Amount of progress needed in year 1

[Zbrod95]

NFL Scout at Combine: How Did Canes “Not Win at Least Nine Games?” « CBS Miami

At last week’s NFL Combine in Indy, one NFL scout questioned how a team oozing with this much talent could have possibly gone 6-7 last season, as told to Fox Sports‘ Bruce Feldman:

“They had one of the best running backs in college football (Duke Johnson); the best tight end (Clive Walford); the fastest wideout (Phillip Dorsett); one of the best O-linemen (Ereck Flowers); one of the top linebackers (Denzel Perryman); and the guy who was the most impressive player at the East-West game (DE Anthony Chickillo), and I know they got a young QB that’s a stud too (freshman Brad Kaaya),” one longtime NFL scout told FOX Sports in Indy. “They had more front-line talent than half the teams in the SEC. They didn’t have as much talent as Florida State, but they were still pretty loaded. How does that team not win at least nine games in that league?”

Yet none of this year’s outgoing players have pointed the finger at Al Golden or the Miami coaching staff.

“I’m not gonna blame any coach,” Dorsett said. “Coaches coach. Players play. So that’s on us.”

Feldman describes Golden’s status at Miami as “one of the hottest seats in the country” as he heads into his fifth year in Coral Gables. Considering his tenure with the Canes has been eerily similar to Randy Shannon preceding him, this is likely a make-or-break season for Golden.

 

[Brian Piccolo]

“But defensively, they should be better than this. There are eight or nine [draft-eligible] kids I've been looking at on their defense; no way they should be losing 58-0. They have two defensive linemen, [Ufomba] Kamalu and [Calvin] Heurtelou who will be at NFL camps. Neither one would have played on old Miami lines, but I’ll take them to at least try to make my team.

“They will never be able to return to those famous defensive lines with Cortez Kennedy and Jerome Brown, but they've got defensive linemen that are more than respectable for the ACC.

Ha! This is comical.

Your main point is that we had two guys who might be at NFL camps and they've got defensive linemen that are "more than respectable in the ACC."

In other words we're pretty bad on defense.

 

[Zbrod95]

NFL Combine: How Miami wasted so much talent in 2014 & more | FOX Sports

It's commendable that all of the Canes we spoke to in Indy said it's more on them than it should be on Golden or the UM coaches, but there's also an old coaching axiom: You're either coaching it or allowing it to happen, and it's hard to get past a mediocre record, especially when you have a lot of talent — as all the NFL personnel folks can attest.

And that's a big reason why Golden enters 2015 on one of the hottest seats in the country among FBS coaches. The good news for UM: Kaaya was just a freshman, and his old teammates are convinced he has the talent to eventually become one of the best QBs to ever play at UM.

 

[Brian Piccolo]

“The canned answer is the coaching, but you’re grasping when you say that. It's a combination of things. The strength of Clemson was their defensive line, and the weakness of Miami is their offensive line, so they were exploited there.”

And the reason why it's the canned answer is because it's the easiest thing to do. It's the lazy way to evaluate a team. It's also wishful thinking. If the problem is simply the coach then we're one move away from being great again, right?

That's the delusion that our fans have been peddling for 10 years now.

 

[Rellyrell]

Cocaine is a powerful drug, I see. So r u really comparing Golden to Richt now. Yay or nay?

No and no reasonable person would say that.

You're just getting clobbered by actual facts now.

You have not said one substantial thing, period. However, my grandmother always told me, if you argue w/ a fool, then you, too, become a fool. Therefore, I will allow you to think that you've made sound arguments, when the only thing you have done is cherry picked and half answered questions and statements made towards you.

You have yet to provide the class rankings of our opponents and every team in the Coastal to validate your point that we didn't have enough "talent" to win 8 games and that we OVERachieved.

As a side note from your last post, you in, actuality, were comparing Golden w/ Richt. You said, "You same losers said this w/ Shannon and Golden" in response to my post that if Golden and Scott can lead this team to 8 wins, shouldn't a proven coach (Richt) do more? Can you even comprehend your own responses???

Again, my grandmother always said, when you argue w/ a FOOL...you too, become a fool. Therefore, I will leave you to your opinion.

 

[Rellyrell]

“The canned answer is the coaching, but you’re grasping when you say that. It's a combination of things. The strength of Clemson was their defensive line, and the weakness of Miami is their offensive line, so they were exploited there.”

And the reason why it's the canned answer is because it's the easiest thing to do. It's the lazy way to evaluate a team. It's also wishful thinking. If the problem is simply the coach then we're one move away from being great again, right?

That's the delusion that our fans have been peddling for 10 years now.

One more thing....

I'm curious, what did you think about Michigan's team from the past 4 years or so prior to Harbaugh?

 

[Brian Piccolo]

You have not said one substantial thing, period.

Someone like you wouldn't think so.

In the meantime you've got zbrod running around like a fool making my points for me.

It's comical how dumb the average message board fan is.

 

[Zbrod95]

LOL, cornball if our best players from this era scouting reports are littered, LITTERED, with technique issues from Running Back to Safety where in your little, little pea brain makes you think those same problems aren't also littered all over the roster??

you should go take a s**t, grab your UM degree to wipe your ***, and throw it away if you lack the IQ points to make the simple connection between the two.

 

[Brian Piccolo]

You have yet to provide the class rankings of our opponents and every team in the Coastal to validate your point that we didn't have enough "talent" to win 8 games and that we OVERachieved.

You're so clueless that you don't even know what the word overachieved implies.

It means that based on our performance we overachieved in winning 8 games. You can still rip the coach (which is what all fanboys love the most) with that fact in hand.

 

[Brian Piccolo]

At last week’s NFL Combine in Indy, one NFL scout questioned how a team oozing with this much talent could have possibly gone 6-7 last season, as told to Fox Sports‘ Bruce Feldman:

That team only played two close games all year and lost both of them.

Their Pythagorean win total was 8.

So, yes, obviously that team underachieved even based on how they played.

 

[Brian Piccolo]

As a side note from your last post, you in, actuality, were comparing Golden w/ Richt. You said, "You same losers said this w/ Shannon and Golden" in response to my post that if Golden and Scott can lead this team to 8 wins, shouldn't a proven coach (Richt) do more? Can you even comprehend your own responses???

Only a mental midget would say that.

See you have to make things up and/or lie at this point to save face.

I've been very clear that Richt was a great hire but I'm withholding judgement on first year expectations until the Fall.

 

[Rellyrell]

You have yet to provide the class rankings of our opponents and every team in the Coastal to validate your point that we didn't have enough "talent" to win 8 games and that we OVERachieved.

You're so clueless that you don't even know what the word overachieved implies.

It means that based on our performance we overachieved in winning 8 games. You can still rip the coach (which is what all fanboys love the most) with that fact in hand.

Again, post the schedules over the last 5 years, go back and look at our opponents talent level and then let's talk. Stop calling someone clueless or using childish antics w/o any substantiated proof.

 

[Brian Piccolo]

One more thing....

I'm curious, what did you think about Michigan's team from the past 4 years or so prior to Harbaugh?

I think Michigan got exactly what they deserved for a decade.

They ran out Lloyd Carr because they thought they'd be great again with one move. Instead they got a decade of irrelevance.

I also think Harbaugh is a better coach than Richt but we're on the right track.

 

[Brian Piccolo]

LOL, cornball if our best players from this era scouting reports are littered, LITTERED, with technique issues from Running Back to Safety where in your little, little pea brain makes you think those same problems aren't also littered all over the roster??

Now you're just rambling off topic.

I said these same scouts who think we have coaching issues are jumping at the chance to draft our players.

Why?

Because they're not very talented and/or athletic.

You then proceeded to prove my point over and over again.

 

[Rellyrell]

As a side note from your last post, you in, actuality, were comparing Golden w/ Richt. You said, "You same losers said this w/ Shannon and Golden" in response to my post that if Golden and Scott can lead this team to 8 wins, shouldn't a proven coach (Richt) do more? Can you even comprehend your own responses???

Only a mental midget would say that.

See you have to make things up and/or lie at this point to save face.

I've been very clear that Richt was a great hire but I'm withholding judgement on first year expectations until the Fall.

Lol....you post stupidity, get called out for it, resort to name calling to back it up, then think someone else is trying to save face?? Lol (literally). Goldenites are all the same...blame talent, say team overachieved, blah blah blah.

Put Golden on Michigan State's team and put Mike Dantonio on Miami and I'm going to say I'm certain Miami would be in the ACCCG every year while Michigan State fights Iowa State for the last place in the Big 10.

 

[Rellyrell]

LOL, cornball if our best players from this era scouting reports are littered, LITTERED, with technique issues from Running Back to Safety where in your little, little pea brain makes you think those same problems aren't also littered all over the roster??

Now you're just rambling off topic.

I said these same scouts who think we have coaching issues are jumping at the chance to draft our players.

Why?

Because they're not very talented and/or athletic.

You then proceeded to prove my point over and over again.

Allen Hurns, Sam Shields...I'll just leave those two examples right there.

 

[The Franchise]

Any chance you two warriors can have all of your never ending t*te-*-t*tes in this thread? Please don't turn this board into the toilet that was the baseball board.

 

[Brian Piccolo]

Again, post the schedules over the last 5 years, go back and look at our opponents talent level and then let's talk. Stop calling someone clueless or using childish antics w/o any substantiated proof.

You're doing exactly what I expect someone like you to do. Employ fanboy measurements like star ratings and perceived talent to come to your conclusions.

Even then you'd have to skew it since we didn't do all that well in those regards either.

We only had two top 20 recruiting classes and of those top classes were had several busts and overrated prospects.

Nobody is trying to defend Golden's coaching. We likely would have underachieved regardless of the talent.

But the talent was a huge issue and continues to be. Don't delude yourself.

 

[Rellyrell]

One more thing....

I'm curious, what did you think about Michigan's team from the past 4 years or so prior to Harbaugh?

I think Michigan got exactly what they deserved for a decade.

They ran out Lloyd Carr because they thought they'd be great again with one move. Instead they got a decade of irrelevance.

I also think Harbaugh is a better coach than Richt but we're on the right track.

You're missing the point and I know you're missing the point on purpose b/c if you answered the question directly, it ethers your whole point of talent vs. coaching.

Was not the 2015-2016 Michigan team the same 5-7 Michigan football team before Harbaugh got there?

 

[Brian Piccolo]

Goldenites are all the same..

Goldenites usually say he sucked?

INteresting.