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Barry Jackson in Herald today on Manny Diaz

1953 said:
"That Diaz hasn’t succeeded in achieving that is one of the enormous disappointments of his first season, and one that might have been avoided if he had moved toward the spread offense that has frequently flummoxed opposing defenses in modern college football."

"Diaz has clung to the hope that UM could win with a system that won during the glory years, with a pro style offense and power running game, and some modern-day run/pass options and spread elements intertwined. His rationalization is that because the system worked in the 1980s and 1990s, it should work today."

"Look at the top 10 teams in points per game in college football this season. Seven run a traditional spread or some version of the spread the majority of the time or, in some cases, almost entirely: Ohio State (which has added some under-center elements since Ryan Day replaced Urban Meyer), LSU, Oklahoma, UCF, SMU, Memphis and Washington State. An eighth, Alabama, has incorporated more spread elements in recent years."

"UCF, SMU, Memphis and Washington State are vastly outproducing UM’s offense with recruiting classes that were ranked much lower."

"In 2017, Rivals rated Miami’s class 11th, Washington State 51, Memphis 53, UCF 64 and SMU 84th. Of course, with SMU, a huge factor is the Mustangs landing Texas transfer QB Shane Buechele during this past offseason."

"UM, meanwhile, continues to plod along with slow-developing run/pass options -- plays that have become so predictable at times that FIU said several were easy to anticipate -- plus deliberate drop-backs by Jarren Williams from under center (giving defensive players more time to rush) and fake handoffs that usually fool no one."


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the pro style offense that Jim Kelley ran, Bern ran, Vinnie ran, Gino, and KD ran, you can bet your *** will still work. You can throw in some spread and RPO's still. The problem with that O is you have to pretty much have NFL players across the board, which is near impossible, except for Miami, which has these guys, minus the linemen, right in their backyard. The thing about this O is its near impossible to defend, you cant stack the box and play the run you'll get beat deep, you cant double up the outside speed burners that leaves the los wide open, you have to stay honest on D. Another thing is you need a trigger man, a damm good one, like mentioned above, who can read a D and get in the right play and go to the right man, this is why all our QB's went in the draft back then. There are just too many athletes on the field to defend, if yall remember the main reason Leach and Mumme invented the spread was LACK of talent, not because they had talent, they were trying to figure out how to score on a team with more talent than they had, and its morphed into what you see today. Make no mistake a pro style O will work like it always has, we have fielded a bunch of offenses that would put up a bunch o points on any defense out there today, and that 01 D would shut down these high flying O's of today as well, anybody remember going to Houston to face that 50pt per game heisman qb they had ??
 
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305to954 said:
Okay...Barry Jackson is a clown..has been a clown..im sure he reads the message boards to see what fans would agree with in his articles..as stated on this very board..but now we are agreeing with him..**** is weird..that said, a spread offense would not cure the problems that have plagued this team this season. We wouldn’t all of a sudden be scoring 35+ a game. The oline still would’ve gone through the growing pains. The secondary still would’ve had its growing pains it had..we are looking for **** to throw at the wall too see what sticks..if manny is mediocre year two he will be gone simple as that.
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Go back to work in the Hecht punto! Your mole agenda/act has been exposed and rooted out along with @Go Canes!! . No one believes a single stupid word you say, you failed in your defense of the incompetent fools running this program. Failed! Now go run back to Blake and Strawley to report! Lmao
 
Hufftwoseven said:
You guys can give up hope of Miami moving to a spread offense under Manny Diaz. I’ve said it 100 times and I’ll say it 100 more. LSU and Bama have taken steps back on defense after switching to faster offenses that are engineered to be on the field for less time and out up more points. Manny will not sign off on an offense that tires out his defense.
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**** our three and out offense tires out our defense! The reason these teams have taken steps back on defense is because the opposing offense has to try and score more to not get blown out so they pass more. And they play a lot of the younger guys more because they get to garbage time quicker. Mid third quarter these games are over and they get the young guys some burn and not care about the score. That’s a good thing.
 
Astcloud11 said:
Lol...you must've anticipated that our defense would still be one of the worst in FBS cuz the DLine was terrible and switching to a 4-3 wouldn't change a thing. "No way we all of a sudden will start getting sacks and TFL's with this DLine no matter what scheme we run".
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Pay no mind to this fool bro! @305to954 is a Hecht center mole/troll along with @Go Canes!!
 
Liberty City El said:
Who in 2019/20 is still against the Spread Offense?

Teams are winning national championships playing the Spread, the overwhelming majority of every program in P5 & G5 football are playing some form or variation of the Spread.

The only people who are against the Spread is Manny Diaz & the fans of the few teams that are still running Pro style.
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The craziest thing is we had one of the pioneers of offensive football which led to the creation of the spread win two national titles here.

(Dennis Erickson for those of you counting backwards.)
 
NicKane said:
Go back to work in the Hecht punto! Your mole agenda/act has been exposed and rooted out along with @Go Canes!! . No one believes a single stupid word you say, you failed in your defense of the incompetent fools running this program. Failed! Now go run back to Blake and Strawley to report! Lmao
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🤣🤣🤣 we a spread offense away from 35 points a game Nicky..you’ve convinced me
 
Hufftwoseven said:
You guys can give up hope of Miami moving to a spread offense under Manny Diaz. I’ve said it 100 times and I’ll say it 100 more. LSU and Bama have taken steps back on defense after switching to faster offenses that are engineered to be on the field for less time and out up more points. Manny will not sign off on an offense that tires out his defense.
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He is free to do that but actions have consequences. He won’t be around if nothing changes. Hard to imagine a switch being flipped all of a sudden year 2 after that last debacle. I thought just maybe after the short run and actually putting points up against UL there may be hope. A lot further away then I thought.
 
jmccomber5 said:
It’s not just the system. It’s also the personnel deployment (still) and the lack of rhythm. Simple things like not running TE end arounds to the short side of the field when it’s 3rd and goal are hard for Enos to comprehend. It’s the combo of a terribly antiquated system and the fact he’s a complete nerd and wants to feel like he’s the smartest guy in the room.
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Jarren would probably be even more confused by the spread.
 
1953 said:
"That Diaz hasn’t succeeded in achieving that is one of the enormous disappointments of his first season, and one that might have been avoided if he had moved toward the spread offense that has frequently flummoxed opposing defenses in modern college football."

"Diaz has clung to the hope that UM could win with a system that won during the glory years, with a pro style offense and power running game, and some modern-day run/pass options and spread elements intertwined. His rationalization is that because the system worked in the 1980s and 1990s, it should work today."

"Look at the top 10 teams in points per game in college football this season. Seven run a traditional spread or some version of the spread the majority of the time or, in some cases, almost entirely: Ohio State (which has added some under-center elements since Ryan Day replaced Urban Meyer), LSU, Oklahoma, UCF, SMU, Memphis and Washington State. An eighth, Alabama, has incorporated more spread elements in recent years."

"UCF, SMU, Memphis and Washington State are vastly outproducing UM’s offense with recruiting classes that were ranked much lower."

"In 2017, Rivals rated Miami’s class 11th, Washington State 51, Memphis 53, UCF 64 and SMU 84th. Of course, with SMU, a huge factor is the Mustangs landing Texas transfer QB Shane Buechele during this past offseason."

"UM, meanwhile, continues to plod along with slow-developing run/pass options -- plays that have become so predictable at times that FIU said several were easy to anticipate -- plus deliberate drop-backs by Jarren Williams from under center (giving defensive players more time to rush) and fake handoffs that usually fool no one."


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Jackson nailed it.

The key now is to see whether Diaz adapts, or takes one step closer to the unemployment line.

There's no crime or being wrong and failing in his decision this year; the issue is whether he doubles down and sticks by a bad decision, or proves pliable enough to change and adapt.

This offense that Enos ran this year didn't work. It either needs to change for 2020, or a new guy needs to come in and run an offense that will prove successful.

7-9 from the 2017 Pitt loss until Diaz took over and 13-14 since. Writing is on the wall that change is needed. Whether Manny reads it, or not—will ultimately decide his fate.
 
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Hufftwoseven said:
You guys can give up hope of Miami moving to a spread offense under Manny Diaz. I’ve said it 100 times and I’ll say it 100 more. LSU and Bama have taken steps back on defense after switching to faster offenses that are engineered to be on the field for less time and out up more points. Manny will not sign off on an offense that tires out his defense.ap
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The answer is to score as many points on offense as fast as possible and then limit the other team from scoring as much as possible.

You do this by utilyzing the spread and developing quality depth on defense.
 
NicKane said:
Go back to work in the Hecht punto! Your mole agenda/act has been exposed and rooted out along with @Go Canes!! . No one believes a single stupid word you say, you failed in your defense of the incompetent fools running this program. Failed! Now go run back to Blake and Strawley to report! Lmao
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305to954 said:
Okay...Barry Jackson is a clown..has been a clown..im sure he reads the message boards to see what fans would agree with in his articles..as stated on this very board..but now we are agreeing with him..**** is weird..that said, a spread offense would not cure the problems that have plagued this team this season. We wouldn’t all of a sudden be scoring 35+ a game. The oline still would’ve gone through the growing pains. The secondary still would’ve had its growing pains it had..we are looking for **** to throw at the wall too see what sticks..if manny is mediocre year two he will be gone simple as that.
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The QBs wouldn't have to hold the ball as long and the RBs & WRs would get the ball in space which both work to our strengths.
 
1953 said:
"That Diaz hasn’t succeeded in achieving that is one of the enormous disappointments of his first season, and one that might have been avoided if he had moved toward the spread offense that has frequently flummoxed opposing defenses in modern college football."

"Diaz has clung to the hope that UM could win with a system that won during the glory years, with a pro style offense and power running game, and some modern-day run/pass options and spread elements intertwined. His rationalization is that because the system worked in the 1980s and 1990s, it should work today."

"Look at the top 10 teams in points per game in college football this season. Seven run a traditional spread or some version of the spread the majority of the time or, in some cases, almost entirely: Ohio State (which has added some under-center elements since Ryan Day replaced Urban Meyer), LSU, Oklahoma, UCF, SMU, Memphis and Washington State. An eighth, Alabama, has incorporated more spread elements in recent years."

"UCF, SMU, Memphis and Washington State are vastly outproducing UM’s offense with recruiting classes that were ranked much lower."

"In 2017, Rivals rated Miami’s class 11th, Washington State 51, Memphis 53, UCF 64 and SMU 84th. Of course, with SMU, a huge factor is the Mustangs landing Texas transfer QB Shane Buechele during this past offseason."

"UM, meanwhile, continues to plod along with slow-developing run/pass options -- plays that have become so predictable at times that FIU said several were easy to anticipate -- plus deliberate drop-backs by Jarren Williams from under center (giving defensive players more time to rush) and fake handoffs that usually fool no one."


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The pros aren't even running what is considered traditional prostyle offense any more. The past 3 Heisman trophy winners - Lamar Jackson in particular - have changed the notion of what an NFL QB is and offensive coordinators have adjusted to them. In the meantime, we are stuck trying to make antiquated offensive concepts work with athletes that grew up running more sophisticated offenses in little league.
 
McKenzieMoore said:
The QBs wouldn't have to hold the ball as long and the RBs & WRs would get the ball in space which both work to our strengths.
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Hypothetically yes that sounds good. Until the defense decides to crowd said WR/RBs n space. Then what’s your counter. Win 1vs1s on the outside..you watch LSU, Bama, OU and how much time those explosive plays have to develop .

The same issue FSU deals with when it’s comes across teams who can match their skill in space..which happens to be most the ACC. We overrate our skill talent/development. For the most part we’ve depended on a quick passing game..our problem had been the lack of a downfield pass game up until FSU/UL..vs FIU the offense didn’t have a chance to get going because 15 played so poorly.
 
McKenzieMoore said:
The pros aren't even running what is considered traditional prostyle offense any more. The past 3 Heisman trophy winners - Lamar Jackson in particular - have changed the notion of what an NFL QB is and offensive coordinators have adjusted to them. In the meantime, we are stuck trying to make antiquated offensive concepts work with athletes that grew up running more sophisticated offenses in little league.
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lmao..so you think what teams run in HS and little league is more complex then what we are attempting to run here?? You think UCF, mempbhis, and others are based on complexity? You think what Baltimore is running with Lamar is a college spread?. It plays to Lamars strengths but it’s not a true spread attack that u see on Saturdays in the big12. They punch u in the mouth with a power run game.
 
nystateofmind said:
The spread offense in itself is not going to solve all our problems.

We use plenty of spread formations and concepts.

The biggest issue is pace and play calling.

Enos has no feel for the game whatsoever.
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Spread won’t solve all our issues but it’s a starting point to get this offense going.
 
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305to954 said:
Okay...Barry Jackson is a clown..has been a clown..im sure he reads the message boards to see what fans would agree with in his articles..as stated on this very board..but now we are agreeing with him..**** is weird..that said, a spread offense would not cure the problems that have plagued this team this season. We wouldn’t all of a sudden be scoring 35+ a game. The oline still would’ve gone through the growing pains. The secondary still would’ve had its growing pains it had..we are looking for **** to throw at the wall too see what sticks..if manny is mediocre year two he will be gone simple as that.
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Look Manny at his best is Mediocre!
 
305to954 said:
lmao..so you think what teams run in HS and little league is more complex then what we are attempting to run here?? You think UCF, mempbhis, and others are based on complexity? You think what Baltimore is running with Lamar is a college spread?. It plays to Lamars strengths but it’s not a true spread attack that u see on Saturdays in the big12. They punch u in the mouth with a power run game.
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I stand by what I wrote and I know with great certainty that trying to do the same things over and over again and expecting different results is insanity. The offensive philosophy needs a radical change. We have the athletes to score 50+ a game if we tried to outmaneuver and not always overwhelm. That doesn't mean abandoning power running. Alabama, Ohio State, LSU, Oklahoma and Clemson run spread without abandoning power running. We can and should do the same...and it would be great if we had a creative mind calling the plays that can adjust the offense as the roster changes and come up with wrinkles no one else has.
 
Gee whiz who would have thought going spread was a good idea? I mean, can't blame Manny for not thinking of that. New coach now
 
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