An underlying issue

[canesman]

I call BS.

Who on the FSU or UF staff has any SFLA connections other than Robinson?

 

[Big Toney]

What's wrong with the program:
1. We are being out coached every game.
2. Our DC stinks
3. South Florida recruiting has turned into AAU basketball, a game we cannot play being on probation.
4. Questionable non-offers. ( Treon, McKensie, etc)
5. Lack of playmakers and speed on both sides of the ball.
6. Our DC stinks again

Ask yourself this question, when is the last time you heard a recruit say I'm coming to Miami because of Jethro, Williams, or even Carroll. Hurlie, Barrow and Coley putting in work.

I wanna answer every issue you got so work with me> Our defense is getting outcoached but offensively you cant really say that for sure when Morris ****s it up and the offensive line is playing like trash and soft so often. 2 is obvious, 3 is a great point that will now always be an issue we just have to work through it, 4 the no offers happen especially in a talent rich state like ours, 5 playmakers will build through time with recruiting and hopefully coaching lol at 6. Now I think Williams has mad respect as a coach but he's nto a huge personality which isn't a bad thing every program has that and Carroll to me still does a good job too but i agree with Jethro. I don't think the key is how often you hear about them in the community all of the time but how do they gel with certain local personalities

We could not block on 3rd downs last night or even make adjustments to block. There seems to be a trust issue with Coach Coley and Morris because he still calls run plays when we can't run instead of passing, just my opinion. As far as offers, McKensie couldn't get a offer and Berrios does? Now here me out. One plays against top talent week in and week out and the other one plays against inferior completion in another state but we offer the latter.

 

[ssj4cane]

Pete's post is why is was mind-boggling idiotic for the staff not to have offered Treon Harris as a QB (whether they thought he could play QB or not). In the hostile environment Miami operates in South Florida that Pete described, that's just not the way smart people do business. Huge strategic blunder IMO.

So offering Treon would land us Cook/Michel at RB and Lane/Rudolph/Dixon at WR. It would also have locked up JC Jackson? Right now thats what we are talking about. We've landed the majority of our targets from South Florida. Add one of the RBs, WRs, and JC and this class on paper is this best we have ever signed. This underlying issue is being blown out of proportion. Golden has just been out recruited. **** we had Rudolph and managed to **** him off.

 

[Ispyin]

WTF is problem down there? Texas, USC, Ohio State and Michigan can suck for years and their kids, area coaches and "mentors" stick it out with them, why is S. FL so diff

Ever been to South Florida? Ever seen most of the high schools where these kids come from?

ever been to south central Los Angeles? Ever see where the best players in so cal come from? Yet not the same issue as miami seems to have with the local community football wise...

uh USC was just put on major probation for cheating. How are they doing now?

They do not have key players wholesale dismissing their school, it was rough this year because of their idiot coach but will snap back right away. An duh, they did pretty good this year considering the start, ucla too.

 

[SoCal Cane]

I tried to read every post, so if this has already been said sorry.

The bottom line is that most kids are frontrunners. It comes with the area. Kids do not want to go to a program and build it, they want to go to a winner. If the kids had any pride in the area, they would all get together, like what happened before, and make Miami a winner. They chose not too. They chose too leave and then badmouth the school.

 

[nycane]

amari cooper didnt go to bama because street agents or mentors. he went because he wanted to win rings.

 

[1jamaicancane]

What's wrong with the program:
1. We are being out coached every game.
2. Our DC stinks
3. South Florida recruiting has turned into AAU basketball, a game we cannot play being on probation.
4. Questionable non-offers. ( Treon, McKensie, etc)
5. Lack of playmakers and speed on both sides of the ball.
6. Our DC stinks again

Ask yourself this question, when is the last time you heard a recruit say I'm coming to Miami because of Jethro, Williams, or even Carroll. Hurlie, Barrow and Coley putting in work.

I wanna answer every issue you got so work with me> Our defense is getting outcoached but offensively you cant really say that for sure when Morris ****s it up and the offensive line is playing like trash and soft so often. 2 is obvious, 3 is a great point that will now always be an issue we just have to work through it, 4 the no offers happen especially in a talent rich state like ours, 5 playmakers will build through time with recruiting and hopefully coaching lol at 6. Now I think Williams has mad respect as a coach but he's nto a huge personality which isn't a bad thing every program has that and Carroll to me still does a good job too but i agree with Jethro. I don't think the key is how often you hear about them in the community all of the time but how do they gel with certain local personalities

We could not block on 3rd downs last night or even make adjustments to block. There seems to be a trust issue with Coach Coley and Morris because he still calls run plays when we can't run instead of passing, just my opinion. As far as offers, McKensie couldn't get a offer and Berrios does? Now here me out. One plays against top talent week in and week out and the other one plays against inferior completion in another state but we offer the latter.

I think that the coaching with the offensive lineman was a half issue but at the same time them not getting a push is on them because we know they're big and strong enough, sure we could've made better adjustments but they also have to have more dog in them or we're ****ed regardless. I think the trust is there because he knows the system well but I don't think he reads defenses well just by watching but I dont see a huge trust in my eyes because Morris doesn't seem like a top qb who can take the load. Mack is a bit of an issue but if we complain about the 1 recruit every year and leave out the 10 who have great potential that we could've missed out on do we really have time to complain about the 1 miss? It can be worse and do we really doubt that Berrios is a stud himself?

 

[RyanCane26]

You're either with us, or you're against us

This was cute a couple years back. Not so much anymore. We cannot ignore the reality or we will continue to see elite talent leave

We saw elite talent leave even back when that phrase was "cute." The fact is you win ball games and you'll sign a higher percentage of that elite talent but there will always be ones that get away.

With all due respect the game has changed bro. The fact is you have to have the talent to win ball games. We want Pete to be objective but we need to be objective. We don't live in those times anymore.

It was a miracle we got to 9 wins. Outside of the cupcakes we struggled all year. wins don't equate to progress otherwise we wouldn't be having this convo or still upset about what happened last night. Quite frankly this team did not improved from Sept to Dec.


We

Do you think we have less talent than Duke?

 

[BoriCane]

Pete, I love what you bring to the recruiting board, but this post really irritated me. Probably your weakest by far. No need to explain myself, as some have already addressed some of the issues with your post. Remember Pete, you are supposed to stay as objective as possible. I know that your job requires that you become friendly with some of these so called "coaches." So you are in a tough position. But if you let them start influencing your "views," you will lose respect from those that really like your work, like me.

Excuse me but your comment is delusional. If you dont address the issue at hand we are being blind sided by this outside forces. To ignore this community voices, which by the way are the main component of Howard Champioships building blocks, is to accept our current mediocre status.

 

[MAGIC CITY CANE]

Pete's post is why is was mind-boggling idiotic for the staff not to have offered Treon Harris as a QB (whether they thought he could play QB or not). In the hostile environment Miami operates in South Florida that Pete described, that's just not the way smart people do business. Huge strategic blunder IMO.

So offering Treon would land us Cook/Michel at RB and Lane/Rudolph/Dixon at WR. It would also have locked up JC Jackson? Right now thats what we are talking about. We've landed the majority of our targets from South Florida. Add one of the RBs, WRs, and JC and this class on paper is this best we have ever signed. This underlying issue is being blown out of proportion. Golden has just been out recruited. **** we have had Rudolph and managed to **** him off.

Nope, probably wouldn't have helped with any of those mentioned. However, it wouldn't have intentionally poisoned a potentially rich pipeline source in the future, either just to get some Boy Scout cred. Was Ray Lewis' son given a scholarship simply on merit or were there other issues at play there?

 

[CaneCounty]

You're either with us, or you're against us

This was cute a couple years back. Not so much anymore. We cannot ignore the reality or we will continue to see elite talent leave

We saw elite talent leave even back when that phrase was "cute." The fact is you win ball games and you'll sign a higher percentage of that elite talent but there will always be ones that get away.

With all due respect the game has changed bro. The fact is you have to have the talent to win ball games. We want Pete to be objective but we need to be objective. We don't live in those times anymore.

It was a miracle we got to 9 wins. Outside of the cupcakes we struggled all year. wins don't equate to progress otherwise we wouldn't be having this convo or still upset about what happened last night. Quite frankly this team did not improved from Sept to Dec.


We

Do you think we have less talent than Duke?

No sir

 

[Big Sky Cane]

Been pointed out in this thread previously but you're NEVER going to make everyone happy. Limited scholarships=plenty of ****ed off coaches players. I'm not sure anyone is going to be able to wade through this **** storm known as SFL recruiting on a consistent basis unless they.....

1. Come in with great reputation and win big and continue to win big.

2. Come in and win big.

Golden will continue to lose big name recruits unless he get's it turned around on the field. I realize they are both closely linked (signing big time recruits and winning big) but he needs to get it done or he will be gone. It's going to get ugly in a hurry next year unless the team improves.

 

[Big Sky Cane]

Pete's post is why is was mind-boggling idiotic for the staff not to have offered Treon Harris as a QB (whether they thought he could play QB or not). In the hostile environment Miami operates in South Florida that Pete described, that's just not the way smart people do business. Huge strategic blunder IMO.

and then when they suggest they move him to DB and then he transfers.......yeah I'm sure that'd go over well. The staff was being honest with his old man and him. If they can't handle that, then ****'em. Honesty is the only way or it will come back to bite you in the ***.

 

[Biscuits]

As mentioned, the very premise of this post is garbage.

You're not going to be able to maintain "relationships" with every HS position Corch and "mentor" from Orlando south.

I don't care if you have a staff the size of Bama's.

 

[ssvir]

To add on I feel adminstration has cared less and less about the program for years adding on to that its also sad that a football traditional power can't even come up with funds for their own stadium, USC, Texas, Bama would never have this issue.

Please google the increase in applications for admission and donations when the football program wins/competes a NC and post the results. Bottom line is a successful football program for UM leads to more students applying for admission and greater donations. The concept that DS doesn't give a crap about football is bunk.

 

[BoriCane]

Curious that nobody is talking about Golden sticking to Big10 football vs SF football and its effect on the local coaches mind.

 

[MAGIC CITY CANE]

Pete's post is why is was mind-boggling idiotic for the staff not to have offered Treon Harris as a QB (whether they thought he could play QB or not). In the hostile environment Miami operates in South Florida that Pete described, that's just not the way smart people do business. Huge strategic blunder IMO.

and then when they suggest they move him to DB and then he transfers.......yeah I'm sure that'd go over well. The staff was being honest with his old man and him. If they can't handle that, then ****'em. Honesty is the only way or it will come back to bite you in the ***.

I hear what you are saying but it depends. If Kaaya/Olsen play at an extremely high level I don't think this kind of problem happens. Is Jacob Coker mad that Jimbo lied to him about getting to play QB? Your scenario is still preferable to not offering IMO (the lesser of two evils is not offering by a long ways).

 

[caneaddict]

Pete,

The impression Im getting is that this has nothing to do with Al Golden or the current players on the roster, or staff... its comes across as 305 vs UM (admin, academic standards, kids not being recruited because they dont fit a profile)..

In hindsight, Matthew Thomas told us clearly at the UA game last year, when he flashed the 305 after that monster hit, that he wasnt coming here...so theres almost a divide, where you have half of the dade kids flashing the U and half the 305. This needs to become a bunch of rabid dade kids in Hurricane uniform flashing the 305, thats the synergy we need, not the division

I know Duke and a group of guys have this GUMP movement, which is 305-centric, but the lines are getting blurred, and the anti UM **** needs to be squashed

 

[Big Toney]

What's wrong with the program:
1. We are being out coached every game.
2. Our DC stinks
3. South Florida recruiting has turned into AAU basketball, a game we cannot play being on probation.
4. Questionable non-offers. ( Treon, McKensie, etc)
5. Lack of playmakers and speed on both sides of the ball.
6. Our DC stinks again

Ask yourself this question, when is the last time you heard a recruit say I'm coming to Miami because of Jethro, Williams, or even Carroll. Hurlie, Barrow and Coley putting in work.

I wanna answer every issue you got so work with me> Our defense is getting outcoached but offensively you cant really say that for sure when Morris ****s it up and the offensive line is playing like trash and soft so often. 2 is obvious, 3 is a great point that will now always be an issue we just have to work through it, 4 the no offers happen especially in a talent rich state like ours, 5 playmakers will build through time with recruiting and hopefully coaching lol at 6. Now I think Williams has mad respect as a coach but he's nto a huge personality which isn't a bad thing every program has that and Carroll to me still does a good job too but i agree with Jethro. I don't think the key is how often you hear about them in the community all of the time but how do they gel with certain local personalities

We could not block on 3rd downs last night or even make adjustments to block. There seems to be a trust issue with Coach Coley and Morris because he still calls run plays when we can't run instead of passing, just my opinion. As far as offers, McKensie couldn't get a offer and Berrios does? Now here me out. One plays against top talent week in and week out and the other one plays against inferior completion in another state but we offer the latter.

I think that the coaching with the offensive lineman was a half issue but at the same time them not getting a push is on them because we know they're big and strong enough, sure we could've made better adjustments but they also have to have more dog in them or we're ****ed regardless. I think the trust is there because he knows the system well but I don't think he reads defenses well just by watching but I dont see a huge trust in my eyes because Morris doesn't seem like a top qb who can take the load. Mack is a bit of an issue but if we complain about the 1 recruit every year and leave out the 10 who have great potential that we could've missed out on do we really have time to complain about the 1 miss? It can be worse and do we really doubt that Berrios is a stud himself?

I'm not doubting BB, I'm just pointing out what Pete was eluding to. Kids like Mack are being told your too small but they take BB? As far as the O Line your right. Guys like Henderson are big but have no heart and they got out played badly. The problem with the staff is they can't make adjustments.

 

[Fzac75]

First off Pete thank you for the input and information, as this site is first and foremost about gaining information, since nobody, and I mean nobody here has the track record or experience or inside knowledge to be GM's or Coaches or talent evaluators, but like to play one on tv.

With that said, I don't doubt the info you have provided, but the fallacy I find in your post is by just posting this you give the impression that this is an issue all throughout the area. As if this is an issue in every school in South Florida. Based on the results we are seeing from this recruiting cycle, it would seem to conflict with your statement. I too have been lucky enough to have contact with some assistant coaches in high school here in Dade County, and these talks were in an environment that allows blunt and total honest responses. Their responses and attitude towards this staff is the complete opposite of what you have said. This is not to debunk what you were told, but to simply state that it just might be from your sources it's coming from. In fact those I have had the luck to meet have even gone in depth as to measures this staff is going to that these assistant coaches are liking and are equal to what other schools have been doing.

As for this myth of locking down the elite south florida talent. Gentlemen, those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it. This is a myth, for the love of God, especially to all the "youngins" here, I'm only 38 but have a voracious appetite for history and historical perspective, learn your history, Miami has never ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever locked up all the "elite" players in south florida in any cycle. EVER Not even at the height of our dominance did we do that. It just doesn't happen, for a variety of logical reasons, whether it be scholarship numbers, street agents, or just the kid wants to go elsewhere, it has never happened.

Also stop with this ridiculous and illogical disregarding of Yearby. First off, the kid has been a local legend since his optimist days, Central put the rock in his hands more than they did Cook, when they switched last year cus the offense was struggling and chose to have him and Cook on the field together, it was Yearby who handled the snap, it was Yearby who they wanted to handle the ball at all times at the snap. The kid is "elite" and is considered "elite" by all the recruiting bs sites you all adhere to. I want Cook as well just because I will always want more, but in no logical rational way can anybody really be this blinded by an agenda to suggest or even state it is a failure. It is idiotic and illogical. The leading rusher in Broward County, and the leading rusher in Dade County are committed to us, last I checked that is a good thing.

I want to always land all the top prospects that the so called "recruiting experts" say are here in South Florida, and every year we should try, but I also am aware that history says that will never happen, so if we don't get Cook, but still get the leading rusher from Broward County, and also THE MAN from Cook's own team. Then they did their job. The WR situation is interesting, especially the Lane one. Trust me guys, I got legit info as to Barrow and his status at Homestead, besides just the family connection. He owns that school and is revered their. I even remember awhile back my guy telling me Lane was all Cane. If I run into him again I will find out what happened, because based on what I have known, definitely shady stuff had to go down on that one.

Speaking of Barrow, would've loved to see you same guys reaction the year he came here, God forbid the crap and nonsense you would have said about Barrow and our staff considering we lost out the number one elite prospect in South Florida that year to fswho as well. Historical perspective people