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Rellyrell said:
Became a fan the following yr; had no idea about the 86 team til that 30/30. Went back & rewatched that game at least 8x on YouTube, hoping for a different outcome each time. Imo, that has the be the biggest head scratching loss in CFB history. I mean, PSU was absolutely dominated in every facet of the game, except the sloppiness displayed. Smh.
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I was 8 days away from 14. Reading the paper watching local news leading up to the game. Hyped. Then vinny.
 
Rellyrell said:
That’s not difficult at all. One was a coach, the other a babysitter. It’s just the children he babysat were Goliaths to the rest of the football world
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Fair enough. I think the 01 team beats 86, in a tight, close game. Stubbs, Jerome, Bennie Blades and the rest of that defense aren’t about to let the 01 team run away with anything. Johnson outcoaches Coker and his, but talent on the field wins out in the end.
 
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Boarcane said:
Since resuming operations in 1999, the Browns have struggled to find success. They have had only two winning seasons (in 2002 and 2007), one playoff appearance (2002), and no playoff wins, winning only approximately a third of their games in total

Think about this and 🤫 Butch was coaching in Cleveland for two years. A new coach in year TWO in the “not for long league” on a new to the league team. He did follow Chris Palmer, who was 5-27 and obviously left him a loaded team lmao. EIGHTEEN years later and they’re still praying for the playoffs, in a league where you’re pretty much guaranteed a post season birth with a 500% record. Ten TEN multimillion dollar head coaches later and not a single trip to the postseason, two decades later. Ask Cleveland if they’d like another charlatan as their head coach.... I know I would like one here!
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The CFB world would be a lot different had Butch not left Miami, or if Miami had brought him back after Cleveland. We'd have several more titles.
 
TemplarCane said:
Fair enough. I think the 01 team beats 86, in a tight, close game. Stubbs, Jerome, Bennie Blades and the rest of that defense aren’t about to let the 01 team run away with anything. Johnson outcoaches Coker and his, but talent on the field wins out in the end.
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I can see that












But Vinny still throws 10. Lol
 
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Rellyrell said:
On 11/23/19 Butch proved to be a game day coach.

The guy went 4-0 in bowl games while here. FIU is having their most successful stretch in their history now. I don’t know where the “he’s not a game day coach” rhetoric comes from. He had to build us up, build UNC up, and now building FIU. He’s never taken over a fluid program; even the Cleveland Browns.
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You'd be surprised how much of the banner and other anger towards Butch back in the day was because of horrible time management and the same mind numbing penalties we still see today.

Bad time outs, procedural problems and my God the penalties were a constant during his time here.

By the end we were just out-talenting everyone to blowout wins.

Sorry brother I can't call a guy a good game day coach when he loses three conference games by a combined 100+ points in his third year at a program, One of those came to a UAB program that didn't even exist a few years ago.
 
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” Butch was a good game day coach “ might be the funniest thing I’ve ever read. Jesus.

He was a great evaluator but a straight up bad game day coach. Read up on what Bruce Ariana thinks of him as a coach lol. There’s a reason unc blew so many late leads under him, in the fourth quarter he wanted to go two deep safety, run the clock and tuck his wiener between his butt cheeks. Miami he could do that , there’s few other places he could’ve had the same results. His location plus his evaluation skills made it a perfect storm. Back before there was recruiting info, videos or data on a player always at arms reach.

Dude was never in saban or Meyers stratosphere , Put butch at a bowling green or Utah back in the day and it would’ve been hilarity.


I’m amazed at his legend growing here lol, I don’t get it but oh well.
 
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Perfectly stated, Josh Cribbs. Another thing people don't really get is that JJ wasn't much better as an actual technician.

JJ was very similar to Booch. Incredible recruiter/evaluator and a decent motivator through fear. But JJ laid many many eggs as a gameday coach including the Fiesta Bowl and the Sugar Bowl when Johnny Major wiped his *** with JJ's face, not to mention the Maryland game. Then, there were several examples with the Fins including the time Tom Coughlin gutted him like a sea bass in the playoffs.

The Big Buck, Wayne Fontes, even humiliated him in the playoffs one year when he went in with a plan to have Erik Kramer throw on every down anticipating that JJ's entire plan centered around stopping Barry Sanders. JJ never did adapt in that game.
 
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The Franchise said:
Perfectly stated, Josh Cribbs. Another thing people don't really get is that JJ wasn't much better as an actual technician.

JJ was very similar to Booch. Incredible recruiter/evaluator and a decent motivator through fear. But JJ laid many many eggs as a gameday coach including the Fiesta Bowl and the Sugar Bowl when Johnny Major wiped his *** with JJ's face, not to mention the Maryland game. Then, there were several examples with the Fins including the time Tom Coughlin gutted him like a sea bass in the playoffs.

The Big Buck, Wayne Fontes, even humiliated him in the playoffs one year when he went in with a plan to have Erik Kramer throw on every down anticipating that JJ's entire plan centered around stopping Barry Sanders. JJ never did adapt in that game.
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I remember when I first started at UM, JJ was considered HIGHLY SUSPECT as a gameday coach. 1987 saved his reputation in that regard, but people forget what actually happened when it happened.

I don't blame JJ for 1984, he had a gun put to his head and he was forced to keep Schnellenberger's coaches, who were very resentful. If we look at the coaches who stayed, the were on the offense side. The ones we pushed out were on D. That motherfvcking D absolutely collapsed against Maryland, and it gave us the chance for JJ to bring in better coaches.

1985 started off poorly, but it was also the last game we lost in the Orange Bowl until 1994. But it was that Tennessee game that really gave JJ the rep as a poor game-day coach.

1986 was beginning to wipe that rep away until Ped State Sanduskied us.

By 1987, the world was certain that JJ was a crappy big-game/game-day coach. Though we did go 12-0.

And in 1988, we got screwed by the refs in South Bendover.

Then JJ had to re-prove himself all over again in Dallas after starting 1-15.

And don't even get me started on how every freakin' year, The Miami Hurricane would open the fall semester with an article asking if THIS was the year that Miami would drop 2 regular season games again.
 
TheOriginalCane said:
I remember when I first started at UM, JJ was considered HIGHLY SUSPECT as a gameday coach. 1987 saved his reputation in that regard, but people forget what actually happened when it happened.

I don't blame JJ for 1984, he had a gun put to his head and he was forced to keep Schnellenberger's coaches, who were very resentful. If we look at the coaches who stayed, the were on the offense side. The ones we pushed out were on D. That motherfvcking D absolutely collapsed against Maryland, and it gave us the chance for JJ to bring in better coaches.

1985 started off poorly, but it was also the last game we lost in the Orange Bowl until 1994. But it was that Tennessee game that really gave JJ the rep as a poor game-day coach.

1986 was beginning to wipe that rep away until Ped State Sanduskied us.

By 1987, the world was certain that JJ was a crappy big-game/game-day coach. Though we did go 12-0.

And in 1988, we got screwed by the refs in South Bendover.

Then JJ had to re-prove himself all over again in Dallas after starting 1-15.

And don't even get me started on how every freakin' year, The Miami Hurricane would open the fall semester with an article asking if THIS was the year that Miami would drop 2 regular season games again.
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JJ and Booch were absolute savants in one area--evaluation. Their genius in that area allowed them to thrive at times. And JJ's ability to hoodwink the Vikings led to much of his success with the Cowboys.
 
caneinorlando said:
Not just Vinny...Plenty of other blame to go around....Cuz was a GA at UM in 86....we've talked plenty about the game...Waayyy more than just Vinny...
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I was to young to know anything else. Guy threw a ton of picks and we lost by one score.
 
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