Adarius Hayes

[tdjones34]

U’re trying to argue correlation vs. causation. The two r not synonymous.

So let’s use this example:

Based upon distance, I have the right to make a left turn, however, u r distracted by texting and driving, talking on the phone, arguing w someone, or just plain speeding seeing if u can play the daredevil game “chicken.” Who’s at fault? This is why SIU guys get paid handsomely & it’s not a glorious job, especially when lives r involved.

So the argument of the left-turn is moot; drivers have responsibilities, that’s why there are laws. If Adarius was shown or proven to be driving at a reckless speed, he can be found civilly liable, while also being deemed not at-fault in the accident at the same time. Again, does it matter if he’s shown to be reckless?

If a car in its lane with the right of way hits you, you didn't have the room to make a safe left turn.
you played chicken and lost or didn't see them

your last paragraph I agree with civil, all it takes is 1% negligence

 

[Zbrod95]

I’m pretty sure new cars have it or something along those lines. They can see if a phone is being used while on Blue-tooth or something along those lines. That girl that hit and killed those 2-3 cops a couple months ago, I’m pretty sure they checked it in her car to see if she was on her phone.

I’m sure too and correct if I’m wrong but isn’t that a huge part of LE building the reenactment of what happened?

 

[KANE]

Looks like we got something in common with UGA after all.......

Jesus this is terrible. Not a great time for my first post but......man, awful.

 

[AtrainCane]

It’s always sad when life is lost in such a preventable situation, always.

If the information about his previous driving run ins with the law are true. Why wasn’t his license already taken from him and revoked? Don’t they have laws for habitual offenders?

 

[Golsen82]

I’m pretty sure new cars have it or something along those lines. They can see if a phone is being used while on Blue-tooth or something along those lines. That girl that hit and killed those 2-3 cops a couple months ago, I’m pretty sure they checked it in her car to see if she was on her phone.

Yes the one on southern blvd

 

[Rellyrell]

If a car in its lane with the right of way hits you, you didn't have the room to make a safe left turn.
you played chicken and lost or didn't see them

your last paragraph I agree with civil, all it takes is 1% negligence

I pray u or ur family r never involved in a fatal accident due to negligence, & I highly doubt a 78 yr old w children as passengers were playing “chicken.”

 

[canes732]

Define cause? Was he driving the speed limit & the person turned into his right-away? Did the other driver misread, misgauge the speed & thought they had more time? Did Adarius go double the speed of the limit & was in violation of traffic laws? Was Adarius distracted and neglected to see a car making a left?

See how far of a rabbit hole this is? So if it shows that Adarius is guilty of reckless driving, yes he can be considered the cause, even if the other party made a left turn that could be determined if reckless driving did not occur, both parties would’ve been safe.

However Adarius, as reported, already has a sketchy traffic history since being enrolled here. So benefit of the doubt is becoming increasingly difficult.

I see what ur saying probably both at fault will come down to the biggest contributing factor probably. Guess this one isn’t cut and dry

 

[canes732]

Is pulling onboard computer information like a plane’s black box actually a thing? Never even heard of that before.

Yes they use it in fatal and serious crashes

 

[tdjones34]

I pray u or ur family r never involved in a fatal accident due to negligence, & I highly doubt a 78 yr old w children as passengers were playing “chicken.”

Thanks man you too
you brought up playing chicken, but people are insane out there, everyday see people turning right out in front of cars, racing down the street and driving without lights at night.
it's all ridiculous

 

[RF-4CCane]

Yes the one on southern blvd

That’s how the Sheriff of PBC was able to say speeding wasn’t an issue within 24 hours of the incident. Iirc that was a Jeep Grand Cherokee which shares the same platform with the Durango and major parts compatibility.
That occurred on the Palm Beach canal side of Southern about a mile from where I used to live in Loxahatchee.

 

[Rellyrell]

Thanks man you too
you brought up playing chicken, but people are insane out there, everyday see people turning right out in front of cars, racing down the street and driving without lights at night.
it's all ridiculous

Unfortunately, the phrase “driving for urself & others, too” couldn’t be more apropos in today’s climate no matter what city or state u’re in.

 

[No_Fly_Zone]

If a car in its lane with the right of way hits you, you didn't have the room to make a safe left turn.
you played chicken and lost or didn't see them

your last paragraph I agree with civil, all it takes is 1% negligence

The bolded is not the law in Florida. Florida is currently a modified comparative fault state. If you don't know what that means without Google or ChatGPT, then you should stay quiet.

 

[1mg of Epi]

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U keep saying this & u’re wrong. This is the Benz that was clocked at close to 100 mph going downhill, unaliving all her victims, ripping cars into two. Guess what? She’s alive and well (in prison).

Her car was mostly intact, even after she caused a fire bomb. So u cannot keep pontificating these false claims. Furthermore, no u’re not the only one w/ “certification” on this board to make these claims.

All depends on the angle and location of impact, along w other factors, speed generally being the biggest. But not always. There is no always or never here.

 

[tdjones34]

The bolded is not the law in Florida. Florida is currently a modified comparative fault state. If you don't know what that means without Google or ChatGPT, then you should stay quiet.

Thanks for advising the law changed in 2023.
without researching are you saying if its 70/30 on kia, the kia would no recourse on the durango under new law?

 

[No_Fly_Zone]

I want you all to know @Brains @JD08 @AtlAtty and I considered pulling the plug on this thread throughout the day. But, we more or less all agreed to let people continue to show their asses.

God bless.

 

[1mg of Epi]

no, police do not determine who is at fault in a car accident. Three major car insurance companies, Geico, Progressive, and Allstate claim that the insurance company (and their specialists called adjustors) determine who is at fault in a car accident.

People aren’t charged criminally based on what geico says. This is referring to whether or not an insurance company pays a claim.

 

[No_Fly_Zone]

Thanks for advising the law changed in 2023.
without researching are you saying if its 70/30 on kia, the kia would no recourse on the durango under new law?

That is not what I am saying.
That is the statutory definition of comparative fault in Florida.

 

[pacusmc]

Yes, it’s called an EDR (electronic data recorder). It’s in all vehicles produced starting a decade or so ago. Law enforcement and accident reconstructionists can download the data and run it through software. It will give them limited data for I believe 5 seconds before the collision. Basically speed, steering, braking, acceleration, and (maybe) yaw of the vehicle. They can use the data to do an accident reconstruction.

Reconstructionsts can also determine speed using physics equations based on curb weight, the coefficient of friction of the road surface, and behavior of the vehicles after impact.

Some vehicles also video record and save up to 30 seconds of video when accidents occur.

You can get certain data from infotainment systems to determine if someone was changing songs or texting or whatever.

Law enforcement and experts will get a very good understanding of what happened here.

Can his phone be subpoenaed for tracking purposes? Some type of warrant/suboeona asking for only that information.

 

[Rellyrell]

All depends on the angle and location of impact, along w other factors, speed generally being the biggest. But not always. There is no always or never here.

It also depends on the make, model, & frame integrity of a vehicle. When this incident happened, while prayers went out to the victims, ppl were flooding the comments w/ “****, I need to get a Benz for safety. The chick had a few scratches while her car, after investigation, was put on coparts.

 

[Ryanmilli]

Can his phone be subpoenaed for tracking purposes? Some type of warrant/suboeona asking for only that information.

Yes, you can subpoena cell phone info and I believe that would include geolocation data.