30 carries for Knighton. 4 for Franklin and Brown combined

[SCarolina Ibis]

This staff has proven that player health isn't taken into consideration

Yep. You'd think they'd wanna be overly cautious. We're a rooster injury away from going full on air raid and a TVD injury away from ____. I have no idea what the plan would be if TVD went down. His backup is walk-on Ryan Rizk. If both TVD and rooster went down we'd have to start a walk-on QB and Cody Brown.

 

[SFbayCane]

LMAO, he averages over 5 yards a carry and goes for a buck 60 and yall can’t help but complain about usage. Cody Brown got a short yardage carry, or didn’t anyone watch the game. He didn’t convert.

Somewhere OP is sitting in a poorly lit room muttering to himself, “5 yards running over defenders is worth more than 5 yards eluding tackles.”

Again, our staff played one running back on every single play for six consecutive quarters. Every...single...play...for a game and half. Oh by the way, that running back ended up getting a season-ending injury during the next game. (insert correlation not equalling causation retort here --> X )

The roster management issue is a valid topic of discussion here, especially the overuse of a running back. No need to bash OP for bringing it up.

 

[TOcane]

There seems to be a lot of confusion here. People don't get that just because you don't want to run a guy 30 times doesn't mean it's not what's needed sometimes. If we had put GT away like we should have, then I think running the other guys more would have been an option. But god help the coach who doesn't run Knighton 30 times and loses the game, CIS will burn his house down and possibly murder his children.

If he didn’t fumble we would have had a larger lead and he may not have needed to get as many carries. Just a thought.

 

[IndayArtHauz]

Again, our staff played one running back on every single play for six consecutive quarters. Every...single...play...for a game and half. Oh by the way, that running back ended up getting a season-ending injury during the next game. (insert correlation not equalling causation retort here --> X )

The roster management issue is a valid topic of discussion here, especially the overuse of a running back. No need to bash OP for bringing it up.

OP called Lashlee an asshat for not putting in Thad, who can’t block and seems wholly unready for the game as yet. I’m not bashing him personally, I’m criticizing the validity of his argument. Because it’s simplistic and wrong. If you take issue with my word choice and phrasing, fine. I respect that.

Roster management is a wonderful thought when you have a roster of RBs. We don’t, nor do we have an extra TVD on the bench. We effectively have 1 back, every play Rooster was in mattered, and he held up well physically. When Cam played 100% of the snaps they had Don coming off an injury (or already out, I can’t remember) and Rooster suspended. It’s not like they've been playing with a full deck all year.

What’s the rotation threshold that would’ve sufficed? Getting Franklin and Brown 10 carries total? 15, 20? Would everyone have been ok with the roster management then? How many missed blocks would’ve been acceptable, because Rooster didn’t have a single target out of the backfield this game. He was kept blocking a ton. Are we supposed to rotate in inferior backs just because, regardless of outcome?

The OL cannot run block well enough for an average back to get yards. Im not even down on the freshman, I’m just saying they aren’t ready to be rotated in with minimal disruption.

How many of the runs were called and how many were TVD making a read and a give? If 4 had 27 carries instead of 32 is that better? What if he had 25 and 5 catches? Where’s the line?

It’s one thing to say, “hey we should look to rotate guys a bit more” and it’s another to say “look you asshat you can’t manage yourself roster”. OP chose the latter.

 

[Number1CanesFan]

Nobody is saying he should get 30 touches a game..and if we had another back the OC and Position coaches trusted he wouldn’t of had 2..but we are not in a ideal situation as far as depth at that position. We lost 2 backs to szn ending injuries..Plus he’s not only capable of handling the position BUT HES ALSO OUR MOST DYNAMIC PLAYER..how hard is that to understand? Yesterday was a close conference game..so you play and get the ball in your best players hands..so now it goes from the staff doesn’t play/utilize it’s talent..too no he’s playing utilizing his best play maker took much. You guys are acting like we have a healthy room and they choose to ride him. No. It’s either keep your best player on the field in a close game or play 2 tf RBs the OC and position coach clearly don’t trust in any and ever situation

All this "trust" is just garbage to me. Put guys into the game and see what they can do. It took 9 games to build "trust" to get Franklin 1 carry? C'mon!!!

Don't even get me started on defensive side of the ball with this "trust." I see #11 and #44 making a bunch of mistakes every week yet they get all the snaps at their position. I saw #11 literally no move when the ball was snapped
It GT RB Gibbs ran literally right past his outside shoulder. Should have been a 3-5 yard gain. Instead it's a house call. I call that a lack of accountability and if the coaches don't feel the other guys are ready, then it's an indictment on their lack of coaching.

You don't know what you really have good or bad until players get live snaps. Get them in the game.

 

[NorthEastCane]

If the TOs don’t keep that game close..Rooster doesn’t have too give us what he gave yesterday

But they did happen so you have to adjust. At one point Knighton came out holding his shoulder (or wrist). You're playing with fire if you don't give him a blow every now and then.

 

[NorthEastCane]

All this "trust" is just garbage to me. Put guys into the game and see what they can do. It took 9 games to build "trust" to get Franklin 1 carry? C'mon!!!

Don't even get me started on defensive side of the ball with this "trust." I see #11 and #44 making a bunch of mistakes every week yet they get all the snaps at their position. I saw #11 literally no move when the ball was snapped
It GT RB Gibbs ran literally right past his outside shoulder. Should have been a 3-5 yard gain. Instead it's a house call. I call that a lack of accountability and if the coaches don't feel the other guys are ready, then it's an indictment on their lack of coaching.

You don't know what you really have good or bad until players get live snaps. Get them in the game.

This is a staff coaching for their lives in tight games against bottom feeders. It's not garbage, it's almost what you'd expect.

We could sure use a blowout so we can get them into games and see what they could do. And that goes for Cave, Chase Smith and anyone else you want to insert.

My concern is it's going to catch you with you.

 

[305to954]

All this "trust" is just garbage to me. Put guys into the game and see what they can do. It took 9 games to build "trust" to get Franklin 1 carry? C'mon!!!

Don't even get me started on defensive side of the ball with this "trust." I see #11 and #44 making a bunch of mistakes every week yet they get all the snaps at their position. I saw #11 literally no move when the ball was snapped
It GT RB Gibbs ran literally right past his outside shoulder. Should have been a 3-5 yard gain. Instead it's a house call. I call that a lack of accountability and if the coaches don't feel the other guys are ready, then it's an indictment on their lack of coaching.

You don't know what you really have good or bad until players get live snaps. Get them in the game.

Oh your under the impression that **** can’t be worse huh?? I promise bruh..ain’t no coach hiding talent..based on whatever y’all want to be. 17, 44 came in 1 class before huff..Huff had a chance to show earlier this szn..were u impressed? Did he change anything. Tac came in playing the same **** position as 11..coach has no problem playing him..24, 0 and 56 all have come along as expected…we even see how quickly we got 15 out there. All these fresh are and have been playing

 

[coffeecane]

These people saying Rooster should carry it 30 times a game should just STFU because they're just showing their ignorance about the game of football and what the hits do to the body over the course of a season. Rooster is not built to carry the ball 30 times a game. Even if he were, it would still be a bad idea.

Doing so on a weekly basis is counterproductive and will result in injuries.

The guys that have carried the ball 30 times a game over their careers now walk with a cane if they can walk at all. NFL teams don't do it anymore. Sure, here and there a guy may get 30+, but not a week-in week-out game plan to carry it 30+ times. Most teams have a "feature back" that may carry it 15-20 times and may get another 5-10 touches in the pass game.

There's only so many hits the body can take before things begin to break down.

He had no other options. The game shouldn't have been close. But it was. Roll with your best. I don't think anyone wants to run him 30 times a game but when back 1 and 2 go down you go to back 3. Honest question:. Would you have rather lost the game yesterday? Jesus they finally are playing to win (most of the time) and we still complain.

 

[305to954]

This is a staff coaching for their lives in tight games against bottom feeders. It's not garbage, it's almost what you'd expect.

We could sure use a blowout so we can get them into games and see what they could do. And that goes for Cave, Chase Smith and anyone else you want to insert.

My concern is it's going to catch you with you.

Man this FSU game is the game everyone eats..I’ve been saying the szn started with UVA..that doesn’t mean ignore the first 4..but this is a different team and it’s learning about itself. Most important thing they needed was confidence..eerily reminds me of that 2015 team that lost 4 straight then won its next 4 including the bowl game..we all wish we started the szn faster

 

[Number1CanesFan]

OP called Lashlee an asshat for not putting in Thad, who can’t block and seems wholly unready for the game as yet. I’m not bashing him personally, I’m criticizing the validity of his argument. Because it’s simplistic and wrong. If you take issue with my word choice and phrasing, fine. I respect that.

Roster management is a wonderful thought when you have a roster of RBs. We don’t, nor do we have an extra TVD on the bench. We effectively have 1 back, every play Rooster was in mattered, and he held up well physically. When Cam played 100% of the snaps they had Don coming off an injury (or already out, I can’t remember) and Rooster suspended. It’s not like they've been playing with a full deck all year.

What’s the rotation threshold that would’ve sufficed? Getting Franklin and Brown 10 carries total? 15, 20? Would everyone have been ok with the roster management then? How many missed blocks would’ve been acceptable, because Rooster didn’t have a single target out of the backfield this game. He was kept blocking a ton. Are we supposed to rotate in inferior backs just because, regardless of outcome?

The OL cannot run block well enough for an average back to get yards. Im not even down on the freshman, I’m just saying they aren’t ready to be rotated in with minimal disruption.

How many of the runs were called and how many were TVD making a read and a give? If 4 had 27 carries instead of 32 is that better? What if he had 25 and 5 catches? Where’s the line?

It’s one thing to say, “hey we should look to rotate guys a bit more” and it’s another to say “look you asshat you can’t manage yourself roster”. OP chose the latter.

One RB can't take all the snaps. He'll be worn down and the Rooster was clearly worn out late in the 4th quarter. Do this game after game and your RB will be out with injuries. The coaches should know better. They've had a few weeks to get the other guys ready if they thought they weren't. They're not looking out for Knighton.

Lashlee should have taken some of the carries away by simply getting the ball to him in the passing game. That should be part of the gameplan and lighten the load on Rooster.

As much as Lashlee can be creative, he's stubborn to the point of stupidity. Runs the same **** play over and over again in short yardage and it's never successful. Nearly cost us the game at Pitt and at least 3 times against GT thst could have cost us the GT game as well.

Then you have Manny with his postgame BS excuses talking about the GT defense having an extra an in the box and run blitzing. Well of course they did. That's why you DON'T run delayed handoffs out of shot gun in short yardage situations.

Get the QB under center and sneak the **** ball!!!! The rules literally give you a layup allowing players to push the QB forward.

 

[305to954]

OP called Lashlee an asshat for not putting in Thad, who can’t block and seems wholly unready for the game as yet. I’m not bashing him personally, I’m criticizing the validity of his argument. Because it’s simplistic and wrong. If you take issue with my word choice and phrasing, fine. I respect that.

Roster management is a wonderful thought when you have a roster of RBs. We don’t, nor do we have an extra TVD on the bench. We effectively have 1 back, every play Rooster was in mattered, and he held up well physically. When Cam played 100% of the snaps they had Don coming off an injury (or already out, I can’t remember) and Rooster suspended. It’s not like they've been playing with a full deck all year.

What’s the rotation threshold that would’ve sufficed? Getting Franklin and Brown 10 carries total? 15, 20? Would everyone have been ok with the roster management then? How many missed blocks would’ve been acceptable, because Rooster didn’t have a single target out of the backfield this game. He was kept blocking a ton. Are we supposed to rotate in inferior backs just because, regardless of outcome?

The OL cannot run block well enough for an average back to get yards. Im not even down on the freshman, I’m just saying they aren’t ready to be rotated in with minimal disruption.

How many of the runs were called and how many were TVD making a read and a give? If 4 had 27 carries instead of 32 is that better? What if he had 25 and 5 catches? Where’s the line?

It’s one thing to say, “hey we should look to rotate guys a bit more” and it’s another to say “look you asshat you can’t manage yourself roster”. OP chose the latter.

Ppl acting likes this is madden or NCAA

 

[Number1CanesFan]

This is a staff coaching for their lives in tight games against bottom feeders. It's not garbage, it's almost what you'd expect.

We could sure use a blowout so we can get them into games and see what they could do. And that goes for Cave, Chase Smith and anyone else you want to insert.

My concern is it's going to catch you with you.

It is garbage because some of the guys in the game make agregious mistakes from which a replacement COULD DO NO WORSE!!! Some how that's acceptable because they "trust them"

So, if a replacement could do no worse, there's no reason not to play them. Give them snaps early in the game, then go from there.

 

[305to954]

But they did happen so you have to adjust. At one point Knighton came out holding his shoulder (or wrist). You're playing with fire if you don't give him a blow every now and then.

And the adjustment made was get the ball to our best play makers..that’s 4 and 11..if we 2 and 23 or just one of them available they eat and take less off 4…but we are in a situation where we have 1 back who is trusted not only as a guy who know all his responsibilities and can execute..but is also our top play maker…when Duke got 30 plus touches and single handed won in Blacksburg were y’all coming back the next day questioning that? No. So this **** is just weird energy lol

 

[305to954]

I really don’t get the confusion..we are down 2 backs who would clearly be playing..so to bring up roster management as tho we are working with a full deck..wth are we discussing.

 

[NorthEastCane]

It is garbage because some of the guys in the game make agregious mistakes from which a replacement COULD DO NO WORSE!!! Some how that's acceptable because they "trust them"

So, if a replacement could do no worse, there's no reason not to play them. Give them snaps early in the game, then go from there.

I thought it couldn't get worse until we botched a two point conversion.

Cross your finger when you say that. It can always get worse.

 

[AHURT12]

Idk what's worse: that stat or Lashlee's playbook consisting of one running play that makes 3rd and shorts nearly impossible to convert.

Knighton is a good thing, let's not run him into the ground just because you're a lazy fvck and can't recognize the talent -- and change of pace back -- that is Thad Franklin. Who's just waiting to punish tired defenses in the third and fourth quarter and is actually ideal for the one running play you've got, Lashlee you asshat.

Also, nothing ****es me off more than college OCs making one RB carry the entire load as if they're getting paid for it. The shelf life of RBs are short enough as it is, don't put so many miles on him before he even gets paid to take the punishment he's receiving.

For as many points as we put up Lashlee sure does hold his offense back with his lack of common sense and it's just begging to cost us big some point soon.

Lmao. This is what type of thread gets made when were on a 3 game winning streak . Lol. This is what's on your mind??? SMH this has got to he the absolute worse fanbase in all of sports.

 

[NorthEastCane]

And the adjustment made was get the ball to our best play makers..that’s 4 and 11..if we 2 and 23 or just one of them available they eat and take less off 4…but we are in a situation where we have 1 back who is trusted not only as a guy who know all his responsibilities and can execute..but is also our top play maker…when Duke got 30 plus touches and single handed won in Blacksburg were y’all coming back the next day questioning that? No. So this **** is just weird energy lol

Duke was built much stronger and I don't believe it was his freshman year.

I'm not saying Knighton should be out any extended period of time. I'm saying you have to pace him so he finished the season on the field. What happens to the offense if we were to lose him?

 

[W[]_[]CaneClan]

He wouldn’t be getting this many carries if we hadn’t lost Cam and Don.

Yeah it would just be cam getting the bulk of the touches and falling down for no gain at the slightest hint of contact. Lashlee has no feel for rotating backs and it’s gonna get knighton hurt before the end of the year.

 

[Number1CanesFan]

Oh your under the impression that **** can’t be worse huh?? I promise bruh..ain’t no coach hiding talent..based on whatever y’all want to be. 17, 44 came in 1 class before huff..Huff had a chance to show earlier this szn..were u impressed? Did he change anything. Tac came in playing the same **** position as 11..coach has no problem playing him..24, 0 and 56 all have come along as expected…we even see how quickly we got 15 out there. All these fresh are and have been playing

I actually think some guys are getting black balled.

Let's not get it twisted. There was very little rotation until it was Manny's only out to play other modtly younger players to save his job. Not with wins, but that we have a bunch of young players playing, so give me a pass.

Diaz's playing philosophy is part of reason he's going to be fired. He literally admitted that guys weren't playing well and others would start to get snaps or more of them. That was 4-5 weeks into the season. That has to be the philosophy from day 1. It's the next man up. Keep substituting until someone gets the job done. You don't keep putting the same guys out there. Make them sit at least a few snaps before you circle back around to them. It's like a basketball coach who calls timeout and puts in the backups and walk-ons to send a message to his starters that their play is unacceptable. I've seen coach K at Duke do this several times over the years as well as others.

Diaz allos garbage play then blows smoke up our asses telling us how well so and so played when we saw it for ourselves that they were terrible and the PFF numbers back it up.