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2014 class size limit = 29

Literally nothing in the world would make me happier than if we sign 30, just to **** on this smug *** post.
 
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We had 18 commits sign this past recruiting cycle, but two never made it into school. That's nine that you can backwards. The one unknown is graduate transfers, i.e. Gilbert and Renfrow. I've been told that they would not count but I'm not able to validate that. The third is Mustafa. There are conflicting reports whether he is in school or not and whether he was offered a football scholarship. So the worst case scenario is that we are only able to count six and best case scenario is nine. This equates to either 31 or up to 34 commits for the 2014 class....
 
What about Mustafa who left before he ever got started. There are a few that may not get in due to grades and Gray is a name that I know for sure that's struggling with hi academics.
 
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Okay folks here is how it works the NCAA allows a class of 28 scholarship per year based on roster room. Now conferences can elect to reduce that number for their members as the SEC has done, the have capped the class size at 25 scholarships per year. Now if you don't use all of those scholarship openings they carryover to the next recruiting year. If you bring in a transfer they use that spot. Now if the you have players graduating in Dec/mid year then that players roster spot can be added to the previous years recruiting class thus adding 1 back.

UM had alot of transfers both in and out late in the summer, plus a few players that early enrolled from the 2013 class were added back to 2012. And we had a few no commits in the 2013 class. So UM should be able to bring in 33 kids this year.

Here is a ESPN article outlining what I just said.
http://m.espn.go.com/ncf/story?storyId=6623466&src=desktop

Here is another article outlining how Georgia was able to sign 35 players.
http://blogs.ajc.com/recruiting/2012/12/23/how-can-uga-sign-30-35-recruits-under-the-secs-new-over-signing-rules/
 
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cane248 said:
What about Mustafa who left before he ever got started. There are a few that may not get in due to grades and Gray is a name that I know for sure that's struggling with hi academics.
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Mustafaa still gets counted as a scholly marker because he attended classes.
 
Geez do we have to have this issue come up every other day? WHO CARES what the numbers are? They are what they are. ONLY the staff really knows. There are a bunch of ways to get around things. EE players may not count against next years numbers, some can be used against last years class. You have some players who have graduated and will leave school like the transfers. We will also have attrition, but no one knows how much. Also, NOT every current commit is going to qualify. Its already been pretty well stated that Gray is a LONGshot to qualify and will probably have to go to prep school. We are also probably going to lose a few commits. There has been talk for a while that McCray may not stick, and Mayes I have read may not be in this class.

The bottom line is, people need to STOP obsessing over the "numbers". The staff KNOWS what they can and cant do. There are things they can do to play with the numbers, especially with some kids coming in as EE. Just sit back, relax, hope for the best, expect the worst, try not to let this sh*t drive you crazy, there is MORE than enough in recruiting to make you crazy, the LAST thing fans should be obsessing over is the "numbers". The staff knows what they can and cant get in, if we are after kids, then there is still room. Were not going to be offering kids or actively recruiting players if there is no way we can find a scholie for them.
 
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561Cane said:
We had 18 commits sign this past recruiting cycle, but two never made it into school. That's nine that you can backwards. The one unknown is graduate transfers, i.e. Gilbert and Renfrow. I've been told that they would not count but I'm not able to validate that. The third is Mustafa. There are conflicting reports whether he is in school or not and whether he was offered a football scholarship. So the worst case scenario is that we are only able to count six and best case scenario is nine. This equates to either 31 or up to 34 commits for the 2014 class....
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Punter O'Donnell?
 
What Diego and C4L said. It's nice to get an approximation for how big the class is, but other than that it's pointless. We're at ~29 now, and were going to add more. Not everybody that's currently committed will stick. Not every underclassmen is going to return next year. Just like every recruiting cycle/offseason.
 
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AllbouttheU said:
cane248 said:
What about Mustafa who left before he ever got started. There are a few that may not get in due to grades and Gray is a name that I know for sure that's struggling with hi academics.
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Mustafaa still gets counted as a scholly marker because he attended classes.
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Just say he was on a chess team scholarship.
Like Latwan Anderson being on a track scholly until he actually played a down.
Or Dan Morgan coming here on an academic scholly because we couldn't offer him one.

Guys, our coaches have been going against the current for the past couple of years with no paddle or engine.
We restricted recruiting sizes and taken players to be fillers because most top players didn't want to come here with the death penalty hanging over our heads.

Now that we are essentially free and clear, I'm sure there is no limit to how many players Golden will take.
If we sign 37 and then a couple of studs decide to join the party, so be it.
They will find a way.
 
dwreck27 said:
alot of posters first time following recruiting this year
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dwreck27 said:
alot of posters first time following recruiting this year
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Exactly... This is why some of these crootin' **** rookies need to step back & enjoy the process.

19 recruits in 2013 class
-3 recruits (Lockley, Griffin & Bond didn't qual)
-3 recruits who were EE's for 2012 class (Dobard, Knighton & Odogwu)
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13 2013 recruits, so technically we can bring in 12 EE's in this class
 
Paranos said:
Okay folks here is how it works the NCAA allows a class of 28 scholarship per year based on roster room. Now conferences can elect to reduce that number for their members as the SEC has done, the have capped the class size at 25 scholarships per year.
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Why can't this board comprehend. Now the board is can't follow the 25per rule that has been in place for decades.

Go to the NCAA rules, not out dated ESPN garbage. This is not a hard subject.

The NCAA limit is 25 enrollments per year. A few years back there was NO limit on the number of NLIs that could be signed BUT you still could only enroll 25, however, with the over signing noise they put a limit on NLIs of 28 (and in fact that rule has just changed such that ALL programs can only sign 25 NLIs now, similar to the SEC).

Transfers count as enrollments. The NCAA rules specifically state that.

Late additions Tucker and Mustafaa count unless Mustafaa left BEFORE attending a class or August 30th (first game). Also, clearly spelled out in the rules, see Davis comment below.

2012 enrolled 32 kids. That max'd that class markers and 2011.

Does Vernon Davis quick exit give Miami a spot under the voluntary exit exception that means one of the 2013 enrolls, if so it's 30.

If there is some exception for 5th years, which is not spelled out in the rules, that would mean 33.

Anyone is free to say the staff will find a way, but don't be surprised if it's 29 enrollments. If it's more, that'll settle the 5th year debate.

But for the love of God, can we please learn the absolute rules (25 per, treatment of January enrollments, transfer rules) so number conversations can be intelligent here. The NCAA rules are online, invest the time.
 
You all are leaving out greyshirtting them.
 
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Over-signing.
Grey-shirting.
They aren't words that are regularly used outside of recruiting. Most people have no idea what they actually mean.
The two go hand in hand, and are quickly becoming a very important aspect of college football recruiting.
Here are a couple quick definitions:
Over-signing: The practice of signing more than the NCAA allotted 25 recruits in a particular class.
Grey-shirting: A player that commits to a team and then pays his own way through school for a semester to preserve his eligibility.
With each passing year, more and more teams over-sign prospects. The reason for over-signing varies from team to team, but the fact remains that it is becoming more common place.
In 2006, 33 teams signed more than their allotment of 25 prospects. In 2007, the number of teams that over-signed jumped to 39. In 2008, 30 teams over-signed. Even before National Signing Day, 14 teams have more than 25 commits, and the number will only grow over the next two weeks.
If you aren't familiar with over-signing now, you will be over the next several years.
Over-signing:
Football teams are only permitted to enroll 25 scholarship athletes per calendar year and can only have 85 scholarship players on their team at any given time. This doesn't stop teams from signing more than their allotment of players.
Teams over-sign for a variety of reasons. Some players will not qualify academically and will never step foot onto campus. Some coaches were not able to sign 25 prospects the year before and are trying to make up for it. Other schools are trying to add depth to their teams in years where there is a large number of quality recruits.
Regardless of reason, here is how oversigning works:

  1. A team must sign less than its allotment of 25 scholarship players the year before.
  2. Extra players must enroll in December, prior to National Signing Day, and be on campus for the Spring semester.
or

  1. Any team that exceeds the maximum 25 scholarships, must have additional players grey shirt.
Over-signing allows teams to build depth. It also allows schools to prepare for potential academic casualties. It is a practice that has been around, particularly in Southern schools, for years. It will not be going away any time soon.
These additional players do indirectly affect a team's recruiting class ranking. While not all players are counted toward the ranking, the weaker prospects are hidden by the stronger ones. This can give an inaccurate representation of the overall quality of a class.
Even teams that are not oversigned encourage players to enroll early if their are scholarships available.
Not only does it give those players the opportunity to get a head start on the system, conditioning, college experience, but any player that enrolls in December will not count towards a teams 25 annual scholarships. Technically, scholarships for early entries belong to the previous year's class.
This allows teams to get a maximum on how many players they can over-sign the next year.
Grey-shirting:
While most people are familiar with the phrase "red-shirt" most people have no idea what a grey-shirt is. In fact, the NCAA does not even acknowledge the term. In a way, grey-shirting is like the U.S. Army's Delta Force—everyone knows it's their, but the governing body doesn't acknowledge it's existance.
Here is how grey-shirting works:

  1. A player commits to a team that is over-signed.
  2. That player either doesn't go to school in the fall, or enrolls part-time and pays their own way. They are not officially on the team.
  3. In January of the following year, that player enrolls full-time and officially joins the team. They are technically part of the recruiting class for the following year.
Grey-shirting is a way for schools to skate around the recruiting rules. It allows schools to over-sign, regardless of how many prospects they signed the previous year.
Every player has a five year window to play four seasons. That window starts the second a player is enrolled in college full-time or are on scholarship. Since the player is not enrolled full time and is not on scholarship, their "NCAA clock" has not started.
Once they join a team, they still have the full five year window and the ability to red-shirt if they so choose.
While grey-shirting, players are not on the team.
They can not practice or condition with the team. They can not be given any advantage not extended to the normal student body. Grey-shirts are not allowed at team meetings or functions either. For all intents they are essentially, regular students.
Conclusion:
These are important things to consider as far as a team's future is concerned. Large classes can sway the rankings, but they may be able to create additional, unplanned depth. When looking at your favorite team's recruiting class ranking, it is important to factor these things in.
 
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This is a stupid thread because AL know what he is doing. He wouldn't be recruiting so many players right now if their was only one or two spots left. He probably know a few players won't be in this class that are still committed. Examples Turner or gray (grades). Trust Golden, he will make the numbers work.
 
but, but, but folks on the board know more than a guy getting paid millions of dollars to do the job??? and we here making fractions of that... The travesty.
 
At the end of the day al and company are not gonna let a guy like cook, lane etc..

not have a scholarship if they want in... theirs ways to weasel around it
 
@CCity here is a quote straight from the NCAA site. Next time do your **** research before running your mouth!
http://www.ncaa.org/wps/wcm/connect/public/Test/Issues/Recruiting/


Division I Football Bowl Subdivision teams are allowed 85 student-athletes on full scholarships and Football Championship Subdivision teams are allowed 63 scholarship equivalencies, which means the numbers of prospective football student-athletes being recruited annually far exceeds any other sport.*The competition for talent can be intense.

Recruiting rules can be complicated. Rules closely govern factors such as when (and how many) official visits can occur, which personnel can recruit off-campus, and how (and when) coaches may communicate with potential recruits.*

Division I recently addressed a concern involving the practice of oversigning. Programs were signing many more than the 25 prospective student-athletes they are allowed to carry on scholarships for the entering class.*The oversigning was done in anticipation that some of the recruits would not qualify academically or would drop out for another other reason.*Because the rules limit the number of student-athletes on scholarship, current or prospective student-athletes could find their scholarships were no longer available.

In January, the Division I Legislative Council approved legislation for Football Bowl Subdivision programs to specify an annual limit of 28 on the number of prospective student-athletes who may sign a National Letter of Intent or an institutional offer of financial aid from the initial signing date of the regular signing period of the National Letter of Intent through May 31. The legislation encourages institutional personnel to discuss academic and admission qualifications of each prospective student-athlete (rather than simply athletics ability) before sending the prospective student-athlete a National Letter of Intent or a written offer of financial aid. The legislation also reduces the number of signed prospective student-athletes signed who are unlikely to meet NCAA academic-eligibility requirements.
 
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