Anybody else

[blackvern]

My biggest questions about Butch is how his defenses would adapt to the up tempo spread offense of today? Because he hasn't faced them at his time at UNC or UM.

Also, during his time at UNC he had a 28-23 record over a four year period with a lot of talent.

Congrats on ignoring the fact that he took over a UNC that was basically on the level of Duke (not today's Duke), and then left that team stacked with talent. Talent that he recruited and developed. Talent that he didn't get to truly use, because they were suspended due to the NCAA investigation.

North Carolina Scout Recruiting class

2006 #25
2007 #14
2008 # 27

Lets not forget that Butch had many 3 stars that turned out to be ballers

2009 Butch's third year in...comes into the season ranked....goes 8-5...lost to teams he had more talent than and stunk it up Sounds familiar?

 

[Cat_5_Cane]

Aww ****. My bad guys. Just came to me, Dee Brown.

 

[TedHendricksOffspring]

Im gonna try to ignore the fact that you arguing 2.9 yards a carry against the likes of FAU, Nebraska, and CIncinatti..I'm really gonna try.. Bruh you need to really go back and look at that 2009 year...I know because I lost lots of money that year betting on the Butch...I was young and dumb.... They had tons of returning talent... Greg Little, Marvin Austin , Bruce Carter, , Dnnoris Searcy, TJ Yates Quan sturdivant, they were all drafted they were all mostly juniors and seniors with a few sophmores.... They came into the year ranked and completely stunk it up.... i lost about $500 betting on those ****gots... Butch CHoked against FSU at HOME..and i lost $200 That ****got was corching it up all year with a NFL team..EVen Couples was on that team and was a beast..Oh yeah just looked it up that year Robert Quinn was a sophomore and had 11 sacks..GTFOH mane Butch is trash

And I'm going to ignore that you mathematically ignore that running from 1 equals 1 yard.

It's interesting that your hate of Butch comes from the fact that he cost you your life savings. I'm sorry to hear that. Also many of this guys were suspended during that season. I'm sorry that your Misses is still yelling at your over your poor money investments. But keep working to get that $700 when Butch lost as he got the guys together.

While you're waiting, sit on of these since you're rather butthurt over losing all of your money.

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Ummm that would be false they were suspended the next year

That's when the mass group was suspended. In the previous year, he suspended guys in spurts for unrelated activities.

LMAO!!! Moar excuses....guys in spurts were suspended..Jesus Christ man listen to yourself!!!! All those guys played the important games...reading this out loud Im sure you had a hard on for Golden when he got here.....We will just have to agree to disagree....... Your fullof positivity, glass half full kinda guy...I get it

Blackvern Logic=Guys who didn't play in major games and were major players otherwise is an excuse. Okey doke, sunshine.

And I've been a vocal hater of Golden since 2013 so you can think about erections elsewhere. You held on to that longer than I did and have talked about believing in him before.

We will agree to disagree. I'm positive unless of course the next installment of Bleakvisions comes out and then I have to pour some out on principle. Maybe fuller glass will birth to just Visions instead of Bleakvisions. Smell on up on the roses.

 

[ncncanes]

Actually .... you missed a fact - the team vacated all wins in 2009 bc of the NCAA investigation and sanctions ...... this is the problem with Butch that just wont go away
- 5 years no one has hired jim

 

[Cane Dynasty]

Who's that super old Dude that coached Kansas st, left, then came back and kicked our *** and went to a bcs game?

Dee Snyder

That man is a goddam genius. 16 time world champion too. I saw him in Palm Beach once.

 

[blackvern]

And I'm going to ignore that you mathematically ignore that running from 1 equals 1 yard.

It's interesting that your hate of Butch comes from the fact that he cost you your life savings. I'm sorry to hear that. Also many of this guys were suspended during that season. I'm sorry that your Misses is still yelling at your over your poor money investments. But keep working to get that $700 when Butch lost as he got the guys together.

While you're waiting, sit on of these since you're rather butthurt over losing all of your money.

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Ummm that would be false they were suspended the next year

That's when the mass group was suspended. In the previous year, he suspended guys in spurts for unrelated activities.

LMAO!!! Moar excuses....guys in spurts were suspended..Jesus Christ man listen to yourself!!!! All those guys played the important games...reading this out loud Im sure you had a hard on for Golden when he got here.....We will just have to agree to disagree....... Your fullof positivity, glass half full kinda guy...I get it

Blackvern Logic=Guys who didn't play in major games and were major players otherwise is an excuse. Okey done, sunshine.

And I've been a vocal hater of Golden since 2013 so you can think about erections elsewhere. You held on to that longer than I did and have talked about believing in him before.

We will agree to disagree. I'm positive unless of course the next installment of Bleakvisions comes out and then I have to pour some out on principle. Maybe fuller glass will birth to just Visions instead of Bleakvisions. Smell on up on the roses.

LOL No love lost mane.. I just dont trust BUtch...just seems to easy....looks like fools gold mane

 

[UMFarArcher]

"Pups." I was there and remember Butch and his inadequacies well. Coaches like Urban, or Saban, or Patterson would slap Butch silly. Even Blandy beat him. No thanks (unless there is absolutely no other reasonable option available).

The top 3 coaches in college are better than Butch? I guess we should criticize Tom Osborne for the fact that Bobby Bowden, Bear Bryant, and Woody Hayes were better than him. Galen Hall once beat Jimmy Johnson. Is he better than Jimmy? Who do you recommend, Coach TRock305?

Read the prior posts; others were comparing those guys to Botch in terms of age. There is no comparison between these guys and Butch, however. Butch was consistently outsmarted and it took enormous talent to overcome his deficits. Sure, he, along with people like Chud, Coker, Pagano, Schiano etc put together an incredible roster his last three seasons but he also managed to underperform two of those 3 years. 66-13 with the conf title on the line... smh. And, for some reason Butch is credited as being solely responsible for those rosters, as if coordinators and assistants don't do the bulk of recruiting work. Sure, if Butch could put together an incredible staff, and if they could re-create one of the best rosters in college football history again, he might manage to get into a conference championship game; but that's a lot of ifs. There is no guarantee of that after all this time, and particularly with an administration that isn't willing to bend the rules to let anyone the coach wants into the University. With this admin., UM is far better off with an Xs & Os guy. I'm not going to pretend to have watched enough of the Houstons, Memphises, and Northern Illinois of the college football world to know who the best coaches are right now.
But I've seen enough of Butch to know he ain't it.

Stop watching the 30 for 30s. It's ancient history. UM needs to turn the page.

You didn't answer the question, you smoke-and-mirror princess. You're annoyed that I trashed your stupid point and now you're backpedaling. He out Paterno in the game Ed Reed blew the coverage at the end and you dumb argument that you're missing is once his talent was on par with those guys, he beat them. And then you follow it up by listing the great staff he put together as a negative because you're too butthurt to give him his dues.

You reference the Syracuse game. Breaking news: That Syracuse team was better and led by a multi-time Pro-Bowler and we had Scott Covington. Your sour bitterness extends so far that now you're putting down his recruiting and evaluations? That's pathetic and ungrateful. So passive aggressive with your conference championship jab and saying all those if's when he accomplished all those if's before, dumb-dumb. And your line of bending the rules fails too since the school has a policy of bending the rules for a few recruits a year according to Pete. I've seen enough of Butch to know that he can evaluate and recruit both coaches and talent at the highest level for over 25 years while you cry and pretend it isn't true because Butch wronged you at some point in your life.

Stop being mad that Butch didn't recruit. Not everybody is good enough to play for Miami. Your better days are behind. Move on with your life and forget whatever slight Butch did to you and realize he can be back, win, and you'll just have to accept it.

Your love of Butch is unnatural. You get so offended. Maybe he'll get hired at Maryland and you can become a Terp. Good luck with that.

Ho Li Crap.

I think you said you remembered Butch - He didn't recruit you, did he?

That's why you got a weed up urass. You wanted him to recruit you, and you weren't good enough!

That's not Butch's fault!

 

[TRock305]

You and Butch will look great in George Calvert colors. Good luck up there.

 

[UMFarArcher]

Ummm that would be false they were suspended the next year

That's when the mass group was suspended. In the previous year, he suspended guys in spurts for unrelated activities.

LMAO!!! Moar excuses....guys in spurts were suspended..Jesus Christ man listen to yourself!!!! All those guys played the important games...reading this out loud Im sure you had a hard on for Golden when he got here.....We will just have to agree to disagree....... Your fullof positivity, glass half full kinda guy...I get it

Blackvern Logic=Guys who didn't play in major games and were major players otherwise is an excuse. Okey done, sunshine.

And I've been a vocal hater of Golden since 2013 so you can think about erections elsewhere. You held on to that longer than I did and have talked about believing in him before.

We will agree to disagree. I'm positive unless of course the next installment of Bleakvisions comes out and then I have to pour some out on principle. Maybe fuller glass will birth to just Visions instead of Bleakvisions. Smell on up on the roses.

LOL No love lost mane.. I just dont trust BUtch...just seems to easy....looks like fools gold mane

Vern, I used to hunt and track down men for a living. I found that folks just can't help who they are - their habits are ingrained, their tendencies push their directions, they go through the same progressions, and they have consistent patterns of behavior.

I'd track a man, and note that he' step over a log with the same foot first, go around an obstacle to the left or to the right - consistently. Terrain permitting, he'd have the same push off on his dominant foot, same heel-to-toe distance, would pause with consistency and with the same movements - in fact - after a while, I could get out a map and then beat him to his objective.

Butch is extremely intuitive, very careful on player evaluations, goes after top athletes, is quite skilled in recruiting those he evaluates very well, he picks good coordinators, he picks good position coaches, and the numbers say that he is the very best at developing players who can have immediate impact in the NFL.

I can't help it - that's how I look at folks. I look at the tracks they make, the habits they've developed, the tendencies they exhibit, and the patterns they follow.

Butch is the same Butch that built UM before. He'll build a powerhouse. It's just who he is.

 

[TedHendricksOffspring]

Ummm that would be false they were suspended the next year

That's when the mass group was suspended. In the previous year, he suspended guys in spurts for unrelated activities.

LMAO!!! Moar excuses....guys in spurts were suspended..Jesus Christ man listen to yourself!!!! All those guys played the important games...reading this out loud Im sure you had a hard on for Golden when he got here.....We will just have to agree to disagree....... Your fullof positivity, glass half full kinda guy...I get it

Blackvern Logic=Guys who didn't play in major games and were major players otherwise is an excuse. Okey done, sunshine.

And I've been a vocal hater of Golden since 2013 so you can think about erections elsewhere. You held on to that longer than I did and have talked about believing in him before.

We will agree to disagree. I'm positive unless of course the next installment of Bleakvisions comes out and then I have to pour some out on principle. Maybe fuller glass will birth to just Visions instead of Bleakvisions. Smell on up on the roses.

LOL No love lost mane.. I just dont trust BUtch...just seems to easy....looks like fools gold mane

Nothing but love here too, my friend. I'm very clearly a Butch supporter BUT I admit that a fool's gold situation is possible. DMoney made the John Robinson at USC comparison and that is possible but I think a triumphant return ala Bill Snyder is even more possible and obviously what I am hoping for.

And just for you, mane.

 

[Tad Footeball]

I'd like to see someone tell Butch to his face that he's too old for this job. He'd beat you unconscious with one hand and wouldn't lose a drop of his freshly cracked Miller Lite with his other. The only thing you'd remember is Ed Hudak arresting you after for disturbing the peace.

 

[blackvern]

That's when the mass group was suspended. In the previous year, he suspended guys in spurts for unrelated activities.

LMAO!!! Moar excuses....guys in spurts were suspended..Jesus Christ man listen to yourself!!!! All those guys played the important games...reading this out loud Im sure you had a hard on for Golden when he got here.....We will just have to agree to disagree....... Your fullof positivity, glass half full kinda guy...I get it

Blackvern Logic=Guys who didn't play in major games and were major players otherwise is an excuse. Okey done, sunshine.

And I've been a vocal hater of Golden since 2013 so you can think about erections elsewhere. You held on to that longer than I did and have talked about believing in him before.

We will agree to disagree. I'm positive unless of course the next installment of Bleakvisions comes out and then I have to pour some out on principle. Maybe fuller glass will birth to just Visions instead of Bleakvisions. Smell on up on the roses.

LOL No love lost mane.. I just dont trust BUtch...just seems to easy....looks like fools gold mane

Vern, I used to hunt and track down men for a living. I found that folks just can't help who they are - their habits are ingrained, their tendencies push their directions, they go through the same progressions, and they have consistent patterns of behavior.

I'd track a man, and note that he' step over a log with the same foot first, go around an obstacle to the left or to the right - consistently. Terrain permitting, he'd have the same push off on his dominant foot, same heel-to-toe distance, would pause with consistency and with the same movements - in fact - after a while, I could get out a map and then beat him to his objective.

Butch is extremely intuitive, very careful on player evaluations, goes after top athletes, is quite skilled in recruiting those he evaluates very well, he picks good coordinators, he picks good position coaches, and the numbers say that he is the very best at developing players who can have immediate impact in the NFL.

I can't help it - that's how I look at folks. I look at the tracks they make, the habits they've developed, the tendencies they exhibit, and the patterns they follow.

Butch is the same Butch that built UM before. He'll build a powerhouse. It's just who he is.

I hope your right mane..I hope your right about Butch..even though I dont think BOT's want him

But I stopped thinking Butch was a god of talent after he chose William Green over Clinton Portis

 

[UMFarArcher]

LMAO!!! Moar excuses....guys in spurts were suspended..Jesus Christ man listen to yourself!!!! All those guys played the important games...reading this out loud Im sure you had a hard on for Golden when he got here.....We will just have to agree to disagree....... Your fullof positivity, glass half full kinda guy...I get it

Blackvern Logic=Guys who didn't play in major games and were major players otherwise is an excuse. Okey done, sunshine.

And I've been a vocal hater of Golden since 2013 so you can think about erections elsewhere. You held on to that longer than I did and have talked about believing in him before.

We will agree to disagree. I'm positive unless of course the next installment of Bleakvisions comes out and then I have to pour some out on principle. Maybe fuller glass will birth to just Visions instead of Bleakvisions. Smell on up on the roses.

LOL No love lost mane.. I just dont trust BUtch...just seems to easy....looks like fools gold mane

Vern, I used to hunt and track down men for a living. I found that folks just can't help who they are - their habits are ingrained, their tendencies push their directions, they go through the same progressions, and they have consistent patterns of behavior.

I'd track a man, and note that he' step over a log with the same foot first, go around an obstacle to the left or to the right - consistently. Terrain permitting, he'd have the same push off on his dominant foot, same heel-to-toe distance, would pause with consistency and with the same movements - in fact - after a while, I could get out a map and then beat him to his objective.

Butch is extremely intuitive, very careful on player evaluations, goes after top athletes, is quite skilled in recruiting those he evaluates very well, he picks good coordinators, he picks good position coaches, and the numbers say that he is the very best at developing players who can have immediate impact in the NFL.

I can't help it - that's how I look at folks. I look at the tracks they make, the habits they've developed, the tendencies they exhibit, and the patterns they follow.

Butch is the same Butch that built UM before. He'll build a powerhouse. It's just who he is.

I hope your right mane..I hope your right about Butch..even though I dont think BOT's want him

But I stopped thinking Butch was a god of talent after he chose William Green over Clinton Portis

Even Jesus picked Judas.

 

[Cane Dynasty]

LMAO!!! Moar excuses....guys in spurts were suspended..Jesus Christ man listen to yourself!!!! All those guys played the important games...reading this out loud Im sure you had a hard on for Golden when he got here.....We will just have to agree to disagree....... Your fullof positivity, glass half full kinda guy...I get it

Blackvern Logic=Guys who didn't play in major games and were major players otherwise is an excuse. Okey done, sunshine.

And I've been a vocal hater of Golden since 2013 so you can think about erections elsewhere. You held on to that longer than I did and have talked about believing in him before.

We will agree to disagree. I'm positive unless of course the next installment of Bleakvisions comes out and then I have to pour some out on principle. Maybe fuller glass will birth to just Visions instead of Bleakvisions. Smell on up on the roses.

LOL No love lost mane.. I just dont trust BUtch...just seems to easy....looks like fools gold mane

Vern, I used to hunt and track down men for a living. I found that folks just can't help who they are - their habits are ingrained, their tendencies push their directions, they go through the same progressions, and they have consistent patterns of behavior.

I'd track a man, and note that he' step over a log with the same foot first, go around an obstacle to the left or to the right - consistently. Terrain permitting, he'd have the same push off on his dominant foot, same heel-to-toe distance, would pause with consistency and with the same movements - in fact - after a while, I could get out a map and then beat him to his objective.

Butch is extremely intuitive, very careful on player evaluations, goes after top athletes, is quite skilled in recruiting those he evaluates very well, he picks good coordinators, he picks good position coaches, and the numbers say that he is the very best at developing players who can have immediate impact in the NFL.

I can't help it - that's how I look at folks. I look at the tracks they make, the habits they've developed, the tendencies they exhibit, and the patterns they follow.

Butch is the same Butch that built UM before. He'll build a powerhouse. It's just who he is.

I hope your right mane..I hope your right about Butch..even though I dont think BOT's want him

But I stopped thinking Butch was a god of talent after he chose William Green over Clinton Portis

GTFOOH with that schit. Butch Davis hits over and over again. Of course he makes a mistake now and again but his overwhelming body of work with player evals is unrivaled. One ******* mistake and you're ready to throw the baby out with the bathwater.

Cmon mane. Your analytical abilities are much better than this.

Did you miss the 199-2002 era?

 

[blackvern]

Blackvern Logic=Guys who didn't play in major games and were major players otherwise is an excuse. Okey done, sunshine.

And I've been a vocal hater of Golden since 2013 so you can think about erections elsewhere. You held on to that longer than I did and have talked about believing in him before.

We will agree to disagree. I'm positive unless of course the next installment of Bleakvisions comes out and then I have to pour some out on principle. Maybe fuller glass will birth to just Visions instead of Bleakvisions. Smell on up on the roses.

LOL No love lost mane.. I just dont trust BUtch...just seems to easy....looks like fools gold mane

Vern, I used to hunt and track down men for a living. I found that folks just can't help who they are - their habits are ingrained, their tendencies push their directions, they go through the same progressions, and they have consistent patterns of behavior.

I'd track a man, and note that he' step over a log with the same foot first, go around an obstacle to the left or to the right - consistently. Terrain permitting, he'd have the same push off on his dominant foot, same heel-to-toe distance, would pause with consistency and with the same movements - in fact - after a while, I could get out a map and then beat him to his objective.

Butch is extremely intuitive, very careful on player evaluations, goes after top athletes, is quite skilled in recruiting those he evaluates very well, he picks good coordinators, he picks good position coaches, and the numbers say that he is the very best at developing players who can have immediate impact in the NFL.

I can't help it - that's how I look at folks. I look at the tracks they make, the habits they've developed, the tendencies they exhibit, and the patterns they follow.

Butch is the same Butch that built UM before. He'll build a powerhouse. It's just who he is.

I hope your right mane..I hope your right about Butch..even though I dont think BOT's want him

But I stopped thinking Butch was a god of talent after he chose William Green over Clinton Portis

Even Jesus picked Judas.

LOL **** naw

 

[blackvern]

Blackvern Logic=Guys who didn't play in major games and were major players otherwise is an excuse. Okey done, sunshine.

And I've been a vocal hater of Golden since 2013 so you can think about erections elsewhere. You held on to that longer than I did and have talked about believing in him before.

We will agree to disagree. I'm positive unless of course the next installment of Bleakvisions comes out and then I have to pour some out on principle. Maybe fuller glass will birth to just Visions instead of Bleakvisions. Smell on up on the roses.

LOL No love lost mane.. I just dont trust BUtch...just seems to easy....looks like fools gold mane

Vern, I used to hunt and track down men for a living. I found that folks just can't help who they are - their habits are ingrained, their tendencies push their directions, they go through the same progressions, and they have consistent patterns of behavior.

I'd track a man, and note that he' step over a log with the same foot first, go around an obstacle to the left or to the right - consistently. Terrain permitting, he'd have the same push off on his dominant foot, same heel-to-toe distance, would pause with consistency and with the same movements - in fact - after a while, I could get out a map and then beat him to his objective.

Butch is extremely intuitive, very careful on player evaluations, goes after top athletes, is quite skilled in recruiting those he evaluates very well, he picks good coordinators, he picks good position coaches, and the numbers say that he is the very best at developing players who can have immediate impact in the NFL.

I can't help it - that's how I look at folks. I look at the tracks they make, the habits they've developed, the tendencies they exhibit, and the patterns they follow.

Butch is the same Butch that built UM before. He'll build a powerhouse. It's just who he is.

I hope your right mane..I hope your right about Butch..even though I dont think BOT's want him

But I stopped thinking Butch was a god of talent after he chose William Green over Clinton Portis

GTFOOH with that schit. Butch Davis hits over and over again. Of course he makes a mistake now and again but his overwhelming body of work with player evals is unrivaled. One ******* mistake and you're ready to throw the baby out with the bathwater.

Cmon mane. Your analytical abilities are much better than this.

Did you miss the 199-2002 era?

Your right... that was a lame attempt to discredit Butch even more..at the time I hated him for leaving and i hated that he drafted that Bust William Green..when you think about ot////him leaving is what started the downward spiral....Dammit mane..The root of the problem is I cnat forgive him mane...(scorned lover )

 

[Cane Dynasty]

LOL No love lost mane.. I just dont trust BUtch...just seems to easy....looks like fools gold mane

Vern, I used to hunt and track down men for a living. I found that folks just can't help who they are - their habits are ingrained, their tendencies push their directions, they go through the same progressions, and they have consistent patterns of behavior.

I'd track a man, and note that he' step over a log with the same foot first, go around an obstacle to the left or to the right - consistently. Terrain permitting, he'd have the same push off on his dominant foot, same heel-to-toe distance, would pause with consistency and with the same movements - in fact - after a while, I could get out a map and then beat him to his objective.

Butch is extremely intuitive, very careful on player evaluations, goes after top athletes, is quite skilled in recruiting those he evaluates very well, he picks good coordinators, he picks good position coaches, and the numbers say that he is the very best at developing players who can have immediate impact in the NFL.

I can't help it - that's how I look at folks. I look at the tracks they make, the habits they've developed, the tendencies they exhibit, and the patterns they follow.

Butch is the same Butch that built UM before. He'll build a powerhouse. It's just who he is.

I hope your right mane..I hope your right about Butch..even though I dont think BOT's want him

But I stopped thinking Butch was a god of talent after he chose William Green over Clinton Portis

GTFOOH with that schit. Butch Davis hits over and over again. Of course he makes a mistake now and again but his overwhelming body of work with player evals is unrivaled. One ******* mistake and you're ready to throw the baby out with the bathwater.

Cmon mane. Your analytical abilities are much better than this.

Did you miss the 199-2002 era?

Your right... that was a lame attempt to discredit Butch even more..at the time I hated him for leaving and i hated that he drafted that Bust William Green..when you think about ot////him leaving is what started the downward spiral....Dammit mane..The root of the problem is I cnat forgive him mane...(scorned lover )

I was mad as **** that Butch left too but that was 16 years ago. I know what real looks like and Butch Davis' NCAA teams are REAL AS FVCK.

 

[nycane]

LOL No love lost mane.. I just dont trust BUtch...just seems to easy....looks like fools gold mane

Vern, I used to hunt and track down men for a living. I found that folks just can't help who they are - their habits are ingrained, their tendencies push their directions, they go through the same progressions, and they have consistent patterns of behavior.

I'd track a man, and note that he' step over a log with the same foot first, go around an obstacle to the left or to the right - consistently. Terrain permitting, he'd have the same push off on his dominant foot, same heel-to-toe distance, would pause with consistency and with the same movements - in fact - after a while, I could get out a map and then beat him to his objective.

Butch is extremely intuitive, very careful on player evaluations, goes after top athletes, is quite skilled in recruiting those he evaluates very well, he picks good coordinators, he picks good position coaches, and the numbers say that he is the very best at developing players who can have immediate impact in the NFL.

I can't help it - that's how I look at folks. I look at the tracks they make, the habits they've developed, the tendencies they exhibit, and the patterns they follow.

Butch is the same Butch that built UM before. He'll build a powerhouse. It's just who he is.

I hope your right mane..I hope your right about Butch..even though I dont think BOT's want him

But I stopped thinking Butch was a god of talent after he chose William Green over Clinton Portis

GTFOOH with that schit. Butch Davis hits over and over again. Of course he makes a mistake now and again but his overwhelming body of work with player evals is unrivaled. One ******* mistake and you're ready to throw the baby out with the bathwater.

Cmon mane. Your analytical abilities are much better than this.

Did you miss the 199-2002 era?

Your right... that was a lame attempt to discredit Butch even more..at the time I hated him for leaving and i hated that he drafted that Bust William Green..when you think about ot////him leaving is what started the downward spiral....Dammit mane..The root of the problem is I cnat forgive him mane...(scorned lover )

i felt the same way. we were on the verge of an unstoppable dynasty. however, it seems looking back that donna jerked him around because she wanted to bring in barry alvarez

 

[Dwinstitles]

gibbs doesnt rrecruit lol


tf is this ****

 

[Dwinstitles]

I kinda feel the same way, hiring butch is basically hiring for the older times, we need a new guy for the new times, herman fits that perfectly

***** im 33 lol