B1G vs. SEC for Miami: Realignment Reality Check - Poll

[Pixelated bukake]

Y'inz make some arguments for each. I agree that we fit in better with the B1G from a classroom perspective. But football, which is the primary financial athletic driver at UM, is not played in a classroom. From a football optic, I think SEC is a better fit. Aside from logistics, I would love to have games scheduled against UGA, LSU, Florida, and even Texas.

 

[razrcane]

First, FSU would have to be invited. Even if that happens, it only guarantees a potential game against FSU, it doesn't guarantee UF would be one of the teams we would play annually. UF already plays FSU yearly, along with UGA.

I think they would make us and FSU the permanent rival games. Currently they have 3 permanent games (UGA, Kentucky and South Carolina). I definitely think they would move Kentucky and South Carolina for FSU and Miami no matter how much Florida complained.

 

[futurecane]

I think they would make us and FSU the permanent rival games. Currently they have 3 permanent games (UGA, Kentucky and South Carolina). I definitely think they would move Kentucky and South Carolina for FSU and Miami no matter how much Florida complained.

It’s all about the Benjamin’s, and I know the SEC will make sure that bankroll is full.

 

[supersaiyanshel]

the sec would find every way to **** us since we arent the southern school w a southern heritage (aka confederates)

The Big 10 would do the same. The ACC currently is.

Nobody likes us.

 

[EmCane]

A lot of folks have similar thoughts ... and I certainly understand it as nice not to have to travel so far to watch your favorite team.

But wouldn't it be wiser for UM to consider accommodating familes and friends of most student-athletes by making their travel to away games less of a grind?

Why would UM accommodate employees instead of customers? That is a good way to loose money, and we all know they don't want to do that. Also, once you have to travel by plane, how much more of a "grind" is an hour or 2 of fight time?

 

[Pixelated bukake]

Also, I do not care about Florida having an objection to the SEC adding us and maybe even FSU. Third most populous state and you get to be the only representative in the conference? Get ****ed, mate.

 

[futurecane]

Why would UM accommodate employees instead of customers? That is a good way to loose money, and we all know they don't want to do that. Also, once you have to travel by plane, how much more of a "grind" is an hour or 2 of fight time?

If you don’t accommodate the players and their families, don’t be surprised if they don’t come to play at the U.

 

[canesupremacy]

Everyone keeps debating where Miami should end up when the inevitable happens and it’s time to go to a Power 2 conference. Please vote below, and explain why (especially if you prefer the B1G)…

For the purposes of this, I added FSU, Clemson and NC to the SEC, and Notre Dame to the B1G.

I vote for the SEC, and here is why:

1. Roster Footprint

• SEC Territory (~79% of current roster): Nearly 80% of the entire locker room comes from SEC country (Florida, Georgia, Alabama, Louisiana, Texas, Missouri, and North Carolina). That means families can actually drive or catch quick 1-2 hour flights to almost every single road game.
• B1G Territory (~17% of current roster): We pull some talent out of California, Illinois, Ohio, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, and Nebraska, but that's still under a fifth of the team. Sending South Florida kids to Eugene, East Lansing, or Iowa City is a much tougher sell for local families, especially in November!
• Other (~4%): Nevada, Virginia, Idaho, and international roots.

2. Travel Math

If Miami visits every road venue in each league:

• SEC: ~26,900 total round-trip miles (~1,790 miles per trip)
• Big Ten: ~48,820 total round-trip miles (~2,870 miles per trip)

Joining the Big Ten adds nearly 22,000 extra flight miles (+81%). In fact, just four West Coast trips (USC, UCLA, Oregon, Washington) equal almost half of an entire SEC schedule.

3. Culture & Non-Revenue Sports

B1G travel would butcher baseball, soccer, and volleyball schedules with 5-hour midweek flights. Plus, regional SEC matchups (Florida, FSU, Clemson, UNC, LSU, Georgia) match our fan culture far better than cold November trips to Minneapolis or Madison.

Member Teams:

SEC (19): Alabama, Arkansas, Auburn, Clemson, Florida, Florida State, Georgia, Kentucky, LSU, Mississippi State, Missouri, North Carolina, Oklahoma, Ole Miss, South Carolina, Tennessee, Texas, Texas A&M, Vanderbilt.

Big Ten (19): Illinois, Indiana, Iowa, Maryland, Michigan, Michigan State, Minnesota, Nebraska, Northwestern, Notre Dame, Ohio State, Oregon, Penn State, Purdue, Rutgers, UCLA, USC, Washington, Wisconsin.

I know about the AAU status, media rights, etc - but looking at it from a pure football standpoint, the SEC makes sense. We’ve played and won National Championships and huge games against Oklahoma, Texas, Alabama, FSU, Clemson, Florida, LSU, Ole Miss, Georgia, Texas A&M… I couldn’t say that for 80% of the B1G, except Ohio State, Notre Dame, and maybe a Michigan/UCLA.

Do you really want to go to a game in Iowa, Illinois, Indiana, Minnesota, Nebraska, Maryland or Ohio in November? Seriously?

Absolutely. We will never get a fair shake in SEC

 

[Snoop]

If FSU go SEC and Miami go B1G I'm sure the rivalry would continue as our one out of conference P4 game.

It would be the exact same setup FSU and UF have right now (they would then be able to play each other as an in-conference rival).

It's in both schools' best interest to keep it going

 

[TboneJones]

Everyone keeps debating where Miami should end up when the inevitable happens and it’s time to go to a Power 2 conference. Please vote below, and explain why (especially if you prefer the B1G)…

For the purposes of this, I added FSU, Clemson and NC to the SEC, and Notre Dame to the B1G.

I vote for the SEC, and here is why:

1. Roster Footprint

• SEC Territory (~79% of current roster): Nearly 80% of the entire locker room comes from SEC country (Florida, Georgia, Alabama, Louisiana, Texas, Missouri, and North Carolina). That means families can actually drive or catch quick 1-2 hour flights to almost every single road game.
• B1G Territory (~17% of current roster): We pull some talent out of California, Illinois, Ohio, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, and Nebraska, but that's still under a fifth of the team. Sending South Florida kids to Eugene, East Lansing, or Iowa City is a much tougher sell for local families, especially in November!
• Other (~4%): Nevada, Virginia, Idaho, and international roots.

2. Travel Math

If Miami visits every road venue in each league:

• SEC: ~26,900 total round-trip miles (~1,790 miles per trip)
• Big Ten: ~48,820 total round-trip miles (~2,870 miles per trip)

Joining the Big Ten adds nearly 22,000 extra flight miles (+81%). In fact, just four West Coast trips (USC, UCLA, Oregon, Washington) equal almost half of an entire SEC schedule.

3. Culture & Non-Revenue Sports

B1G travel would butcher baseball, soccer, and volleyball schedules with 5-hour midweek flights. Plus, regional SEC matchups (Florida, FSU, Clemson, UNC, LSU, Georgia) match our fan culture far better than cold November trips to Minneapolis or Madison.

Member Teams:

SEC (19): Alabama, Arkansas, Auburn, Clemson, Florida, Florida State, Georgia, Kentucky, LSU, Mississippi State, Missouri, North Carolina, Oklahoma, Ole Miss, South Carolina, Tennessee, Texas, Texas A&M, Vanderbilt.

Big Ten (19): Illinois, Indiana, Iowa, Maryland, Michigan, Michigan State, Minnesota, Nebraska, Northwestern, Notre Dame, Ohio State, Oregon, Penn State, Purdue, Rutgers, UCLA, USC, Washington, Wisconsin.

I know about the AAU status, media rights, etc - but looking at it from a pure football standpoint, the SEC makes sense. We’ve played and won National Championships and huge games against Oklahoma, Texas, Alabama, FSU, Clemson, Florida, LSU, Ole Miss, Georgia, Texas A&M… I couldn’t say that for 80% of the B1G, except Ohio State, Notre Dame, and maybe a Michigan/UCLA.

Do you really want to go to a game in Iowa, Illinois, Indiana, Minnesota, Nebraska, Maryland or Ohio in November? Seriously?

The Big 10 is more money, a better ran conference, more prestige with the AAU, and the football is better due to superior coaching.

 

[NE Canes]

The Big 10 would do the same. The ACC currently is.

Nobody likes us.

It would be decades before either treated Miami like their own. Both will put us in the basement for 20 more years until they graciously allow us to compete.

Everything Mario is building will be wiped away with poor schedules, bad calls and overburdensome oversight.

 

[Angry Ibis]

B1G. Better historic matchups. National footprint. Better academics. Athletics on par with anyone assuming we continue to take them seriously and fix our broken sports.

And… **** the SEC

But I am curious… there are lots of comments how the SEC schedule would be more difficult. Yet in every other thread we give those teams no credit and ***** about them being ranked. Interesting.

And this inferiority complex of how every conference will ***** us… the reason we fell off the map rests squarely in the mirror. Miami’s downfall was on us, not anyone else.

 

[RF-4CCane]

Funny to think some of you think Miami would play FSU & UiF every year if went to SEC

Why not? Every SEC team has at least three annual rivalry games right now.

The Big10 only schedules 1 annual rivalry game every year, so that they can make sure OSU, Michigan and Indiana get their plate full of crème puffs.

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[td]Auburn[/td][td]Alabama, Georgia, Vanderbilt[/td]
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[td]Florida[/td][td]Georgia, Kentucky, South Carolina[/td]
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[td]Georgia[/td][td]Auburn, Florida, South Carolina[/td]
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[td]Kentucky[/td][td]Florida, South Carolina, Tennessee[/td]
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[td]LSU[/td][td]Arkansas, Ole Miss, Texas A&M[/td]
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[td]Mississippi State[/td][td]Alabama, Ole Miss, Vanderbilt[/td]
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[td]Missouri[/td][td]Arkansas, Oklahoma, Texas A&M[/td]
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[td]Oklahoma[/td][td]Ole Miss, Missouri, Texas[/td]
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[td]Ole Miss[/td][td]LSU, Mississippi State, Oklahoma[/td]
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[td]South Carolina[/td][td]Florida, Georgia, Kentucky[/td]
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[td]Tennessee[/td][td]Alabama, Kentucky, Vanderbilt[/td]
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[td]Texas[/td][td]Arkansas, Oklahoma, Texas A&M[/td]
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[td]Texas A&M[/td][td]LSU, Missouri, Texas[/td]
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[td]Vanderbilt[/td][td]Auburn, Mississippi State, Tennessee[/td]
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[Miami04]

Another reason sec, we continue to lose the few rivalry games we have left. A move to the sec with fsu and VT preserves those rivalries and resumes the UF one.

We have zero natural rivals in the big 10 and you guarantee if we’re in a different conference than fsu they won’t play us again.

College football is losing all the natural rivalries that make it so good and I’d hate to be on the wrong side of that.

 

[RVACane]

I don't know. The SEC wants to recruit SFLA more than any other conference, and making us suck would help them get talent from the area. I don't trust them, at all. Not that I trust anyone.

I don’t trust either. The big refs do their jobs almost as badly as the ACC. I’d prefer the B12 for football and their refs but clearly hats not an option

 

[OBLIVION]

I don’t trust either. The big refs do their jobs almost as badly as the ACC. I’d prefer the B12 for football and their refs but clearly hats not an option

If the Big 12 still had OU, Texas, and aTm, I’d be with you to some extent. But in its current state, I don’t really see anything that’s going to move the conference forward in a meaningful way. And for me personally, those road games wouldn’t be very appealing either.

 

[RF-4CCane]

I realize to Floridians, frigid is anything under 50 degrees. But, frozen tundras are mostly a myth from the past. Games end in November and it ain't what is used to be. I remember taking our daughter to visit Miami is Fed 1998, when our son was already a freshman there. It was about 54 and we were walking around in shorts. Miami students were in fleece, winter coats and hats. Average high temperature for Ann Arbor in November is 52 degrees and average snowfall for the month is 4.6 inches.

You kind of just made his point for him.

You were in shorts in 54*, South Floridians were in winter coats.
Where do you think the majority of our players come from?

And it doesn’t matter how good of shape you’re in. UM didn’t just set the record for home wins because they were good, they were, but northern teams came down here and couldn’t handle the heat, especially when we made our schedules and didn’t waste September/October games at 7:30pm.

The Big 10 isn’t going to help us. They are run by OSU and Michigan. You can guarantee our schedule will suck donkey balls, every year.

They are not going to schedule us to our advantages. We will play at Minnesota, OSU, Michigan, Notre Dame most likely, Iowa, Rutgers, Illinois, Indiana etc., in November games guaranteed.

Our home games early in the season will be at night or against OOC teams.

“It’s not like it used to be”. Weather is cyclical. I’ve been in Minnesota at Thanksgiving when they had a three day blizzard of -32* and 2’ of snow.

****, I used to have Faculty season tickets at Vanderbilt and went to a game in early November and it snowed. Spurrier was the HC of SCarolina and Vanderbilt beat them. And that’s just Nashville.

People from up north are used to cold weather and diminish what it’s like to play at noon in Miami in September.
People from South Florida, are used to hot weather and think the cold weather won’t be an issue.

Most of the people voting for the Big 10, have probably never lived in and played football in both extremes, to even comment intelligently on the issue.

You adapt, you just don’t adapt in 2 days.

 

[EmCane]

From a football standpoint, I have yet to see someone say why the B1G would be better for us.

Money has been floated, as has us playing an easier schedule. But as a football team, which one makes us BETTER?

Arguably the one that gives us better recruits, and better competit

If you don’t accommodate the players and their families, don’t be surprised if they don’t come to play at the U.

You think players will not join the Miami football program because for 1-3 games a year they have to fly a couple hours more? That negates the $ in both sports AND academia? Certainly glad you are not making decisions for my alma matter.

 

[EmCane]

Why not? Every SEC team has at least three annual rivalry games right now.

The Big10 only schedules 1 annual rivalry game every year, so that they can make sure OSU, Michigan and Indiana get their plate full of crème puffs.



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[td]Arkansas[/td][td]LSU, Missouri, Texas[/td]
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[td]Auburn[/td][td]Alabama, Georgia, Vanderbilt[/td]
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[td]Florida[/td][td]Georgia, Kentucky, South Carolina[/td]
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[td]Georgia[/td][td]Auburn, Florida, South Carolina[/td]
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[td]Kentucky[/td][td]Florida, South Carolina, Tennessee[/td]
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[td]LSU[/td][td]Arkansas, Ole Miss, Texas A&M[/td]
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[td]Mississippi State[/td][td]Alabama, Ole Miss, Vanderbilt[/td]
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[td]Missouri[/td][td]Arkansas, Oklahoma, Texas A&M[/td]
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[td]Oklahoma[/td][td]Ole Miss, Missouri, Texas[/td]
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[td]Ole Miss[/td][td]LSU, Mississippi State, Oklahoma[/td]
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[td]South Carolina[/td][td]Florida, Georgia, Kentucky[/td]
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[td]Tennessee[/td][td]Alabama, Kentucky, Vanderbilt[/td]
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[td]Texas[/td][td]Arkansas, Oklahoma, Texas A&M[/td]
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[td]Texas A&M[/td][td]LSU, Missouri, Texas[/td]
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[td]Vanderbilt[/td][td]Auburn, Mississippi State, Tennessee[/td]
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Like Florida doesn't have 2 baked in cream puffs in Kentucky and South Carolina. Look at histories of both programs. This happens in every conference, like it is happening in the ACC now. Think you can strike that issue from the decision list, cause it will happen in any new conference we join.

 

[Canedude08]

The highest proportion of Black residents relative to their overall state populations are in the South

Go Canes!

Yet, decades of voter suppression and intimidation has made the South a place most of us don’t want to live in, outside of places like Atlanta, New Orleans and Dallas.