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2022 SS/RHP Nazier Mule on his commitment to UM

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Y’all are missing the most important part about draftability and getting recruited. It’s about measurables and projectability.

It takes a good coach and culture to make them into a team. 97% of college coaches are taking the kid a with the higher velocity/better arm, faster bat/more power than the kids who are “winners” and fundamentally sound in high school but are mostly maxed out.
 
Number1CanesFan said:
I disagree. I learned absolutely nothing playing D-1 college baseball. Why? Because my high school coach taught me everything I know about the game. He played AAA baseball as a catcher. He tought us things about playing the game that they weren't even teaching in college. His son Jeff Clement played college ball at USC. He broke Mark McGwire's single season USC homerun record. Clement hit 75 homeruns in high school. A national record to this day. He was drafted in the 1st round (#3 overall) by Seattle and played 4 years in MLB before retiring due to injuries. He was a catcher like his dad.

So, it's not about the number of coaches. It's about getting your message to the players and then holding them accountable to how they execute what you want them to do. If we made the base running blunders we've seen with this team, you'd be sitting on the bench the next inning no matter what. Do what we teach you or sit. My high school team was a machine. We were very disciplined in every detail. You had to wear your hat a certain way. We sprinted on and off the field. If one person was jogging, the coach made us run back to the field and sprint in again. We did this in game and in practice. Our practices only lasted not much more than an hour during the season because nobody walked and stations were set up that everyone rotated every few minutes. That's the way my coach ran his program. I'm not saying that's how every program needs to be run. You have to be an effective communicator and hold kids accountable. Then you have predictable success.
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Different point and I totally agree on accountability. Personally, I would have benched Toral and Zamora several times over the past two seasons.

But, I didn't say hire crappy assistants/technicians - why can't we implement both our points? It's how Bama and Clemson operate in football as best I can tell. I wish we poured more resources into baseball and basketball where you get more bang for your buck; don't see us ever contending for NC in football again in my lifetime unless something drastically changes within the BOT and administration. However, you can go farther in baseball and basketball IMO by making it a higher priority and w a more comprehensive approach.
 
NC_Canes_11 said:
Y’all are missing the most important part about draftability and getting recruited. It’s about measurables and projectability.

It takes a good coach and culture to make them into a team. 97% of college coaches are taking the kid a with the higher velocity/better arm, faster bat/more power than the kids who are “winners” and fundamentally sound in high school but are mostly maxed out.
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No one is missing that. We know why coaches take the players they take. But taking the higher velocity and better bat speed hasn’t produced results, so why do we keep making the same mistakes?

it’s the same in football. We can laugh at teams that take “winners” while watching south Florida prima donna athletes lose to teams like UNC and Virginia for the last 20 years.
 
NC_Canes_11 said:
Y’all are missing the most important part about draftability and getting recruited. It’s about measurables and projectability.

It takes a good coach and culture to make them into a team. 97% of college coaches are taking the kid a with the higher velocity/better arm, faster bat/more power than the kids who are “winners” and fundamentally sound in high school but are mostly maxed out.
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Gotta mix those kids in here too...

that’s any sport... you’ve got to have players who WANT to do the dirty work. Grind. Hustle. Bleed for the team. Yeah the superstars will bring the championships... but those players win regular and usually playoff games... not to mention they fit through the long stretch of seasons where some kids put it in cruise control
 
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BP Joe said:
Different point and I totally agree on accountability. Personally, I would have benched Toral and Zamora several times over the past two seasons.

But, I didn't say hire crappy assistants/technicians - why can't we implement both our points? It's how Bama and Clemson operate in football as best I can tell. I wish we poured more resources into baseball and basketball where you get more bang for your buck; don't see us ever contending for NC in football again in my lifetime unless something drastddically changes within the BOT and administration. However, you can go farther in baseball and basketball IMO by making it a higher priority and w a more comprehensive approach.
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There are more strict rules in college baseball. Limited scholarships and limited coaching. Adding more coaches would be nice, but it's a pipe dream with the NCAA. There are only 2 paid assistants on the coaching staff. Adding a 3rd paid assistant was voted down in 2019.
 
AquinasStatGuy said:
Just to focus on this question...the debate is whether or not raw south Florida talent is capable of beating lesser talent that has a stronger baseball acumen. Take Virginia Tech for example. They have a bunch of guys from Virginia, Maryland, Pennsylvania. They don't finish in the top 40 of anyone's recruiting rankings. But they come in and take a series from us and our top ranked talent. That happens way too often and is why we missed the tournament for two years. We find a way to lose to Pitt, Maine, Rutgers, Dartmouth, etc.
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See, this kind of stuff just proves that you just have a theory that's in search of proof.

We had won 11 in a row against Virginia Tech. Yet we lose a series because guys from Brooksville, FL and Newton, MA blow a late lead on Sunday and somehow that means that South Florida players aren't smart enough.

We have beaten Pittsburgh 17 out of 21 times since they joined the ACC. The only time we've ever lost a series to Rutgers was in 2001 when he won the national championship.

None of your examples are meaningful in any way. Baseball teams full of "smart" players lose to teams like that all the time.
 
Outlaw Josey Wales said:
See, this kind of stuff just proves that you just have a theory that's in search of proof.

We had won 11 in a row against Virginia Tech. Yet we lose a series because guys from Brooksville, FL and Newton, MA blow a late lead on Sunday and somehow that means that South Florida players aren't smart enough.

We have beaten Pittsburgh 17 out of 21 times since they joined the ACC. The only time we've ever lost a series to Rutgers was in 2001 when he won the national championship.

None of your examples are meaningful in any way. Baseball teams full of "smart" players lose to teams like that all the time.
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I'm more of a big picture kind of guy. The hometowns of two pitchers in one game is a pretty small sample size.

We don't have to lose a series to Rutgers in order for Rutgers to be a bad loss. We also lost to Central Michigan in a pretty important game. Scoring three runs in 27 innings against Dartmouth made the RPI difference that cost the postseason. The examples go on and on. Every year.

Either we don't have the best talent in the country at our disposal, or the "talent" isn't very good at the highest level of competition, but one of them has to be true. Otherwise we would be Vanderbilt. But we're not. Clearly some people around here are okay with that. Make a regional, see what happens. But if we're going to claim "talent", then there should be results to go with it.
 
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AquinasStatGuy said:
Either we don't have the best talent in the country at our disposal, or the "talent" isn't very good at the highest level of competition, but one of them has to be true.
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The talent might not be the best but it's proven consistently that it's good enough at the highest level.

Otherwise, we wouldn't have the second most CWS appearance of all-time.
 
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Outlaw Josey Wales said:
The talent might not be the best but it's proven consistently that it's good enough at the highest level.

Otherwise, we wouldn't have the second most CWS appearance of all-time.
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92% of which came 12+ years ago. We haven't proven to consistently be good enough at the highest level in a long time.
 
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Outlaw Josey Wales said:
I don't think they necessary are better.

But it's perfectly plausible that we would lose 2 games to them every half decade or so.
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You can harp on VT, but we've had two CWS appearances in 12 years. We're clearly losing to someone early every year, despite having the "best talent pool in the country" at our disposal.
 
AquinasStatGuy said:
92% of which came 12+ years ago. We haven't proven to consistently be good enough at the highest level in a long time.
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The last time we strung together recruiting classes like the ones we have now was 2013-15 which led to back-to-back CWS appearances.

Saying that the talent we have down here is not good enough is ridiculous.

But I'll wait for all of those CWS appearances from those heavyweights full of smart northern players. Connecticut and Rutgers must be loaded.
 
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