3 Reasons we're even better than what we saw!

[Felonious Monk]

Fans go to extremes in emotions, getting overly high (FSU now) or overly low (UF, well maybe not!). We are clearly a better team than last year, but lets see how we at UNC, Clemson, at FSU etc.

But I'm hyped right now. I might not be after those games.

 

[Gransapo]

In both games, I saw a physicality that I had not seen forever at my beloved alma mater. When you are at the game, it’s obviously hard to hear what’s going on with the tv commentary. At the OH game, I commented to my buddy that the Canes won the game like they used to - just bullied and grinded it down. He agreed. The question then became - can we do it again? Against A$M? And we did. We bullied the **** out of those Aggies. The game wasn’t as close as the final score. Outside of the ND game, this was the most dominating game we played against a real opponent since we beat A$M at the old OB one night too long ago.

 

[90scane]

If we are going with 3 reasons, I'll play.

1. We didn't have a full game with Deen, Mesidor, Fletcher, Arroyo, Skinner, Zion, and Citizen. Likely missing a few.
2. This is only the second game played under the new(ish) schemes. Everyone will get better with more PT in the schemes.
3. This is only the second game for a large number of talented freshmen. Those same kids will get more PT in the coming weeks allowing them to get snaps during bigger games without UM seeing a massive drop-off in talent.

 

[Cookie917]

Not sure penalties are an outlier. We had 8-60 game 1 and 10-115 game 2. I don't think we're necessarily undisciplined, but-and call me a homer-I think refs call us different than other teams so at least I expect penalties to always be called against us.

Penalties just need to be fixed. Bottom line. I will say the people who committed the penalties are prob outliers... James is a walking penalty, some of it his fault, some not as I think he gets targeted simply due to his height.

But look at the Mauigoa brothers... I give Francis somewhat of a pass as he is a TF going up against very very talented DE's between him but he had 3 holds I believe? Then add in his brother who had the roughness call AND a holding call, that is **** near 1/2 of the total penalty yards. I do not expect the brothers to continue to have flagged performances like that, they take it too personally. Rest of the stuff is just football (believe each Brown brother got a PI call, Wes got a roughing the passer, bad delay of game when we were driving) we got some bounces as well, some went the other way but it was clear we shot ourselves more in the foot than A&M beating us. A&M had miscues as well and we took advantage.

 

[DTP]

We had a punt blocked that gave A&M an easy score.
We had a muffed punt which gave A&M an easy score.
We ran for 77 total yards.
We went 3-9 on third down.
We had 115 yards in penalties.

None of that even mattered because we had explosive plays in the passing game and a KO return TD.

 

[AlexCane]

Penalties just need to be fixed. Bottom line. I will say the people who committed the penalties are prob outliers... James is a walking penalty, some of it his fault, some not as I think he gets targeted simply due to his height.

But look at the Mauigoa brothers... I give Francis somewhat of a pass as he is a TF going up against very very talented DE's between him but he had 3 holds I believe? Then add in his brother who had the roughness call, that is **** near 1/2 of the total penalty yards. I do not expect the brothers to continue to have flagged performances like that, they take it too personally. Rest of the stuff is just football, we got some bounces as well, some went the other way but it was clear we shot ourselves more in the foot than A&M beating us. A&M had miscues as well and we took advantage.

Sure. There were absolutely penalties. But there were 3 headscratchers that I can recall. I was at the stadium and replays are virtually non-existent but (1) the unsportsmanlike conduct or personal foul when TAMU false started (I certainly didn't hear a whistle or otherwise see that TAMU had stopped the play so that seemed unwarranted); (2) the pass interference call when Weigman threw it into double coverage. That was a prayer and had no chance. Ref should have eaten the whistle. (3) There was a really strange defensive holding call that had everyone around me very confused because the defensive player had no reason to hold.

 

[Salt]

Good point about the penalties

We keep pointing to the huge special teams disasters but holy **** the penalties were killing us

I expected a couple of holding calls dealing with their DEs but yeah we really had some bad ones that would be getting highlighted if we had lost

(How you come out of a timeout and have 13 guys on the field…)

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[Cookie917]

Sure. There were absolutely penalties. But there were 3 headscratchers that I can recall. I was at the stadium and replays are virtually non-existent but (1) the unsportsmanlike conduct or personal foul when TAMU false started (I certainly didn't hear a whistle or otherwise see that TAMU had stopped the play so that seemed unwarranted); (2) the pass interference call when Weigman threw it into double coverage. That was a prayer and had no chance. Ref should have eaten the whistle. (3) There was a really strange defensive holding call that had everyone around me very confused because the defensive player had no reason to hold.

Agreed. that is why I am saying those could be a bit of an outlier. Take out the questionable calls and we are back in the 60 yard range which I think will be about our median.

For 1. on the broadcast you could hear a whistle but most of the AM players did not stop, it was a weird series of events. I blame the refs as they should have been screeching on the whistle and running in to stop the play. They did not, Francisco def did not hear it and went full boat; 2. it was a little touchy especially considering they were letting the DB/WR battle a good bit. I dont mind PI not being called as long as it is consistent. But I do think it was PI, I think it was Damari who put his hand on Thomas shoulder and seemed like he tried to boost himself a little just as Thomas tried to jump so it made it worse than what it was; 3. I remember the call but not the play. Broadcast didnt have a great replay of that one but yes it was odd as the player they called wasnt really near the play.

 

[AlexCane]

Agreed. that is why I am saying those could be a bit of an outlier. Take out the questionable calls and we are back in the 60 yard range which I think will be about our median.

For 1. on the broadcast you could hear a whistle but most of the AM players did not stop, it was a weird series of events. I blame the refs as they should have been screeching on the whistle and running in to stop the play. They did not, Francisco def did not hear it and went full boat; 2. it was a little touchy especially considering they were letting the DB/WR battle a good bit. I dont mind PI not being called as long as it is consistent. But I do think it was PI, I think it was Damari who put his hand on Thomas shoulder and seemed like he tried to boost himself a little just as Thomas tried to jump so it made it worse than what it was; 3. I remember the call but not the play. Broadcast didnt have a great replay of that one but yes it was odd as the player they called wasnt really near the play.

Thanks for your explanation of those calls. The stadium showed a single replay of the PI play and did not show either 1 or 3. And the replay on the PI was so bang-bang that I couldn't make out a thing.

As to 3, I'm a little hazy now on what the play was. I can't recall if it was a scramble or a quick pass to the flat, but my recollection was that the call was made while the ball carrier was running. The idea that a defensive player would hold an offensive player while trying to make a tackle was strange. Everyone was convinced that it was going to be offensive holding based on what transpired. I thought ref had screwed up when he announced defensive and not offensive holding but they marched forward not backward! I assume now a db held a wr and the flag just came late? Not sure how else to explain that one.

 

[JHallCanes]

Agreed. that is why I am saying those could be a bit of an outlier. Take out the questionable calls and we are back in the 60 yard range which I think will be about our median.

For 1. on the broadcast you could hear a whistle but most of the AM players did not stop, it was a weird series of events. I blame the refs as they should have been screeching on the whistle and running in to stop the play. They did not, Francisco def did not hear it and went full boat; 2. it was a little touchy especially considering they were letting the DB/WR battle a good bit. I dont mind PI not being called as long as it is consistent. But I do think it was PI, I think it was Damari who put his hand on Thomas shoulder and seemed like he tried to boost himself a little just as Thomas tried to jump so it made it worse than what it was; 3. I remember the call but not the play. Broadcast didnt have a great replay of that one but yes it was odd as the player they called wasnt really near the play.

I realize it biased because it went against us but the personal foul call was absolute garbage

We don’t want to put the refs in positions where they have to use opinions. Rules are meant to be cut and dry but that’s not how it works

It was obviously confusion and defense is taught when in doubt make the play. What if it was actually offsides and everyone stops playing and A&M takes a free play shot down the field?

They should have picked up the flag and just had a talk with everyone because it was obviously unintentional

 

[Cookie917]

I realize it biased because it went against us but the personal foul call was absolute garbage

We don’t want to put the refs in positions where they have to use opinions. Rules are meant to be cut and dry but that’s not how it works

It was obviously confusion and defense is taught when in doubt make the play. What if it was actually offsides and everyone stops playing and A&M takes a free play shot down the field?

They should have picked up the flag and just had a talk with everyone because it was obviously unintentional

Correct, and the QB crying like a baby when Francisco did let up seemingly at the very end and didnt drive him into the ground or something dumb.

Thanks for your explanation of those calls. The stadium showed a single replay of the PI play and did not show either 1 or 3. And the replay on the PI was so bang-bang that I couldn't make out a thing.

As to 3, I'm a little hazy now on what the play was. I can't recall if it was a scramble or a quick pass to the flat, but my recollection was that the call was made while the ball carrier was running. The idea that a defensive player would hold an offensive player while trying to make a tackle was strange. Everyone was convinced that it was going to be offensive holding based on what transpired. I thought ref had screwed up when he announced defensive and not offensive holding but they marched forward not backward! I assume now a db held a wr and the flag just came late? Not sure how else to explain that one.

It was odd on the broadcast, I just went back to the condensed game, it happened on the Weigman run/scramble where he got 13 yards then they added 10 on top. The flag came from the near side official and the number announced was 20-something. I think everyone on the broadcast assumed offensive holding, even after the defensive call was made the ref turned off his mic and checked something and I though he screwed up. It was with roughly 3:30 left in the 2Q.

Edit again, it was Cloyd, #23. It was originally a pass play, the slot he was covering broke out and he grabbed the jersey, flag came in immediately just as Weigman started to scramble and they tacked it on at the end.

 

[Cane44]

Agreed. that is why I am saying those could be a bit of an outlier. Take out the questionable calls and we are back in the 60 yard range which I think will be about our median.

For 1. on the broadcast you could hear a whistle but most of the AM players did not stop, it was a weird series of events. I blame the refs as they should have been screeching on the whistle and running in to stop the play. They did not, Francisco def did not hear it and went full boat; 2. it was a little touchy especially considering they were letting the DB/WR battle a good bit. I dont mind PI not being called as long as it is consistent. But I do think it was PI, I think it was Damari who put his hand on Thomas shoulder and seemed like he tried to boost himself a little just as Thomas tried to jump so it made it worse than what it was; 3. I remember the call but not the play. Broadcast didnt have a great replay of that one but yes it was odd as the player they called wasnt really near the play.

The QB late hit call was total horse **** and the refs were the ones to blame... The ref behind the QB "usually" comes running in blowing the whistle and waving his hands to protect the QB, and at least on TV, I didn't see that at all... the OL vs. DL even played it out for a couple seconds because they couldn't hear the whistle either...

 

[k9cane]

I was not really informed but is Skinner in the dog house or hurt? Would love to see him more involved like last year.

my view is that he might be a square peg to a round hole in terms of what Cristobal wants in a TE. But I always thought he would be a move/flex TE that could create mismatches. I dont recall him getting a single snap on Saturday...

 

[KingB02]

Good point about the penalties

We keep pointing to the huge special teams disasters but holy **** the penalties were killing us

I expected a couple of holding calls dealing with their DEs but yeah we really had some bad ones that would be getting highlighted if we had lost

(How you come out of a timeout and have 13 guys on the field…)

I don’t mind the PI calls when it actually stops them from getting a long gain or a TD. I thought 2 of those were some smart plays

 

[JgDaCane]

Just fight for 4Q's. That's all I ask as a fan. Do that & we're gonna win football games. This is a very talented bunch.

 

[grover]

And Ray Ray still on the leash.
CJ still on the squat rack.
Arroyo eating raw beef hearts and liver recovering.

Harrel
Chase Smith
The Brothers Washington.
RPO or Wildcat with JB

The bag is still half full.

Seems like the run game was used to keep them Honest.
But there were a few runs that went for first downs and even more on key drives and key moments.

If we hadn’t fallen behind so quick with the mistakes I fell like we would’ve pounded them into submission.

Don’t think the game plan was to go full pass happy. We just needed to score points and shrink that 14 point special teams blunders.

If you look at the replay our oline still got some huge wholes on that 5 star dline even when we showed run.

yeah, hopefully we're a much better team in the second half of our schedule than the first half because of all of the above. My one concern is Mesidor being out longterm is a bigtime loss. Dude was eating vs. A2M. Bain needs to be the guy even sooner than expected.

 

[grover]

If we are going with 3 reasons, I'll play.

1. We didn't have a full game with Deen, Mesidor, Fletcher, Arroyo, Skinner, Zion, and Citizen. Likely missing a few.
2. This is only the second game played under the new(ish) schemes. Everyone will get better with more PT in the schemes.
3. This is only the second game for a large number of talented freshmen. Those same kids will get more PT in the coming weeks allowing them to get snaps during bigger games without UM seeing a massive drop-off in talent.

Those are my top 3 as well. Just hope the injury bug doesn't get us. Mesidor being out for an extended period would be a bigtime loss. Kid is the goods.

I really hope we're playing the second, third and scout teams the majority of the next 3 games. I know the first teamers love padding their numbers. But we want them healthy and ready to roll UNC and beyond.

 

[JHallCanes]

I don’t mind the PI calls when it actually stops them from getting a long gain or a TD. I thought 2 of those were some smart plays

Agreed. It’s like sometimes a hold I can deal with as well when you’re at a disadvantage

 

[kryptonite]

115 yds in penalties is not that unusual, we’ve been doing that for years. Should be very fixable, but I’ll believe we’re capable of fixing that when it happens.

 

[sstcane]

As far as the PI - I remember a 3rd down where they were draped over our receiver and hot no call. Jesse Palmer is a joke and was saying it was a good no call. If they call it on the deep pass for us that also should have been one.