, i put blame where blame is warranted and in that game and in a few others this year it was on him

I’m still going to disagree. The blame in that game falls on the O-line’s inability to create more than 16 yards running room for our backs, and I’m going to hold to that until someone can show me a game that was won last season with fewer yards rushing—by any team.

I can’t even believe I’m having to argue this. This is about as fundamental as it gets. If you can hold an opposing team’s running backs to 16 yards, you win 99.99999% of the time regardless of all other factors. The 1970 Thundering Herd could even beat a team that only managed 16 yards rushing.

 

[cane since birth]

"Single best metric"?...more like myopic.

Kaaya was more accurate than Rosier, how'd that work out against the 4 teams Rosier beat last year that Kaaya couldn't beat in 16' (FSU,UNC,ND, & VT)?

Accuracy is overrated, but it can be coached.

And malik played like crap against pitt when kaaya destroyed a better pitt team the year before