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Brian Piccolo said:
NFL Events: Combine Player Profiles - Raphael Kirby

Raphael Kirby
BOTTOM LINE Undersized with average athleticism, Kirby is a try-*hard linebacker with good football character but only moderate production at best during his time at "The U." While I wouldn't rule out his chances of battling for a roster spot, his ACL tear could make being drafted an uphill climb.
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Raphael Kirby from that very same article you got it from

uses shoulder to take on blockers rather than hands.

Takes questionable angles to the ball losing run fits.
 
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Zbrod95 said:
Rashawn Scott

NFL Events: Combine Player Profiles - Rashawn Scott


Has some untapped talent that might intrigue teams.

Routes lack discipline and crispness.
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BOTTOM LINE Possesses enough size and speed to get a look, but red flags with maturity and injuries will be concerns for just about every NFL team and that is before you work your way to his poor hands. Could find his way into a camp but will have a tough battle to win a spot.

An injury risk with character issues and bad hands.

The bottom line (contrary to what you said) is that most of these guys aren't athletic enough or talented enough to get drafted.
 
Zbrod95 said:
Brian Piccolo said:
NFL Events: Combine Player Profiles - Raphael Kirby

Raphael Kirby
BOTTOM LINE Undersized with average athleticism, Kirby is a try-*hard linebacker with good football character but only moderate production at best during his time at "The U." While I wouldn't rule out his chances of battling for a roster spot, his ACL tear could make being drafted an uphill climb.
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Raphael Kirby from that very same article you got it from

uses shoulder to take on blockers rather than hands.

Takes questionable angles to the ball losing run fits.
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That's not why he's not getting drafted!

Get a clue.

He was average athletically and lacked the necessary size to be an NFL draft pick.

You could look at every profile and nitpick things that might scream bad coaching. You're displaying confirmation bias.

Lack of athleticism is everything.

Artie Burns was probably the worst technician of them all and he was a 1st round pick!

It's clear to anybody why these guys get drafted and it's not their technique.
 
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Deon Bush( 4th round pick )

Deon Bush Draft Profile ? NFL.com

Shows pre*-snap confusion at times on tape

Put some horrific tape together this year. His Florida State game was a disaster. I expect him to put some numbers up at the combine that get him drafted earlier than he should be. I think he's a mid-rounder with very good special teams value but will need to be a backup box safety-*type of player early in his career." *-- AFC North scout

Deon Bush, FS, Miami (Fla.), NFL Draft - CBSSports.com - NFLDraftScout.com

Bush needs to improve his route recognition in coverage and his break down skills while in motion vs. the run

A bit choppy in his backpedal and too often latches hold of receivers when asked to cover in man to man.

Bush desperately needs positive pre-draft workouts to repair his damaged draft stock.
 
Zbrod95 said:
Deon Bush( 4th round pick )

Deon Bush Draft Profile ? NFL.com

Shows pre*-snap confusion at times on tape

Put some horrific tape together this year. His Florida State game was a disaster. I expect him to put some numbers up at the combine that get him drafted earlier than he should be. I think he's a mid-rounder with very good special teams value but will need to be a backup box safety-*type of player early in his career." *-- AFC North scout

Deon Bush, FS, Miami (Fla.), NFL Draft - CBSSports.com - NFLDraftScout.com

Bush needs to improve his route recognition in coverage and his break down skills while in motion vs. the run

A bit choppy in his backpedal and too often latches hold of receivers when asked to cover in man to man.

Bush desperately needs positive pre-draft workouts to repair his damaged draft stock.
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Horrific tape....and still got drafted!

Because he has some size, athleticism and is physical.

I can't believe there are still people who claim to follow college football closely who don't know that the draft is about talent and athleticism.

We've still got clowns trying to argue that technique is what caused these guys to go undrafted.
 
Ladarius Gunter

Ladarius Gunter Draft Profile ? NFL.com

Unable to consistently mirror and match in man to man and shows some tightness when attempting to open up and run

Will lose track of his responsibility in man and zone coverage, and fails to find ball when playing with back to the ball. Will eyeball quarterback for too long rather than scanning field. Gives ground to stay clean in run support rather than attacking and shedding.

He was good at Senior Bowl practices, but that's just a tool. You have to try and find what he did over there on tape. It didn't always match up." -- AFC West scout

LaDarius Gunter, FS, Miami (Fla.), NFL Draft - CBSSports.com - NFLDraftScout.com

He's late to get his head around and locate at times, and has missed opportunities for more plays on the ball as a result.

Needs to do a better job of high-pointing passes and fully taking advantage of his height and long arms on 50/50 balls.
 
Ereck Flowers

Ereck Flowers Draft Profile ? NFL.com

Pass protection needs plenty of work. Footwork gets sloppy and undisciplined, causing base to narrow. Ducks head into contact and is a leaner in pass pro, creating balance problems. Rarely flat-footed upon initial hand contact. Throws hands rather than firing authoritative punch. Hands ride too high and too wide. Content to become grabby around framework of defender. Flagged for six holding penalties over last two seasons. Slow to secure and climb on combo blocks and is often lacking balance on the way to target. Doesn't bring feet under him to sustain second-level blocks. Knocked off balance by smaller pass rushers due to poor balance. Hips looked tight and struggled to gain ground when asked to pass set in combine drills.

That entire weakness report is about technique, he was so bad they thought his best position was at Offensive guard. The dumping ground for extremely raw tackles
 
Zbrod95 said:
Ereck Flowers

Ereck Flowers Draft Profile ? NFL.com

Pass protection needs plenty of work. Footwork gets sloppy and undisciplined, causing base to narrow. Ducks head into contact and is a leaner in pass pro, creating balance problems. Rarely flat-footed upon initial hand contact. Throws hands rather than firing authoritative punch. Hands ride too high and too wide. Content to become grabby around framework of defender. Flagged for six holding penalties over last two seasons. Slow to secure and climb on combo blocks and is often lacking balance on the way to target. Doesn't bring feet under him to sustain second-level blocks. Knocked off balance by smaller pass rushers due to poor balance. Hips looked tight and struggled to gain ground when asked to pass set in combine drills.

That entire weakness report is about technique, he was so bad they thought his best position was at Offensive guard. The dumping ground for extremely raw tackles
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Ereck Flowers was a top 10 pick!

You comprehend this stuff like a child.
 
Brandon Linder

Brandon Linder Draft Profile ? NFL.com

Tends to lunge and slip off blocks. Body control and contact balance wane in space and on the move. Is late to cut off linebackers and struggles the farther he has to go.

Brandon Linder NFL Draft 2014: Highlights, Scouting Report for Jaguars OG | Bleacher Report

Had an extremely tough week during Senior Bowl practices; looked overmatched and off-balance.

Can lunge into engagement with his head down in pass protection allowing defenders to cast him aside or jerk him upfield.

Struggled in Senior Bowl practices versus Minnesota DT Ra'Shede Hageman and failed to cause any real positive blips on the radar through his week in Mobile versus elevated competition.

Can get caught off-balance—forward, backward and even laterally—when anticipating the bull rush in pass protection; much better at handling rushing defenders in close spaces.

Has proven to be a liability in handling counter and inside pass-rush moves from penetrating interior defensive line presences.

Has a great initial punch to go with his big mitts, but needs work on hand placement; too often latches on to defenders on the outside of their arms and shoulders.
 
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Jonathan Feliciano

Jon Feliciano Draft Profile ? NFL.com

Pear-shaped

will lunge after second level targets rather than stalk them. Doesn't play with strong hands and hand placement can be a mess at times. Hands will slide off strike point rather than latch on. Ducks head and loses sight of target on cut blocks. Confined to phone-booth movement.
 
Duke Johnson

Duke Johnson Draft Profile ? NFL.com

At times unwilling to do dirty work in pass protection. Looks for cut blocks rather than squaring up and playing with technique and toughness

Must improve ball security after fumbling six times over last two seasons.
 
Zbrod95 said:
Brandon Linder

Brandon Linder Draft Profile ? NFL.com

Tends to lunge and slip off blocks. Body control and contact balance wane in space and on the move. Is late to cut off linebackers and struggles the farther he has to go.

Brandon Linder NFL Draft 2014: Highlights, Scouting Report for Jaguars OG | Bleacher Report

Had an extremely tough week during Senior Bowl practices; looked overmatched and off-balance.

Can lunge into engagement with his head down in pass protection allowing defenders to cast him aside or jerk him upfield.

Struggled in Senior Bowl practices versus Minnesota DT Ra'Shede Hageman and failed to cause any real positive blips on the radar through his week in Mobile versus elevated competition.

Can get caught off-balance—forward, backward and even laterally—when anticipating the bull rush in pass protection; much better at handling rushing defenders in close spaces.

Has proven to be a liability in handling counter and inside pass-rush moves from penetrating interior defensive line presences.

Has a great initial punch to go with his big mitts, but needs work on hand placement; too often latches on to defenders on the outside of their arms and shoulders.
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And was a 3rd round pick.
 
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NFL scouts, recruiting evaluators assess puzzling Canes problem that new coach must change; Canes, Dolphins, Marlins, Heat chatter | Sports Buzz

Many fans believed it was largely a coaching issue. But two NFL scouts said it’s a combination of both, and one longtime recruiting analyst said the high grades for Miami’s classes are misleadingly skewed.

It’s an issue the next UM coach must figure out, as he determines where the talent needs to be upgraded, what schemes must be changed and how much of a scheme change can help with the current personnel.

Exploring the issue with evaluators who have watched UM closely this season and previous ones:

### A respected NFC scout, who has seen Miami in person and on tape: “When a team isn’t performing [to expectations], there are two reasons: The kid isn't good enough or the coaches aren't doing a good enough job. This situation is a combination of both.

“Offensively, on the lines and the skill positions, I don’t see nearly the talent of past Miami teams. Their top receivers would be third or fourth receivers on old Miami teams. Rashawn Scott and Herb Waters are third-day guys [in the draft]. Stacy Coley has talent, but his play is mediocre [until recently]. I don’t see a great running back there now.

“But defensively, they should be better than this. There are eight or nine [draft-eligible] kids I've been looking at on their defense; no way they should be losing 58-0. They have two defensive linemen, [Ufomba] Kamalu and [Calvin] Heurtelou who will be at NFL camps. Neither one would have played on old Miami lines, but I’ll take them to at least try to make my team.

“They will never be able to return to those famous defensive lines with Cortez Kennedy and Jerome Brown, but they've got defensive linemen that are more than respectable for the ACC.

“They've got a talented secondary. Artie Burns has the talent to be a first-round pick. Corn Elder is a pretty good player. Deon Bush -- he's going to play in the league, maybe a fourth or fifth-round pick. Tracy Howard is a good little corner, a draftable kid, could be your fifth or sixth corner [on an NFL team].”

In regard to Rivals.com saying Clemson and Miami signed nearly identically rated recruiting classes, the scout said: “Clemson obviously is more talented from top to bottom. But with some [Miami] kids, they have talent and it doesn’t convert to the field.” He said one issue for Miami is undisciplined play, not merely penalties but in other ways.

For example: “Artie Burns has got everything you want skill wise, size wise in a corner and he can run, but he is so careless and undisciplined,” the scout said. “He makes a good play and then two, three plays later makes a dumb play. He gave up a touchdown in the Clemson game because he was dumb in his [technique]. Now is that coaching? I’m sure the coach told him what to do, but he wants to do things his way.”

The other NFC scout said he’s convinced the coaching (especially defensively) is holding this team back and Miami must use a defense more reliant on instincts and less on thinking.

“They’ve got to get back to a 4-3 defense and get back recruiting big kids," that scout said.

### Recruiting analyst Larry Blustein, on how UM is losing to teams with much lower-ranked recruiting classes and being blown out by a team (Clemson) with similarly-rated classes:

“The canned answer is the coaching, but you’re grasping when you say that. It's a combination of things. The strength of Clemson was their defensive line, and the weakness of Miami is their offensive line, so they were exploited there.”

Blustein said: “USC went after five-star linemen and two- and three-star running backs. And five-star linemen can make two- or three-star backs look better. That's why USC didn't fade into oblivion after NCAA sanctions while Miami did.

“Miami hasn’t successfully recruited marquee defensive linemen in a long time -- they haven’t recruited guys in the right position to compete with Clemson.” He said the new coach must make that a priority.

“And some of these Miami kids were overrated,” Blustein said. “If these people doing the ratings were professional, they’d be working for a team. Rivals and Scout can make these anointments with nothing riding on it.”

But how can four-star St. Thomas Aquinas grad Joey Bosa go to Ohio State and have 21 sacks in his first two years there, while UM’s five-star Chad Thomas (from Booker T. Washington) had one?

“Bosa is being used in a better way," Blustein said. "And look at the guys around him --- they’re better than the guys around Thomas, guys who allow Bosa to freelance. As it turned out, it doesn't look like Chad Thomas and Tracy Howard were five star [worthy] kids.

“The other factor is schemes,” Blustein said. “Duke doesn’t have the athletes Miami has, but there's a scheme, the way David Cutcliffe coaches and the way the kids respond.

“A scheme change can really make a difference. You would think [UM coaches] would have said, ‘Let's change it up.’ They have more 4-3 guys than 3-4 guys. But you can’t make Brad Kaaya into a spread quarterback if they want to play [a pure] spread” next year.

Former UM Heisman Trophy winner Gino Torretta makes a valid point: “The kids are thinking way too much [on defense]. Pare the scheme back; run a couple plays over and over. Let the kids play fast.” (Let’s hope the new 2016 coordinator does this.)
 
It's amazing that you could be so clueless as to miss the point.

You're making my argument for me.

All these guys were drafted because of their talent and athleticism.

We've only had 7 defensive players drafted in 5 years because they're not that talented or athletic.
 
Zbrod95 said:
Many fans believed it was largely a coaching issue. But two NFL scouts said it’s a combination of both, and one longtime recruiting analyst said the high grades for Miami’s classes are misleadingly skewed.
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And you continue to make my points for me.

Amazing.
 
Zbrod95 said:
“Offensively, on the lines and the skill positions, I don’t see nearly the talent of past Miami teams. Their top receivers would be third or fourth receivers on old Miami teams. Rashawn Scott and Herb Waters are third-day guys [in the draft]. Stacy Coley has talent, but his play is mediocre [until recently]. I don’t see a great running back there now.
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You post this and then gloss right over it to get to your confirmation bias.

You'd rather hate Al Golden then accurately diagnose the problem.

That's sad.
 
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