Upon Further Review: LSU

Upon Further Review: LSU

Lance Roffers
Lance Roffers

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Goes without saying but these are awesome @HurricaneVision.

This OL isn't equipped to even handle an average front 4. Wasn't Logan supposed to transfer here? That's not their strength and still overpowered us on every play. Do we seriously have 1 good player on this OL? Gauthier was supposed to be good and got whooped on every play. Donaldson looks lost and isn't quick enough for tackle. Mahoney should not be on this team let alone starting, and someone may want to get this breakdown to the coaches because if they are saying he was the best OL that is scary.
 
This breakdown is great news to me and makes me more optimistic that it isn’t so much about scheme and playcalling (it wasn’t as boneheaded as I thought) as it is a lack of execution of the play calling. Execution is still an issue that coaching is partly responsible for. The offense may still be vanilla but this breakdown shows that if executed properly, it could still be very effective.

Along with Willis, Thomas, and Jaquan, I thought that Garvin performed very well for a sophomore facing that huge oline. His effort was felt by LSU in the run and passing game. I think #99 Jackson played too stiff and attempted to bull rush his man way too much. He needs to mix up the rush moves. Bandy would have made a huge difference.

I just hope that our coaches breakdown the film this way and hopefully even much better. Many of these plays were set up pretty well if two or three people do their jobs better. I think Deejay and Homer need the ball more, especially Deejay—he has the it factor and I believe he’s Top 10 best players on this team period.

While this breakdown does spread the blame around more than I previously thought, it still does not exonerate Rosier’s bad play—poor vision, inaccuracy, no command of audibles, not going thru progressions, not looking down field while scrambling and staring down receivers.

The fact that all of these same plays are about to look fantastic against our next several opponents makes me feel like LSU’s defense and offense were partly responsible for our lack of execution. They really did challenge us at the point of attack and that thru our timing and execution way off.

This reality check will help us goin into ACC play. There’s tons of footage to build off of and expose any dude that was feeling himself and talking about leaving early and what not. Savannah St. is about to get str8 murdered because of this.
 
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This is why I think the criticism of play calling on both sides of the ball is over blown. Plays are there to be made, players have to make them.
 
thanks as always for this breakdown @Lance Roffers.

the best part of these posts is usually o-line talk since it's so hard to see in the moment. the images here just show their very violent line beating the crap out of ours, basically. on our side, we don't know what happened to joe jackson's arm but you have to wonder if he's 100%.

offensively from a coaching standpoint, it felt like there just wasn't enough easy yards schemed into the gameplan/offense. during the VT and ND games last year kirk herbstreit praised dugans in primetime for how well our WRs block, but we basically saw zero swing passes to whoever was in the slot, even though it's been demonstrated on several occasions (app st 2016, GT 2017) that we run that play consistently very well, ripping off 7-8+ yards on early downs. another one: there were no schemed passes to brevin jordan in the game... nothing that rolled malik out and got him a very easy pass to brevin in space. will mallory was in the slot for a decent number of plays -- the "njoku role" as richt called it himself -- but didn't get a single little swing pass to get in space. this kind of stuff is very basic and not at all genius offensive design, but it just seems like in big games richt for some reason goes away from these plays and as such the offense never seems to be able to find a rhythm. (and because of this we don't move with tempo, and because of that our snap is getting jumped since the play clock is running down under 5 seconds almost every time and on and on.)

malik missed easy passes as Lance outlined but even given that, the degree of difficulty in the passing game is still too high. maybe richt just trusts our WRs isolating on DBs down the field when we see super athletic fast defenses like clemson and LSU that shred our line -- this isn't crazy to me given that this is often how teams beat bama... jeff thomas and hightower mossed their CBs much like mike williams mossed bama DBs when clemson won the title. those are the kinds of plays that your WRs need to make to win big games. but i still would like to see much more horizontal stretching via the passing game... right now it feels like we're running horizontally but very rarely stretching the defense sideline to sideline via the pass and forcing solo tackles on players we believe to be good in space. malik has been playing flat out terribly but i do think richt could help him even more.
 
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defensively, sadly, the game turned on two bad plays by back ups (the long run blown by jennings/knowles and dean giving up the near touchdown down the sideline). both of those were in the first half and i get why the staff was opting for the more experienced players at that point in the game. they couldn't have expected breakdowns that big (i don't think). to their credit they didn't wait too long to correct that mistake -- dean was essentially benched for ivey, and i don't remember seeing jennings or knowles out there very much after that. even on offense hightower and mallory saw a lot of the field in the second half. i would expect this trend to only continue as the season goes on and hopefully that means good things.
 
CIS keeps attacking every coach except the one that's not done anything thus far at Miami. Stacey Searles has yet to show any promise as a viable OL coach.
 
On the long TD run, Smith was the other LBer who got cut.

Correct. This on is on Manny. Key play and we have Jennings and Smith at LB and Knowles as the sole deep safety. Bad look. Terrible result.
 
Imagine if we saw Clemson this year. Jesus their front is much better than LSU
 
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This is why I don't think the play calling was the problem. Oline got ******* picked apart all game, and who could have guessed Hayden Mahoney would get overpowered half the time? Also maybe it's a good idea to put Gaynor in at center a little bit. Gauthier got bullied a lot last year too. But he's gotta call protections, so maybe leave him in.

Of course Rosier is trash.

Defensively honestly I don't think the problem was Diaz - from the play calling perspective. Like seriously the LBs just didn't ******* come to play. The only impact they made was blown tackles that the safeties had to clean up. Seriously they were ***. The Dline was pretty good for the most part, especially Willis. Jaquan and Redwine were very good. And Dean ****ed up a bit, but he wasn't horrible either. Just stop putting the backups in so ******* long. Thats honestly my only gripe defensively really. A few guys ****ed up their responsibilites and thats why LSU's offense got going a bit. It wasn't the placalling much.
What grade are you in. Sound like some punk on the street using "****" 5 times.
 
The entire complexion of the game would have changed if we make 2 plays and that still leaves so many plays on the field and missed assignments. I'll even give a pass on the 50 yard run and let it happen.

The 2 plays that could have completely shifted the game:
1) We make the tackle on 4th down behind the LOS, Willis hit him and missed. They went on to basically put the game out of reach. Would have been a huge momentum shifting big play with field position on their side of the field. Chance to get back onto their defense that just got off the field, they would have been gassed. Multiple big time defenders came out banged up the previous offensive drive. Could have been right back in the game.
2) Instead of throwing the true freshman kicker out there to kick another long field goal (everyone knew we were pressing our luck starting off 2-2 with 2 40+ yarders from a true freshman) - go for it on 4th and short (I think it was 4th and 3.) At least give it a look. Instead, they get the ball back quickly and we have to throw our D right back out there.

Those 2 considered, we still had too many drive killing penalties, gave them way too much on more stupid penalties from our defense (late hit on the QB and running into the kicker), dropped a game changing interception, and missed wide open target after wide open target. That LSU secondary is overrated. Their front 7 was legit, but we had them burnt all day but no one to hit them.
 
All in all a great write up for a really crappy game. Officiating was bad but the OLine was worse. In general not seeing a good season.
 
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Lets just call it what it is..we are lucky to be playing in the ACC where the OL/DL we face won't be as good as if we were in the Big 12 or SEC. Enough of the beating around the bush. Bethel, Mahoney, Jones, Gauthier, are not "playoff level" players and while they will shine in the ACC when we go up against a real team in the ACC title game (Clemson) and in the BCS bowl game they will look like they did against LSU.

Out of the 9 "trench" guys we started in that game against a premier opponent, only 3 played like they belonged (Willis, Garvin, JoeJax), 2 played just well enough to not totally embarrass themselves (St Louis and Donaldson) and 4 (Jones, Mahoney, Gauthier, Bethel) will not hold out AT ALL when we play Clemson and our bowl opponent (more then likely an SEC team again). That's what this writeup told me.

Or LBers are getting worse and I don't know why. It aint talent. Has to be coaching.

I will STFU about the Bandy/Dean argument. Bandy might be the 3rd most important player on our D behind Willis and Jaquan! He went out and everything scheme wise went to ****. We couldn't run our D because Dean is a liability! Again, why not scour the waiver wire to find a CB if you knew Dean wasn't cutting it?

Smh. I don't know whether to be ****ed or happy that we have a $hitty schedule this year so a lot of these issues will be masked for at least the next 10 games. When we play Clemson we will be brought back to earth yet again.
 
On the long TD run, Smith was the other LBer who got cut.

You're right. My apologies to Shaq. Have to really question playing those backup LB's in this game but I do not know if any of the LB's asked out etc.
 
Great analysis. I couldn't see all the OL failures on TV as I was usually focusing on Rosier.

It's really true that even most of Malik's completions limit the offense. On the very first drive, you see it immediately with Thomas and Cager.
 
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I hate ref blaming, but sometimes I wish you’d point out the bad calls in your recap. Ex in that player where the LT blocked 4 and 99, he was bear hugging 4. 99 should still have made the play but if the flag comes out, that’s 3 instead of 7. Same thing on the long run the next drive. The CB gets held helping the play break for 20+ instead of being wiped out. That **** matters especially considering the ticky tack **** that cost us bandy and the b2b penalties on the punt.
 
Great writeup, thanks for all the hard work. Like Jassid mentioned above, we just aren't where we need to be on the DL an OL. I thought Willis was the only legit player on either line. Joe Jackson and Bethel were terrible, maybe due to the injury, Garvin showed flashes. The OL is a complete joke, there isn't one legit BCS level player in the whole bunch. Donaldson is the biggest disappointment to me.
 
This is why I think the criticism of play calling on both sides of the ball is over blown. Plays are there to be made, players have to make them.
I said this yesterday, but just once more before I move on. In a vacuum, the playcaling is fine - yes, guys are running open. But if you have a QB that can’t execute, you need to change up the whole strategy/scheme.

Remember a few years ago, the Patriots had their like 4th string RB rush for like 300 yards and 4 TDs, then got dropped a few weeks later. That was Bellichek studying his opponent, coming up with a winning game plan, and using the personnel available to him to execute it.

What good are guys running open downfield if we have a guy that can’t get them the ball? So it’s not the playcalling, per se; it’s the fact that he isn’t changing the scheme to suit the personnel.

That’s how I feel, anyway.
 
Lets just call it what it is..we are lucky to be playing in the ACC where the OL/DL we face won't be as good as if we were in the Big 12 or SEC. Enough of the beating around the bush. Bethel, Mahoney, Jones, Gauthier, are not "playoff level" players and while they will shine in the ACC when we go up against a real team in the ACC title game (Clemson) and in the BCS bowl game they will look like they did against LSU.

Out of the 9 "trench" guys we started in that game against a premier opponent, only 3 played like they belonged (Willis, Garvin, JoeJax), 2 played just well enough to not totally embarrass themselves (St Louis and Donaldson) and 4 (Jones, Mahoney, Gauthier, Bethel) will not hold out AT ALL when we play Clemson and our bowl opponent (more then likely an SEC team again). That's what this writeup told me.

Or LBers are getting worse and I don't know why. It aint talent. Has to be coaching.

I will STFU about the Bandy/Dean argument. Bandy might be the 3rd most important player on our D behind Willis and Jaquan! He went out and everything scheme wise went to ****. We couldn't run our D because Dean is a liability! Again, why not scour the waiver wire to find a CB if you knew Dean wasn't cutting it?

Smh. I don't know whether to be ****ed or happy that we have a $hitty schedule this year so a lot of these issues will be masked for at least the next 10 games. When we play Clemson we will be brought back to earth yet again.
I agree on the coaching of the LBs. It seems that the WLB is told to choose a gap and attack it, and whenever the MLB Shaq doesn’t just choose a gap to attack and instead tries to make a read, an olinemen runs free right into his chest and he is in a wrestling match to disengage and make a tackle. I guess the LB lack of improvement has a lot to do with a feast or famine (high risk high reward) scheme, a lack of consistent DT talent and push, and the offense’s low 3rd down conversion rate.
 
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