Adarius Hayes

[423Hurricane]

There’s not nearly as much speculation going on as some of you want to believe. The facts, the news reports, the witnesses, his history of speeding, and common sense are all imploring you to catch up

It’s still speculation until the FACTS are revealed by the authorities. There are reports about this and that and many questions yet to be answered.

 

[Rellyrell]

Everyone’s commenting but was our guy the cause?!

Define cause? Was he driving the speed limit & the person turned into his right-away? Did the other driver misread, misgauge the speed & thought they had more time? Did Adarius go double the speed of the limit & was in violation of traffic laws? Was Adarius distracted and neglected to see a car making a left?

See how far of a rabbit hole this is? So if it shows that Adarius is guilty of reckless driving, yes he can be considered the cause, even if the other party made a left turn that could be determined if reckless driving did not occur, both parties would’ve been safe.

However Adarius, as reported, already has a sketchy traffic history since being enrolled here. So benefit of the doubt is becoming increasingly difficult.

 

[SinisterCane]

Car insurance companies determines who is at fault in a car accident. They can look at the damage done to the vehicles and determine at fault even without a police report.

This is incorrect as soon as the investigating officers at the scene of the accident conclude who was at fault they will give them a citation, and then from that point insurance companies can finalize who is at fault

Yes, the insurance companies can simultaneously start their investigation, as soon as that citation is issued game on

 

[F-MarioCristobal]

I agree regarding the forensics report and on-board computer data for sure - that's all that matters and they'll be able to get pretty accurate story of what happened. The side of the road radar a quarter mile away and some eye-witnesses aren't all that useful for actually assigning blame in this accident yet imo.
Like at what speed is it Reckless to the point its primarily your fault vs the person making the unprotected left? Like I said, I imagine on a 40mph divided road that wide, that you'd catch the majority of vehicles going closer to 50mph than 40 or under, but idk. So what actually matters is How much over the speed limit and whether he was being super unpredictable/aggressive maneuvering.

I'd probably say anything above maybe 65 is probably in the he's absolutely gotta be charged range. Under that and its more difficult to say

Is pulling onboard computer information like a plane’s black box actually a thing? Never even heard of that before.

 

[423Hurricane]

Is pulling onboard computer information like a plane’s black box actually a thing? Never even heard of that before.

Never heard that either but wouldn’t be surprised with all the computer tech in cars these days

 

[Poptimus]

Is pulling onboard computer information like a plane’s black box actually a thing? Never even heard of that before.

Depends on the car. Not sure (and I doubt) a Durango has that feature, but Henry Ruggs’ Corvette airbag computer data recorded his car’s speed and was used against him.

 

[tdjones34]

Define cause? Was he driving the speed limit & the person turned into his right-away? Did the other driver misread, misgauge the speed & thought they had more time? Did Adarius go double the speed of the limit & was in violation of traffic laws? Was Adarius distracted and neglected to see a car making a left?

See how far of a rabbit hole this is? So if it shows that Adarius is guilty of reckless driving, yes he can be considered the cause, even if the other party made a left turn that could be determined if reckless driving did not occur, both parties would’ve been safe.

However Adarius, as reported, already has a sketchy traffic history since being enrolled here. So benefit of the doubt is becoming increasingly difficult.

Does the accident occur if the kia doesn't pull out in front of oncoming traffic?
that's the cause

now could there be factors that prevented the Durango from avoiding the huge error of the Kia, possibly.

 

[Reyrey]

Is pulling onboard computer information like a plane’s black box actually a thing? Never even heard of that before.

I’m pretty sure new cars have it or something along those lines. They can see if a phone is being used while on Blue-tooth or something along those lines. That girl that hit and killed those 2-3 cops a couple months ago, I’m pretty sure they checked it in her car to see if she was on her phone.

 

[P-Tizzle]

This is incorrect as soon as the investigating officers at the scene of the accident conclude who was at fault they will give them a citation, and then from that point insurance companies can finalize who is at fault

Yes, the insurance companies can simultaneously start their investigation, as soon as that citation is issued game on

no, police do not determine who is at fault in a car accident. Three major car insurance companies, Geico, Progressive, and Allstate claim that the insurance company (and their specialists called adjustors) determine who is at fault in a car accident.

 

[Calinative]

Is pulling onboard computer information like a plane’s black box actually a thing? Never even heard of that before.

Its very different in that on planes it's literally built to survive basically anything and is critical. In vehicles obviously it's not even close to the same standard, and I'm pretty sure it can get corrupted in a collision. But they're supposed to automatically save a 30 seconds pre-impact of speed, throttle/brake position, and seatbelt status. Though, I'd guess It's also very manufacturer dependent how good that data recording will be for anything more or better than that, but they should all have those basics.
I just know for Teslas the amount of data that gets saved would probably shock most people because in addition to the EDR it is the most software advanced manufacturer and also records everything with its autopilot system (so like 7 surround video and all the data you could imagine about the vehicle status down to how rolled down the windows are and ****... that auto saves when it detects crash or even setting to autosave when you honk and ****) which is stored separately This as an example.
Also I'm sure some manufactures make it a headache to extract the data. Some make it easier than others and you can do it straight through the can bus or better...

 

[Calinative]

Depends on the car. Not sure (and I doubt) a Durango has that feature, but Henry Ruggs’ Corvette airbag computer data recorded his car’s speed and was used against him.

https://knottlab.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/01/EDR-Chart-2025.pdf

Durangos do and have longer than most. Pretty much every new vehicle does. I think it may be a law.

 

[Rellyrell]

Does the accident occur if the kia doesn't pull out in front of oncoming traffic?
that's the cause

now could there be factors that prevented the Durango from avoiding the huge error of the Kia, possibly.

U’re trying to argue correlation vs. causation. The two r not synonymous.

So let’s use this example:

Based upon distance, I have the right to make a left turn, however, u r distracted by texting and driving, talking on the phone, arguing w someone, or just plain speeding seeing if u can play the daredevil game “chicken.” Who’s at fault? This is why SIU guys get paid handsomely & it’s not a glorious job, especially when lives r involved.

So the argument of the left-turn is moot; drivers have responsibilities, that’s why there are laws. If Adarius was shown or proven to be driving at a reckless speed, he can be found civilly liable, while also being deemed not at-fault in the accident at the same time. Again, does it matter if he’s shown to be reckless?

 

[JennStrawley’sBabyDaddy]

Its very different in that on planes it's literally built to survive basically anything and is critical. In vehicles obviously it's not even close to the same standard, and I'm pretty sure it can get corrupted in a collision. But they're supposed to automatically save a 30 seconds pre-impact of speed, throttle/brake position, and seatbelt status. Though, I'd guess It's also very manufacturer dependent how good that data recording will be for anything more or better than that, but they should all have those basics.
I just know for Teslas the amount of data that gets saved would probably shock most people because in addition to the EDR it is the most software advanced manufacturer and also records everything with its autopilot system (so like 7 surround video and all the data you could imagine about the vehicle status down to how rolled down the windows are and ****... that auto saves when it detects crash or even setting to autosave when you honk and ****) which is stored separately This as an example.
Also I'm sure some manufactures make it a headache to extract the data. Some make it easier than others and you can do it straight through the can bus or better...

We were doing low altitude training maneuvers through the canyons in Nevada once. One of our pilots pulled up too late and burned into the side of a mountain. I was on crash recovery, which sucked. There was not as much left as you would think. That black box (orange box) somehow made it.

I know your driving can be tracked remotely with newer vehicles. I’m sure a new SRT Durango has an onboard computer that can track everything that happened. Not to mention there’s probably cameras in that intersection. They’ll be able to see who was at fault.

 

[Rellyrell]

no, police do not determine who is at fault in a car accident. Three major car insurance companies, Geico, Progressive, and Allstate claim that the insurance company (and their specialists called adjustors) determine who is at fault in a car accident.

This is partly true.

Claims at the end of the day determine who’s at fault in an accident, but police reports play a vital role. There’s also something called arbitration in which an insured can use an outside, 3rd party to arbitrate against the ruling of the claims dept. Often, police reports will play a role in this including any camera footage (traffic cams, and/or dash cams). Verbal statements from unbiased witnesses plays a role in to determining who’s at-fault, too.

Claims’ adjusters main purpose is fulfill the language found w/in policies, while also protecting the insurer. So police investigations does or can weigh in on a decision, but it’s not the final decision.

 

[P-Tizzle]

This is partly true.

Claims at the end of the day determine who’s at fault in an accident, but police reports play a vital role. There’s also something called arbitration in which an insured can use an outside, 3rd party to arbitrate against the ruling of the claims dept. Often, police reports will play a role in this including any camera footage (traffic cams, and/or dash cams). Verbal statements from unbiased witnesses plays a role in to determining who’s at-fault, too.

Claims’ adjusters main purpose is fulfill the language found w/in policies, while also protecting the insurer. So police investigations does or can weigh in on a decision, but it’s not the final decision.

Yes, because the final decision belongs to the car insurance

 

[Ryanmilli]

Is pulling onboard computer information like a plane’s black box actually a thing? Never even heard of that before.

Yes, it’s called an EDR (electronic data recorder). It’s in all vehicles produced starting a decade or so ago. Law enforcement and accident reconstructionists can download the data and run it through software. It will give them limited data for I believe 5 seconds before the collision. Basically speed, steering, braking, acceleration, and (maybe) yaw of the vehicle. They can use the data to do an accident reconstruction.

Reconstructionsts can also determine speed using physics equations based on curb weight, the coefficient of friction of the road surface, and behavior of the vehicles after impact.

Some vehicles also video record and save up to 30 seconds of video when accidents occur.

You can get certain data from infotainment systems to determine if someone was changing songs or texting or whatever.

Law enforcement and experts will get a very good understanding of what happened here.

 

[KANE]

That family losing a 4 and 10 year old, no matter who is at fault, man there's not words to say how tragic that is. For real, if they were mine, just end me now.

I honestly, would not even begin to know how to “move on” after experiencing something like that.

 

[SPAMM]

It’s absurd that people are speculating on his speed. At speeds of 80 MPH cars start to come apart.

A Tesla truck doesn't need that speed to fall apart

 

[RF-4CCane]

Depends on the car. Not sure (and I doubt) a Durango has that feature, but Henry Ruggs’ Corvette airbag computer data recorded his car’s speed and was used against him.

That Durango cost more than a Corvette. And yes it has it.

From the 2024 Durango owners manual.

 

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