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Avantee Williams arrested

CaneThang2020 said:
Idk fellas - innocent until proven guilty. After reading the article, sounds like self defense to me

“She also spoke about her friend Courtney: "She wrapped her hands around him (victim) to try to pull him off the guy (Tae) when the other man (Tae) shot him."
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Just stop. Why is this dude at random bars with a gun? Eventually, he has to take accountability for why bad things keeps happening to him. Guess what is the common denominator? Avantae Williams. Guess whose college football career completely flamed out, dude can't even get JUCO offers(if he was even eligible to play, I think he's timed out), AVANTAE WILLIAMS.
 
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Gransapo said:
Not my area of law but seems to me he may have a credible Stand Your Ground defense.

Florida’s Stand Your Ground law allows a person to use deadly force if they reasonably believe it’s necessary to prevent death or great bodily harm to themselves or others, or to prevent a forcible felony—without a duty to retreat, even if they can safely do so. The law provides criminal and civil immunity if the use of force is deemed justified.

Obviously, this case is in its infancy but I’m curious as to what any FL criminal defense attorneys think about it.
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Trust me, many cops and prosecutors in Florida pretend that entire statute doesn’t exist. You have to pay big $$ to get the right attorney.

Secondly, it says this occurred in a bar, so the question of if he was legally carrying comes into play. Even a CCW license doesn’t allow you to carry in a bar under most circumstances.

Don’t know the circumstances, just pointing out some potential pitfalls to that defense. If we have a criminal defense atty present, perhaps they can expound on that.
 
Self defense generally provides that you can use an amount of force that is equivalent to the threat you are facing. For example, if someone is threatening to punch you, you cannot shoot them as your use of force is greater than the threat.

As to the gun, we will need a Florida attorney to tell us whether the legality of the possession removes the right to self defense. That is different from state to state. Georgia does not allow convicted felons who use a firearm to defend themselves to use self defense unless the firearm was possessed after the threat (think of grabbing your friend’s gun after being threatened).

But I would remind everyone to be slow to argue self defense or otherwise. A newspaper article will be 1/100 of all the facts in this case that a jury will hear.
 
HurricaneKush said:
Felt like he was from an era where we’d miss on all the big recruits, but would get 2 or 3 high ranked kids like him to trick the aggregate into looking like we had a great class. We it like 1/12 on those kinds of kids.
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I said that at the time, there's a reason we don't get the best of So Fl who leave. We weren't very competitive, so we ended up with the bottom of the barrel that most other programs didn't want to deal with based on the recruiting profiles they did on them. Maybe great athletes, but the intangibles had them still available.
 
AtlAtty said:
Self defense generally provides that you can use an amount of force that is equivalent to the threat you are facing. For example, if someone is threatening to punch you, you cannot shoot them as your use of force is greater than the threat.

As to the gun, we will need a Florida attorney to tell us whether the legality of the possession removes the right to self defense. That is different from state to state. Georgia does not allow convicted felons who use a firearm to defend themselves to use self defense unless the firearm was possessed after the threat (think of grabbing your friend’s gun after being threatened).

But I would remind everyone to be slow to argue self defense or otherwise. A newspaper article will be 1/100 of all the facts in this case that a jury will hear.
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The first paragraph is different under Florida law.
A firearm can be used under Florida’s stand your ground law even if the threat is a knife, bat or fist. You just have to prove you were in fear for your safety/life.

Not saying that applies here, just pointing out the statutory difference.
 
jps2344 said:
No, I get it man and we are on the same page. I hope but doubt the diamond turnaround is here to stay but share your same pessimism. Football is in a way better spot imo.
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I agree. I guess the years of being mediocre have gotten to me. Just like with football.
 
RF-4CCane said:
The first paragraph is different under Florida law.
A firearm can be used under Florida’s stand your ground law even if the threat is a knife, bat or fist. You just have to prove you were in fear for your safety/life.

Not saying that applies here, just pointing out the statutory difference.
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I didn’t mean to imply that you can’t shoot someone for threatening you with something other than a firearm. A knife, bat or fist can be life threatening. It is just a simpler argument for the defense when the deceased also had a gun.
 
AtlAtty said:
I didn’t mean to imply that you can’t shoot someone for threatening you with something other than a firearm. A knife, bat or fist can be life threatening. It is just a simpler argument for the defense when the deceased also had a gun.
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Certainly.
 
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RF-4CCane said:
The first paragraph is different under Florida law.
A firearm can be used under Florida’s stand your ground law even if the threat is a knife, bat or fist. You just have to prove you were in fear for your safety/life.

Not saying that applies here, just pointing out the statutory difference.
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Not an attorney but I believe you are correct. If the attacker is a martial arts expert then his/her fists would be considered a lethal weapon. The question is...did the shooter have prior knowledge of attacker's expertise/skills before discharging the weapon in self defense.

Another question: If an establishment, under the same roof, has a dedicated bar area and a dedicated family restaurant eating area separated by ...let's say a saloon style swing door. In this case, is a person allowed to carry concealed in the restaurant area?
 
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Juanmanuel V said:
He Rarely played Long enough to even be Considered CTE case? High school is diffrent Caliber he barely player College ball.
Don’t think CTE which is repetitive Trauma directed to the Brain from a safety?Unless he has been Spearing every other Tackle.
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CTE develops differently in individuals.

There isn’t a minimum number of hits to the head that would do it.

Like you said, it is repetitive brain injuries over a period of time.
 
currycane said:
Not an attorney but I believe you are correct. If the attacker is a martial arts expert then his/her fists would be considered a lethal weapon. The question is...did the shooter have prior knowledge of attacker's expertise/skills before discharging the weapon in self defense.

Another question: If an establishment, under the same roof, has a dedicated bar area and a dedicated family restaurant eating area separated by ...let's say a saloon style swing door. In this case, is a person allowed to carry concealed in the restaurant area?
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Yes, if you are seated in the dining area, you may carry. If you are seated at the bar, you may not. That is my understanding as a CCW license holder.
 
AtlAtty said:
But I would remind everyone to be slow to argue self defense or otherwise. A newspaper article will be 1/100 of all the facts in this case that a jury will hear.
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Yes. And also without the benefit of jury instructions as to the elements of the crime that must be proven.
 
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Essex Cane said:
Insane if true smh, guess we'll see the interrogation video on youtube soon
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The first thing I asked when he said it was his brother’s connect was if it was over weed & he said no. Not that it makes the situation any better. That isnt concrete by any means either, just heard it and figured id pass it along. Truth will come out eventually
 
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