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TemplarCane said:
I agree recruiting has been subpar on defense. And the revolving door and the coaching staff has hurt. Mario’s tenure has suffered from poor coaching staff evaluations as much as many poor recruiting evaluations.

The first recruiting class was pretty much a wash. Mario only had a few weeks, so it is what it is. I will add while Mario may be a great recruiter, building relationships and attracting players, too many evaluations have been off. Especially on defense. No argument from me.

I think there fewer elite defensive players than offensive players coming out of high school. Positions like defensive tackle and lockdown corner are few and far between. And fewer have been local. One lockdown corner Mario did recruit, Cormani, flipped to Colorado at the last minute and flamed out. Now he is a Gator and we’ll see what happens.

No doubt our roster is far more talented than it was when Mario walked in the door, but the defense continues to need an overhaul and I’m hoping the new coach and staff will finally hit the mark. I can only look forward. Looking back won’t change a thing so it’s time to move on.

Have a blessed long weekend!
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Great post, and I agree for the most part. That said, I don’t really like comparing this roster to the Diaz era for a couple reasons. First, if we want to compete for championships, our standards need to be way higher. I rather compare it to the Oregon’s and OSU’s of the world. Secondly, Diaz didn’t have anywhere near the resources Mario has now, so it’s not even close to a level playing field. With what Mario’s been given, he should absolutely be doing better across the board.

Also, schools like OSU, PSU, Georgia, and Texas etc., don’t have issues recruiting on defense. I really think this is a Miami problem. Imo, it’s internal. There’s something fundamentally off with that side of the ball.

Enjoy your weekend, as well.
 
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Hurracanes said:
Great post, and I agree for the most part. That said, I don’t really like comparing this roster to the Diaz era for a couple reasons. First, if we want to compete for championships, our standards need to be way higher. I rather compare it to the Oregon’s and OSU’s of the world. Secondly, Diaz didn’t have anywhere near the resources Mario has now, so it’s not even close to a level playing field. With what Mario’s been given, he should absolutely be doing better across the board.

Also, schools like OSU, PSU, Georgia, and Texas etc., don’t have issues recruiting on defense. I really think this is a Miami problem. Imo, it’s internal. There’s something fundamentally off with that side of the ball.

Enjoy your weekend, as well.
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Would you agree those other schools have had longer term stability under their current regimes?

I'd say PSU is most like Miami with Franklin's lack of "success".
 
Yeah we have recruiter Defense so poorly that out average recruit rating on defense is 91.01vs 90.26 on offense. How horrible! Let’s ignore that Edge is the clear best recruited position on the entire team as well lol. DT is an issue cause 4/7 are freshmen or redshirt freshman.

And If you’re still complaining about CB recruiting you’re just a hater. Cause after WR in terms of recruiting rating it’s cb lol.
 
Empirical Cane said:
Would you agree those other schools have had longer term stability under their current regimes?

I'd say PSU is most like Miami with Franklin's lack of "success".
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Shoot I’d kill for Penn states recent “lack of success” compared to our last 10 years. You guys kidding me? Have some self awareness. We have sucked. They have been top 15 since he got there and won tne big ten and just made a playoff run
 
305407cane said:
Shoot I’d kill for Penn states recent “lack of success” compared to our last 10 years. You guys kidding me? Have some self awareness. We have sucked. They have been top 15 since he got there and won tne big ten and just made a playoff run
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Whoa there cowpoke.

Being "Top 15" is friendzone territory.

PSU faithful are pretty meh towards Franklin, not a small number want him gone. This past season's CFPO was really their only "success" in terms of win big(ger).

Other than that, he's fallen short over and over.
 
Calinative said:
Yeah we have recruiter Defense so poorly that out average recruit rating on defense is 91.01vs 90.26 on offense. How horrible! Let’s ignore that Edge is the clear best recruited position on the entire team as well lol. DT is an issue cause 4/7 are freshmen or redshirt freshman.

And If you’re still complaining about CB recruiting you’re just a hater. Cause after WR in terms of recruiting rating it’s cb lol.
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GT and Cuse just scored....

AGAIN.
 
Empirical Cane said:
Would you agree those other schools have had longer term stability under their current regimes?

I'd say PSU is most like Miami with Franklin's lack of "success".
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In my opinion, it’s irrelevant. Franklin has never had a defense as bad as Mario has had in Miami. Whether in his first year or his 12th.
 
Calinative said:
Yeah we have recruiter Defense so poorly that out average recruit rating on defense is 91.01vs 90.26 on offense. How horrible! Let’s ignore that Edge is the clear best recruited position on the entire team as well lol. DT is an issue cause 4/7 are freshmen or redshirt freshman.

And If you’re still complaining about CB recruiting you’re just a hater. Cause after WR in terms of recruiting rating it’s cb lol.
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2025 class is good even though we missed on our top targets (Stubbs and Hanks). But before that ...

2024: OJ, Mack (injured, is he even recovered yet?)
2023: Brown, Stafford (4 star but not Miami material)
2022: Graves, Rogers, Harris. The vaunted T-Rob class that fell flat on its face
And Jaden Davis and Richard were the only ones with even a pulse from the transfer portal.

3 years of absolute dog *****. You're committing a crime by using their rankings to defend the quality of recruiting. Outside of OJ and Brown, we've recruited zero contributors, with everyone else transferring except injured Mack. For two starting spots.
 
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Hurracanes said:
Great post, and I agree for the most part. That said, I don’t really like comparing this roster to the Diaz era for a couple reasons. First, if we want to compete for championships, our standards need to be way higher. I rather compare it to the Oregon’s and OSU’s of the world. Secondly, Diaz didn’t have anywhere near the resources Mario has now, so it’s not even close to a level playing field. With what Mario’s been given, he should absolutely be doing better across the board.

Also, schools like OSU, PSU, Georgia, and Texas etc., don’t have issues recruiting on defense. I really think this is a Miami problem. Imo, it’s internal. There’s something fundamentally off with that side of the ball.

Enjoy your weekend, as well.
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Empirical Cane said:
Would you agree those other schools have had longer term stability under their current regimes?

I'd say PSU is most like Miami with Franklin's lack of "success".
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You both make solid points.

Yes, Mario should have a better roster on defense. His rocky start with bad staffing choices played a major role.

Right now, Miami is not a destination for elite defensive talent. I think a 2025 season with a much improved defense will help. We're seeing better recruits like Justin Scott, Armando Blount, Hayden Lowe, Herbert Scroggins, Kellen Willey, and OJ Frederique. All of these players need to rise to the next level, and we need the new DC Corey and staff step up as well. On the field, recruiting evaluations, and player development.

Yes, Penn State is most like Miami, only Franklin's problem is his inability to put together an offense to play with solid defenses (even with Manuela as DC for two seasons).

I will also defend my claim ACC membership is a recruiting issue. We've seen the last many recruiting class where 90%+ (?) of the 5* players went to $EC and B1G programs. We've seen the $EC and B1G pushing for (and will get) 4 AQ spots each in a proposed 16-team playoff.

The ACC and Big 12 conferences are outsiders looking in.
 
TemplarCane said:
You both make solid points.

Yes, Mario should have a better roster on defense. His rocky start with bad staffing choices played a major role.

Right now, Miami is not a destination for elite defensive talent. I think a 2025 season with a much improved defense will help. We're seeing better recruits like Justin Scott, Armando Blount, Hayden Lowe, Herbert Scroggins, Kellen Willey, and OJ Frederique. All of these players need to rise to the next level, and we need the new DC Corey and staff step up as well. On the field, recruiting evaluations, and player development.

Yes, Penn State is most like Miami, only Franklin's problem is his inability to put together an offense to play with solid defenses (even with Manuela as DC for two seasons).

I will also defend my claim ACC membership is a recruiting issue. We've seen the last many recruiting class where 90%+ (?) of the 5* players went to $EC and B1G programs. We've seen the $EC and B1G pushing for (and will get) 4 AQ spots each in a proposed 16-team playoff.

The ACC and Big 12 conferences are outsiders looking in.
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With all due respect, the ACC take is an excuse to missing on kids. That isn’t the problem. We have the resources to hire any elite coach we want and NIL to compete for any blue chipper we want. Mario, for whatever reason, has made bad decisions with his staff.

Look at our secondary class, after 3 years of ****** recruiting, how did that dramatically improve? Because Will Harris is a mother****ing dog and kids want to play for him. Now go look at who Mario had at the secondary position before. Your answer is right there.

Last thing I’ll say, if Mario ever wants an elite DC, he needs to let those guys bring their men. This is a very frustrating topic for me and others who are aware on who we could have had.
 
Hurracanes said:
With all due respect, the ACC take is an excuse to missing on kids. That isn’t the problem. We have the resources to hire any elite coach we want and NIL to compete for any blue chipper we want. Mario, for whatever reason, has made bad decisions with his staff.

Look at our secondary class, after 3 years of ****** recruiting, how did that dramatically improve? Because Will Harris is a mother****ing dog and kids want to play for him. Now go look at who Mario had at the secondary position before. Your answer is right there.

Last thing I’ll say, if Mario ever wants an elite DC, he needs to let those guys bring their men. This is a very frustrating topic for me and others who are aware on who we could have had.
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With all due respect, how many 5* star players in the NIL era signed with schools in the ACC or Big 12?

I am not making excuses. There many reasons why the defense has been bad, and in the end the results are on Mario. the HC. The prior defensive staffs were stiffs or an all-star collection with no cohesiveness. Player development is meh.

Hopefully the new DC and staff make the 3rd time the charm.
 
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Hurracanes said:
With all due respect, the ACC take is an excuse to missing on kids. That isn’t the problem. We have the resources to hire any elite coach we want and NIL to compete for any blue chipper we want. Mario, for whatever reason, has made bad decisions with his staff.

Look at our secondary class, after 3 years of ****** recruiting, how did that dramatically improve? Because Will Harris is a mother****ing dog and kids want to play for him. Now go look at who Mario had at the secondary position before. Your answer is right there.

Last thing I’ll say, if Mario ever wants an elite DC, he needs to let those guys bring their men. This is a very frustrating topic for me and others who are aware on who we could have had.
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It’s not an excuse. DB recruiting is better but it’s not at the sec and big 10 level. 10 of the top 20 CB are committed to the sec or big 10. Miami has 2 and they are #15 waters and #19 wyman. Don’t have a safety in the class yet but so far 7 of the top 20 are committed to the big 10 or sec. It’s a lot of uncommitted safeties but 5 of the top uncommitted are being projected to the sec or big ten.

look at the draft. You lying to yourself if you think the conference doesn’t matter when it’s being pushed all the time
 
Hurracanes said:
Great post, and I agree for the most part. That said, I don’t really like comparing this roster to the Diaz era for a couple reasons. First, if we want to compete for championships, our standards need to be way higher. I rather compare it to the Oregon’s and OSU’s of the world. Secondly, Diaz didn’t have anywhere near the resources Mario has now, so it’s not even close to a level playing field. With what Mario’s been given, he should absolutely be doing better across the board.

Also, schools like OSU, PSU, Georgia, and Texas etc., don’t have issues recruiting on defense. I really think this is a Miami problem. Imo, it’s internal. There’s something fundamentally off with that side of the ball.

Enjoy your weekend, as well.
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I think the problem on D with bad Evals has also just been just poor coaching combinations. Kevin Steele and The Drunk. Those two both had their issues and the defense was weak all over. I like heatherman and his style of defense not gonna say we will be elite but I think they will be pretty solid to good
 
grover said:
2025 class is good even though we missed on our top targets (Stubbs and Hanks). But before that ...

2024: OJ, Mack (injured, is he even recovered yet?)
2023: Brown, Stafford (4 star but not Miami material)
2022: Graves, Rogers, Harris. The vaunted T-Rob class that fell flat on its face
And Jaden Davis and Richard were the only ones with even a pulse from the transfer portal.

3 years of absolute dog *****. You're committing a crime by using their rankings to defend the quality of recruiting. Outside of OJ and Brown, we've recruited zero contributors, with everyone else transferring except injured Mack. For two starting spots.
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Guess portal doesn't exist and those players on this roster are in purgatory. My bad didn't know portal additions don't count as recruiting lol. Y'all ridiculous

Imagine saying CB recruiting is bad right now because we have to ignore Lucas, OConnor, Brantley, Scott, and then not give full credit for a Frosh AA, and a very good HS 25 class, and 26 class is looking like it'll be good again so far.... Like if y'all can't admit CB recruiting went very ******* well and the room is looking very nice, what is even the point of discussing recruiting with y'all? Can y'all even admit EDGE recruiting has been great to elite? Smfh
 
Hurracanes said:
Hetherman’s “success” is too small of a sample size for me. It’s year 4, it’s our 3rd DC under Mario, and if I were Mario, I wouldn’t risk Miami’s season (or future) on someone who has “buzz” or “hype.” It’s too risky. Mario needed to make a HR hire that was a sure thing. Plus, you don’t really upgrade the LB and DL room’s, it’s too risky in my opinion.

Mario had the opportunity to hire HR coaches with better resumes and experience but Mario passed or went a different direction because of stubbornness. It’s very frustrating.
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While I’m a big Heatherman fan you’re also not wrong. Not a lot to go on and add to the fact Mario has made a lot of bad hires so far, it’s difficult to say much at this point
 
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