Amount of progress needed in year 1

[Brian Piccolo]

4) If you don't think this team underachieved year in and year out, then either a) you're a flat out troll b) you are blind c) you are Golden or one of his family members or d) you are completely schizophrenic...

The program has underachieved for a decade.

But the Golden teams just weren't that talented. We were starting unknown transfers like Mike Williams. Guys like Darius Smith were playing meaningful snaps.

The 2012-13 defenses were two of the worst we've ever had. They were God awful and it wasn't entirely because of bad scheme. The dudes weren't very good.

 

[Brian Piccolo]

Again, since you want to base things upon numbers, based upon the number of blue chips that Golden recruited at Miami vs. the competition we played against, we were a better team on paper, against 75% of the opponents we faced over the last 5 years.

Who were these blue chips that Golden recruited? His defensive recruiting was god awful!

The vast majority of his recruits were 3-star nobodies who couldn't play.

That's his biggest indictment.

 

[D_G87]

Again, we were an embarrassing showing @ Cincy and a half back pass in the snow vs Wash St from winning 10 games being coached by retards. 10 games is the standard. You can't convince me otherwise

 

[Brian Piccolo]

If you are trying to make the argument that based upon the score board, we overachieved that makes ABSOLUTELY NO SENSE.

It doesn't make any sense to the fanboy who just assumes that Miami is always more talented than everybody else.

If you actually look at the players he recruited (especially on defense) you'd know better.

And based on the numbers we were lucky to win 8 games in 2015 and lucky to win 9 games in 2013.

 

[Brian Piccolo]

Things that determine wins and losses.
Coaching - Upgraded
Players - hard to tell but right now breaks even, maybe even downgraded cause of the DB situation. There's some talent but lack of depth
S&C - Upgraded
System - While the game planning is upgraded there may be growing pains by the players
Teams Mental State - Upgrade

Did you think these things were upgraded in 2011?

You're just assuming that S&C and mental state are better because we're in the honeymoon period.

You have absolutely nothing to base it on except you feel good about the new guy. Same story as always. I'll believe it when I see tangible results.

 

[Brian Piccolo]

Again, we were an embarrassing showing @ Cincy and a half back pass in the snow vs Wash St from winning 10 games being coached by retards. 10 games is the standard. You can't convince me otherwise

And we were a miracle kickoff return from losing to Duke and an OT interception away from losing to Nebraska and one score away from losing to both Pittsburgh and Virginia.

Again it's amazing how fans are able to cite all the near wins and not remember all the near losses.

Incredible.

 

[D_G87]

We were up 4 touchdowns against Nebraska and then our retards of coaching staff takeover. Most conference games are competitive and within a couple scores. We beat Duke without Kaaya and had 2 terrible PI calls that would have ended the game anyway.

Again, we were an embarrassing showing @ Cincy and a half back pass in the snow vs Wash St from winning 10 games being coached by retards. 10 games is the standard. You can't convince me otherwise

And we were a miracle kickoff return from losing to Duke and an OT interception away from losing to Nebraska and one score away from losing to both Pittsburgh and Virginia.

Again it's amazing how fans are able to cite all the near wins and not remember all the near losses.

Incredible.

 

[NVA CANE]

Things that determine wins and losses.
Coaching - Upgraded
Players - hard to tell but right now breaks even, maybe even downgraded cause of the DB situation. There's some talent but lack of depth
S&C - Upgraded
System - While the game planning is upgraded there may be growing pains by the players
Teams Mental State - Upgrade

Did you think these things were upgraded in 2011?

You're just assuming that S&C and mental state are better because we're in the honeymoon period.

You have absolutely nothing to base it on except you feel good about the new guy. Same story as always. I'll believe it when I see tangible results.

I have the record of a head coach that's been doing it for over fifteen years telling me those facets are better.

 

[Rellyrell]

Again, since you want to base things upon numbers, based upon the number of blue chips that Golden recruited at Miami vs. the competition we played against, we were a better team on paper, against 75% of the opponents we faced over the last 5 years.

Who were these blue chips that Golden recruited? His defensive recruiting was god awful!

The vast majority of his recruits were 3-star nobodies who couldn't play.

That's his biggest indictment.

Was AQM not considered a blue chip? Tracy Howard? Artie Burns? Deon Bush? Tyriq McCord? Anthony Chickillo? Corn Elder? Duke Johnson? Was Denzel Perryman not begged to come here and wound up being # 2 as the Butkus Award winner? Was not Jermaine Grace considered a Blue Chip? What about Stacy Coley? Wasn't Lawrence Gager an Army All American? Was Ralphael Kirby not considered the No. 5 OLB in the country? Was Erek Flowers not considered an ESPN and UA 300 player? Was not Jelani Hamilton considered the No. 9 DE in the nation coming out? Was Malcolm Lewis not ranked as a top 200 player in the Nation coming out? Beau Sandland, No. 1 JUCO TE coming out? JRock...was he not an ESPN 300 player? Was Anthony Moten not considered a top 10 DT in the nation???

I'm giving you a sample size off the top of the dome off the caliber of players that Golden had. Do you actually think ANY of those players would underachieve under the watchful eye of any other coach? You don't think VaTech wouldn't have loved to pull in these types of players? Or Duke? Maybe Syracuse? What about Pitt?

All Golden apologist, all Golden fan boys like to use clouds and "lack of talent" to defend the ineptitude of his coaching abilities. Yet, there was one minor thing you neglected to address; NFL scouts. You see, NFL scouts side w my argument, that these Miami teams were fully capable of winning w the amount of talent they had on them...the common dominator was poor coaching.

If sucking on your thumb while holding your blanket (translation, sucking off Golden and holding on to the rhetoric of this team has lacked talent) helps you sleep at night, do you homie. And just so I'm absolutely clear; in no way shape or form am I saying this team had the players, the depth, the talent to compete for a national title or to beat FSU or Clemson...what I am saying is that this team, compared to other teams in our division had the talent to run away with Coastal year in and out.

 

[Brian Piccolo]

I have the record of a head coach that's been doing it for over fifteen years telling me those facets are better.

Not even Nick Saban could make a 6-6 Alabama team better than 6-6 in his first year.

I hope we're better than 8 wins but I won't believe it until I see the team in the Fall.

 

[Rellyrell]

If you are trying to make the argument that based upon the score board, we overachieved that makes ABSOLUTELY NO SENSE.

It doesn't make any sense to the fanboy who just assumes that Miami is always more talented than everybody else.

If you actually look at the players he recruited (especially on defense) you'd know better.

And based on the numbers we were lucky to win 8 games in 2015 and lucky to win 9 games in 2013.

Lol! You are a walking Oxymoron.

Ok, do all of us a favor and go back and acquaint yourself w/ the class rankings we had vs. the class rankings of all the opponents we have played since 2010. If you thought we had rosters full of "3 star nobodies"...ha, have you seen GTs roster? What about VT? Maybe UNCs roster? Certainly you've seen Pitt's roster, right? Oh, wait...now I know you've had to see UVAs roster, correct? Wake Forest, maybe? Cincy, possibly? I know, I know...you had to peep out ULs roster, right? Maybe K State??? What about NC St? Duke???

Come on homie, you make absolutely no sense. Not one person on here said, 'hey look, Miami should've been competing for National Titles.' If you don't think that the University of Miami was better than 80% of the opponents we played based upon the influx of the talent we had compared to other teams, then why don't you come out to Cali so I can sell you this $1m investment found in Bompton. I "promise" you'll make your money back in 3 months.

 

[Rellyrell]

1) As a Bears fan, I take great offense to you calling yourself Brian Piccolo, and I could care less if you are a fan of his or even an offspring; the illogical approach you take in your posts, I'm sure, is making him turn over in his grave.

Being called illogical by a fanboy is one of my greatest honors.

Then I see you haven't accomplished much in your life, unfortunately

 

[Brian Piccolo]

Was AQM not considered a blue chip? Tracy Howard? Artie Burns? Deon Bush? Tyriq McCord? Anthony Chickillo? Corn Elder? Duke Johnson? Was Denzel Perryman not begged to come here and wound up being # 2 as the Butkus Award winner? Was not Jermaine Grace considered a Blue Chip? What about Stacy Coley? Wasn't Lawrence Gager an Army All American? Was Ralphael Kirby not considered the No. 5 OLB in the country? Was Erek Flowers not considered an ESPN and UA 300 player? Was not Jelani Hamilton considered the No. 9 DE in the nation coming out? Was Malcolm Lewis not ranked as a top 200 player in the Nation coming out? Beau Sandland, No. 1 JUCO TE coming out? JRock...was he not an ESPN 300 player? Was Anthony Moten not considered a top 10 DT in the nation???

Two 5-star guys on defense.

Tracy Howard and Anthony Chickillo (Ha!).

Artie Burns was a first round pick. So...

Muhammad was suspended for an entire season and might not play this year.

Corn Elder was a 4-star running back. Nobody had him at corner. He's been hugely productive too.

Perryman was a beast.

Jelani Hamilton was a total bust and not because of Al Golden's coaching. That's poor recruiting.

So in 5 years he had 7 defensive players drafted and you could only come up with one interior defensive lineman. And he was the last guy you mentioned.

The recruiting was garbage. Period.

 

[Brian Piccolo]

Do you actually think ANY of those players would underachieve under the watchful eye of any other coach? You don't think VaTech wouldn't have loved to pull in these types of players? Or Duke? Maybe Syracuse? What about Pitt?

Our recruiting classes were ranked by Scout...

2012: 9th
2013: 21st
2014: 11th
2015: 39th

The 2012 class has 33 signings and only averaged 3.21 stars. We were getting a bunch of 3-star tweeners and guys who emerged at camps.

One top 10 class.
Two top 20 classes.

It's a myth that we were getting blue chippers.

 

[Brian Piccolo]

All Golden apologist, all Golden fan boys like to use clouds and "lack of talent" to defend the ineptitude of his coaching abilities.

Comical.

I'm telling you how bad of a recruiter he was. Yet somehow I'm an apologist.

Get real.

 

[Rellyrell]

2) You mentioned the difference between Vegas and fan boys; that Vegas goes by hard facts, while fanboys go by emotions.
Here are a few examples of the fallacy of that statement:
Hard Facts: Winner of Super Bowl L was the Denver Broncos.
Vegas: The preseason favorites to win the SB were New England, Seattle, and Pittsburgh
Vegas: Playoff Favorite: Carolina Panthers.

I don't know if you're aware (which is scary) but Vegas sets their odds before the season. So saying that the Denver Broncos winning is a 'fact' is comically dumb.

I'll repeat. Scary.

Let me chop and ***** my response you can understand...

The facts I mentioned were what they were, facts. I'm trying to help you understand that Vegas odds are based upon previous year's data, combined with scheduling; based upon that, they forecast or, excuse me, PRE-DETERMINE w/l totals, over/under lines, and teams that are favorite. Again, this is a forecast which is an estimation or solid guess.

Let me emphasize the word "Guess", b/c based upon FACTS that have transpired in several sporting events, their pre-determined forecast, or guess, as to who were favorite to win championships or their "smart money" bet on GSW to win the NBA championship were, indeed, incorrect.

What I'm highlighting to you is that Vegas, in respects to Miami, is appropriate. There have been nothing that Miami has done in the last several years to make them comfortable in projecting us to win over 7 games. Over the past decade, even with coaching changes, we've averaged 6 wins/yr...so why wouldn't they pre-determine our line to be around 6.5?

You're arguing what Vegas thinks, and I'm highlighting that Vegas has been wrong numerous times in many different prognostications...that's why it's called....wait for it... GAMBLING!

 

[Brian Piccolo]

Yet, there was one minor thing you neglected to address; NFL scouts. You see, NFL scouts side w my argument, that these Miami teams were fully capable of winning w the amount of talent they had on them...the common dominator was poor coaching.

Really? Then why aren't they drafting our players?

Only 7 defensive players drafted in 5 years. Two of them were Vernon and Spence. Total Shannon guys.

 

[Rellyrell]

Do you actually think ANY of those players would underachieve under the watchful eye of any other coach? You don't think VaTech wouldn't have loved to pull in these types of players? Or Duke? Maybe Syracuse? What about Pitt?

Our recruiting classes were ranked by Scout...

2012: 9th
2013: 21st
2014: 11th
2015: 39th

The 2012 class has 33 signings and only averaged 3.21 stars. We were getting a bunch of 3-star tweeners and guys who emerged at camps.

One top 10 class.
Two top 20 classes.

It's a myth that we were getting blue chippers.

(Clap, clap, clap)....GREAT!!! Now go ahead, compare that against other teams we played against, and who are in the Costal. Go ahead and compare that to TCU, Baylor, KState, Iowa, and Michigan State's classes. Don't worry, I'll wait, no pressure.

 

[Brian Piccolo]

If sucking on your thumb while holding your blanket (translation, sucking off Golden and holding on to the rhetoric of this team has lacked talent) helps you sleep at night, do you homie.

I'm defending Al Golden by telling you how much he sucked.

Laughable.

Get a grip.

 

[Rellyrell]

Yet, there was one minor thing you neglected to address; NFL scouts. You see, NFL scouts side w my argument, that these Miami teams were fully capable of winning w the amount of talent they had on them...the common dominator was poor coaching.

Really? Then why aren't they drafting our players?

Only 7 defensive players drafted in 5 years. Two of them were Vernon and Spence. Total Shannon guys.

You're asking "really", and yet, is this not what NFL scouts have said regarding our prospects?? Bruh, do me a favor...unless you're truly ready to discuss facts, facts that are tangible, stop responding to me. You respond w half assed responses to make your point seem valid.

Here are the cold hard facts: MIAMI HAS OUT RECRUITED EVERY SINGLE TEAM IN THE ACC COASTAL AND HAVE ISH TO SHOW FOR IT.
Until you can prove otherwise, don't respond. Show me something tangible to argue against that point. Stop calling folks "fanboys" when not one person has said we should the national title or be in the playoffs. What everyone has said is that if Golden and Scott can lead a team that wasn't that "talented" (per you), to 8 wins, shouldn't a proven head coach who will have an easier schedule than what he's accustomed to, do more??