Gatorhater said:

MedleyCane said:

Jedi Master Cane said:

This serves as a reminder that just because they signed Richt...we shouldn't all begin to act like we STILL don't have the worst ****ing administration in the country.

I'm not even kidding. I've sat in on more board meetings for various large organizations than I can remember over the years and I'd be willing to bet every dollar I have to my name that the ****ing morons calling the shots at the University of Miami are easily the most clueless bunch of decision makers that have ever been assembled to make decisions within an NCAA program.

They hired a new coach...but what Frenk REALLY needs to do is clean house everywhere else within the program. The root of problem that has dragged this program down for the last 10-15 years is still there and just waiting for another opportunity to **** this up for us again.

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So where did the administraton mess up in this situation?
Please elaborate.

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Let's look at a little history. Pell Grant scandal was caused by a drug ridden salaried member of the administration, not a coach. Since some football players got grants, it became a NCAA thing. Other students got them also but nobody cared. The entire thing was more the fault of the administration than sports. But the administration is part of the NCAA so it did not get punished -- that is not how the system works.

Next comes the little midget deal. The administration got much more money than all the players combined. Who got punished? Randy told everyone that the dude was bad news and to stay away from him. AD, an administrator, berates him for not playing the game. Donna had photo op taking illegal money. Players, suspensions and repayment; Randy, fired and has to sue for his buy out; Donna allowed to retire with full benefits for a cushy new job at, where else, The Clinton Family Slush fund.

The administration does not merely mishandle these matters in way that are major college athletics malpractice, but has actually been, at the very least, at the center of two of the biggest scandals in NCAA history. Maybe they handled this one to perfection but their history demands they be considered guilty until proven otherwise -- there really is no reason to doubt it. The excuse that THEY are still under probation is funny. Kind of like a con out on probation running over a cop because he would have his probation violated if he got caught speeding.

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bshaw28 said:

The Franchise said:

bshaw28 said:

Torocane said:

bshaw28 said:

I feel really bad for AQM and Grace. Yes the car thing is dumb, but like Pete said it usually would be a couple game suspension.

These are 2 guys that committed to Miami when we had "the cloud", and no one knew what the fallout from the NCAA investigation was going to be, and came anyways. They could have gone anywhere, but they came here.

It feels like AQM/Grace stood by Miami when it was a tough time for the school, but the school didn't stand by AQM/Grace when things got tough for them.

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More reason why they should not have done this!
They knew what the school just went thorough.
They could have done anything else! Like another poster said they could have even stolen the cars.
The one thing they should know not to do is accept benifits.

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It's not even close to the same thing as stealing the cars. They didn't steal anything, get a DUI, hit a girl, etc. They didn't break any laws.

Yes it was dumb, but NFL caliber kids make this mistake all the time.

At Georgia - Gurley took $3k for autographs and got 4 games. AJ Green sold his jersey for $1k to an agent and got 4 games.

When the Shapiro suspensions were handed out, 8 Miami players got between 1 and 6 game suspensions.

I don't feel what AQM & Grace did was any worse, so I feel bad their missing their entire Senior years.

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Since you're so clear on this you must know the exact amount of the impermissible benefits Grace received. Please share that so we can compare it to other cases.

Also please educate the rest of us on why the mandatory loss of eligibility associated with the NCAA bylaw on lying during investigations doesn't apply here.

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I have no idea on the amounts and details, or what Grace & AQM said the the NCAA, or what the exact NCAA rules are.

I know that the reported values of Green = $1k/4 games, Vernon = $1,200/6 games, Gurley = $3k/4 games - seems inconsistent. This ruling also seems inconsistent, overly harsh, and I feel bad for both of them.

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bshaw28 said:

The Franchise said:

bshaw28 said:

Torocane said:

bshaw28 said:

I feel really bad for AQM and Grace. Yes the car thing is dumb, but like Pete said it usually would be a couple game suspension.

These are 2 guys that committed to Miami when we had "the cloud", and no one knew what the fallout from the NCAA investigation was going to be, and came anyways. They could have gone anywhere, but they came here.

It feels like AQM/Grace stood by Miami when it was a tough time for the school, but the school didn't stand by AQM/Grace when things got tough for them.

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More reason why they should not have done this!
They knew what the school just went thorough.
They could have done anything else! Like another poster said they could have even stolen the cars.
The one thing they should know not to do is accept benifits.

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It's not even close to the same thing as stealing the cars. They didn't steal anything, get a DUI, hit a girl, etc. They didn't break any laws.

Yes it was dumb, but NFL caliber kids make this mistake all the time.

At Georgia - Gurley took $3k for autographs and got 4 games. AJ Green sold his jersey for $1k to an agent and got 4 games.

When the Shapiro suspensions were handed out, 8 Miami players got between 1 and 6 game suspensions.

I don't feel what AQM & Grace did was any worse, so I feel bad their missing their entire Senior years.

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Since you're so clear on this you must know the exact amount of the impermissible benefits Grace received. Please share that so we can compare it to other cases.

Also please educate the rest of us on why the mandatory loss of eligibility associated with the NCAA bylaw on lying during investigations doesn't apply here.

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I have no idea on the amounts and details, or what Grace & AQM said the the NCAA, or what the exact NCAA rules are.

I know that the reported values of Green = $1k/4 games, Vernon = $1,200/6 games, Gurley = $3k/4 games - seems inconsistent. This ruling also seems inconsistent, overly harsh, and I feel bad for both of them.

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Torocane said:

bshaw28 said:

The Franchise said:

bshaw28 said:

Torocane said:

More reason why they should not have done this!
They knew what the school just went thorough.
They could have done anything else! Like another poster said they could have even stolen the cars.
The one thing they should know not to do is accept benifits.

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It's not even close to the same thing as stealing the cars. They didn't steal anything, get a DUI, hit a girl, etc. They didn't break any laws.

Yes it was dumb, but NFL caliber kids make this mistake all the time.

At Georgia - Gurley took $3k for autographs and got 4 games. AJ Green sold his jersey for $1k to an agent and got 4 games.

When the Shapiro suspensions were handed out, 8 Miami players got between 1 and 6 game suspensions.

I don't feel what AQM & Grace did was any worse, so I feel bad their missing their entire Senior years.

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Since you're so clear on this you must know the exact amount of the impermissible benefits Grace received. Please share that so we can compare it to other cases.

Also please educate the rest of us on why the mandatory loss of eligibility associated with the NCAA bylaw on lying during investigations doesn't apply here.

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I have no idea on the amounts and details, or what Grace & AQM said the the NCAA, or what the exact NCAA rules are.

I know that the reported values of Green = $1k/4 games, Vernon = $1,200/6 games, Gurley = $3k/4 games - seems inconsistent. This ruling also seems inconsistent, overly harsh, and I feel bad for both of them.

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So just to be clear you say you have no idea on the details or facts yet you feel the ruling is inconsistent and harsh.

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bshaw28 said:

Torocane said:

bshaw28 said:

The Franchise said:

bshaw28 said:

It's not even close to the same thing as stealing the cars. They didn't steal anything, get a DUI, hit a girl, etc. They didn't break any laws.

Yes it was dumb, but NFL caliber kids make this mistake all the time.

At Georgia - Gurley took $3k for autographs and got 4 games. AJ Green sold his jersey for $1k to an agent and got 4 games.

When the Shapiro suspensions were handed out, 8 Miami players got between 1 and 6 game suspensions.

I don't feel what AQM & Grace did was any worse, so I feel bad their missing their entire Senior years.

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Since you're so clear on this you must know the exact amount of the impermissible benefits Grace received. Please share that so we can compare it to other cases.

Also please educate the rest of us on why the mandatory loss of eligibility associated with the NCAA bylaw on lying during investigations doesn't apply here.

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I have no idea on the amounts and details, or what Grace & AQM said the the NCAA, or what the exact NCAA rules are.

I know that the reported values of Green = $1k/4 games, Vernon = $1,200/6 games, Gurley = $3k/4 games - seems inconsistent. This ruling also seems inconsistent, overly harsh, and I feel bad for both of them.

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So just to be clear you say you have no idea on the details or facts yet you feel the ruling is inconsistent and harsh.

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Correct - I don't know any more on the exact details and facts than you or anyone else on this board does.

Correct - From the amount that is known, and comparing it to past NCAA rulings, it seems inconsistent and harsh.

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Mahoney-Pearson said:

Gatorhater said:

MedleyCane said:

Jedi Master Cane said:

This serves as a reminder that just because they signed Richt...we shouldn't all begin to act like we STILL don't have the worst ****ing administration in the country.

I'm not even kidding. I've sat in on more board meetings for various large organizations than I can remember over the years and I'd be willing to bet every dollar I have to my name that the ****ing morons calling the shots at the University of Miami are easily the most clueless bunch of decision makers that have ever been assembled to make decisions within an NCAA program.

They hired a new coach...but what Frenk REALLY needs to do is clean house everywhere else within the program. The root of problem that has dragged this program down for the last 10-15 years is still there and just waiting for another opportunity to **** this up for us again.

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So where did the administraton mess up in this situation?
Please elaborate.

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Let's look at a little history. Pell Grant scandal was caused by a drug ridden salaried member of the administration, not a coach. Since some football players got grants, it became a NCAA thing. Other students got them also but nobody cared. The entire thing was more the fault of the administration than sports. But the administration is part of the NCAA so it did not get punished -- that is not how the system works.

Next comes the little midget deal. The administration got much more money than all the players combined. Who got punished? Randy told everyone that the dude was bad news and to stay away from him. AD, an administrator, berates him for not playing the game. Donna had photo op taking illegal money. Players, suspensions and repayment; Randy, fired and has to sue for his buy out; Donna allowed to retire with full benefits for a cushy new job at, where else, The Clinton Family Slush fund.

The administration does not merely mishandle these matters in way that are major college athletics malpractice, but has actually been, at the very least, at the center of two of the biggest scandals in NCAA history. Maybe they handled this one to perfection but their history demands they be considered guilty until proven otherwise -- there really is no reason to doubt it. The excuse that THEY are still under probation is funny. Kind of like a con out on probation running over a cop because he would have his probation violated if he got caught speeding.

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:q3XKXeX: pure bunk.

1. "a drug ridden salaried member of the administration"? Who exactly are you speaking of and what was his title? I'm certain he does not constitute anyone "calling the shots at the University of Miami".

2. And Nevin conned a lot of people. Yes, Randy had his suspicions but you try to link Donna to the situation as if she knew dude and personally reprimanded Randy. By now that picture has been well chronicled; Shapiro ran up on the scene unannounced with a check that was returned and commitment he never followed though on.

This is the same Donna Shalala who above all supported Randy to have the HC job in the first place. So you confuse yourself with these limp-wristed aspersions about administrative malpractice. You clearly have no significant ties to the U and adopt this rather typical 2 dimensional narrative adopted by similarly informed fans.

Blame the BOT. They make real decisions and call "shots at the University of Miami". Most people outside the U don't understand that, and those 2 weak examples don't constitute administrative maleficence.

Come again.

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bshaw28 said:

Torocane said:

bshaw28 said:

The Franchise said:

bshaw28 said:

It's not even close to the same thing as stealing the cars. They didn't steal anything, get a DUI, hit a girl, etc. They didn't break any laws.

Yes it was dumb, but NFL caliber kids make this mistake all the time.

At Georgia - Gurley took $3k for autographs and got 4 games. AJ Green sold his jersey for $1k to an agent and got 4 games.

When the Shapiro suspensions were handed out, 8 Miami players got between 1 and 6 game suspensions.

I don't feel what AQM & Grace did was any worse, so I feel bad their missing their entire Senior years.

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Since you're so clear on this you must know the exact amount of the impermissible benefits Grace received. Please share that so we can compare it to other cases.

Also please educate the rest of us on why the mandatory loss of eligibility associated with the NCAA bylaw on lying during investigations doesn't apply here.

Click to expand...

I have no idea on the amounts and details, or what Grace & AQM said the the NCAA, or what the exact NCAA rules are.

I know that the reported values of Green = $1k/4 games, Vernon = $1,200/6 games, Gurley = $3k/4 games - seems inconsistent. This ruling also seems inconsistent, overly harsh, and I feel bad for both of them.

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So just to be clear you say you have no idea on the details or facts yet you feel the ruling is inconsistent and harsh.

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Correct - I don't know any more on the exact details and facts than you or anyone else on this board does.

Correct - From the amount that is known, and comparing it to past NCAA rulings, it seems inconsistent and harsh.

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kryptonite said:

Bennubird said:

252cane said:

Bennubird said:

Thanks Peter.

Seeing as it happened, my only wish is that the decision could have been made much sooner rather than later. I love what Grace brings to the table and feel he'll certainly be missed, but we'll adjust the what we do to compensate. Love for AQM around here is based more on his potential than anything he's done on the field. Love Stacy Coley, but to my thinking he's had one big game and that was last season against FSU. He's our most experienced receiver, but I think our young receivers are just as talented though though admittedly not as experienced. In any case, I'm glad it looks like he'll survive this mess virtually unscathed.

Before closing, this was pretty darn selfish on the part of those players involved. We still have not finished our last punishment and are starting anew with a new coach and staff. Very disappointing.

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Coley had more recieving yards vs conference opponents than any other wr in the acc last year. He didnt just have a good game vs fsu. The dude was one of the top wr in the acc in the 2nd half of the season.

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I stand by what I said. Stacy finished 12th in receiving yards in the ACC behind our own Rashawn Scott who was 11th. He eclipsed 100 yards against VA and FSU. Going for plus 100 yards against FSU was a big deal, not so much against UVA. His next highest total of 87 yards was against Duke. He had a total of 4 tds. Again, I love Stacy, but personally I feel like everyone has been waiting for Stacy to be a dominate player that is a consistent threat to make big plays and then makes those plays, but it has not happened to this point in his career. I'm hoping this year he'll play to his enormous potential for the full season. To be fair to Stacy, his OC last year left a lot to be desired.

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Huh. You seem to forget the part where coley(coach) stopped throwing the ball to coley(player) if he was more than 6 yards downfield. Seriously, how many yards is the guy going to get when all he gets are bubble screens thrown his way?

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252cane said:

Bennubird said:

252cane said:

Bennubird said:

Thanks Peter.

Seeing as it happened, my only wish is that the decision could have been made much sooner rather than later. I love what Grace brings to the table and feel he'll certainly be missed, but we'll adjust the what we do to compensate. Love for AQM around here is based more on his potential than anything he's done on the field. Love Stacy Coley, but to my thinking he's had one big game and that was last season against FSU. He's our most experienced receiver, but I think our young receivers are just as talented though though admittedly not as experienced. In any case, I'm glad it looks like he'll survive this mess virtually unscathed.

Before closing, this was pretty darn selfish on the part of those players involved. We still have not finished our last punishment and are starting anew with a new coach and staff. Very disappointing.

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Coley had more recieving yards vs conference opponents than any other wr in the acc last year. He didnt just have a good game vs fsu. The dude was one of the top wr in the acc in the 2nd half of the season.

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I stand by what I said. Stacy finished 12th in receiving yards in the ACC behind our own Rashawn Scott who was 11th. He eclipsed 100 yards against VA and FSU. Going for plus 100 yards against FSU was a big deal, not so much against UVA. His next highest total of 87 yards was against Duke. He had a total of 4 tds. Again, I love Stacy, but personally I feel like everyone has been waiting for Stacy to be a dominate player that is a consistent threat to make big plays and then makes those plays, but it has not happened to this point in his career. I'm hoping this year he'll play to his enormous potential for the full season. To be fair to Stacy, his OC last year left a lot to be desired.

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You can stand by what you said but it doesnt make it right. Remember coley didnt even play much the 1st half of the season because a hamstring injury. He basically got all his yards in the 2nd half of the season.

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Gatorhater said:

Mahoney-Pearson said:

Gatorhater said:

MedleyCane said:

Jedi Master Cane said:

This serves as a reminder that just because they signed Richt...we shouldn't all begin to act like we STILL don't have the worst ****ing administration in the country.

I'm not even kidding. I've sat in on more board meetings for various large organizations than I can remember over the years and I'd be willing to bet every dollar I have to my name that the ****ing morons calling the shots at the University of Miami are easily the most clueless bunch of decision makers that have ever been assembled to make decisions within an NCAA program.

They hired a new coach...but what Frenk REALLY needs to do is clean house everywhere else within the program. The root of problem that has dragged this program down for the last 10-15 years is still there and just waiting for another opportunity to **** this up for us again.

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So where did the administraton mess up in this situation?
Please elaborate.

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Let's look at a little history. Pell Grant scandal was caused by a drug ridden salaried member of the administration, not a coach. Since some football players got grants, it became a NCAA thing. Other students got them also but nobody cared. The entire thing was more the fault of the administration than sports. But the administration is part of the NCAA so it did not get punished -- that is not how the system works.

Next comes the little midget deal. The administration got much more money than all the players combined. Who got punished? Randy told everyone that the dude was bad news and to stay away from him. AD, an administrator, berates him for not playing the game. Donna had photo op taking illegal money. Players, suspensions and repayment; Randy, fired and has to sue for his buy out; Donna allowed to retire with full benefits for a cushy new job at, where else, The Clinton Family Slush fund.

The administration does not merely mishandle these matters in way that are major college athletics malpractice, but has actually been, at the very least, at the center of two of the biggest scandals in NCAA history. Maybe they handled this one to perfection but their history demands they be considered guilty until proven otherwise -- there really is no reason to doubt it. The excuse that THEY are still under probation is funny. Kind of like a con out on probation running over a cop because he would have his probation violated if he got caught speeding.

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:q3XKXeX: pure bunk.

1. "a drug ridden salaried member of the administration"? Who exactly are you speaking of and what was his title? I'm certain he does not constitute anyone "calling the shots at the University of Miami".

2. And Nevin conned a lot of people. Yes, Randy had his suspicions but you try to link Donna to the situation as if she knew dude and personally reprimanded Randy. By now that picture has been well chronicled; Shapiro ran up on the scene unannounced with a check that was returned and commitment he never followed though on.

This is the same Donna Shalala who above all supported Randy to have the HC job in the first place. So you confuse yourself with these limp-wristed aspersions about administrative malpractice. You clearly have no significant ties to the U and adopt this rather typical 2 dimensional narrative adopted by similarly informed fans.

Blame the BOT. They make real decisions and call "shots at the University of Miami". Most people outside the U don't understand that, and those 2 weak examples don't constitute administrative maleficence.

Come again.

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Pell Grant - Tony Russell -- Sorry, I forget not everyone is old enough to remember the 90's.

I specifically said the AD berated Randy -- read closer, please.

You are right that Donna supported Randy as HC -- something he sucked at. It was his judgement of a dishonest crook she tossed because she wanted the crook's money. In medical terms, she did a fine job of removing a tooth from a patient with lung cancer while blowing smoke in his face. You can spin the check picture anyway you like but it remains the most damaging document of the entire scandal.

Actually, I sat in OB for the Flop(if you do not know what that is get off the board), am an alum who drank many beers with Dean Lewis in the Law Room of the old Rat, and was writing 5 and 6 digit checks to The U when Howard was our coach. You sound a little like someone who SPENDS donors' money rather than giving it. How about it, you draw salary from The U?

BOT is to blame, you got that right. They hired Foote and Donna. And they allow an incompetent administration to maintain and replicate itself for decades on end.

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Bennubird said:

kryptonite said:

Bennubird said:

252cane said:

Bennubird said:

Thanks Peter.

Seeing as it happened, my only wish is that the decision could have been made much sooner rather than later. I love what Grace brings to the table and feel he'll certainly be missed, but we'll adjust the what we do to compensate. Love for AQM around here is based more on his potential than anything he's done on the field. Love Stacy Coley, but to my thinking he's had one big game and that was last season against FSU. He's our most experienced receiver, but I think our young receivers are just as talented though though admittedly not as experienced. In any case, I'm glad it looks like he'll survive this mess virtually unscathed.

Before closing, this was pretty darn selfish on the part of those players involved. We still have not finished our last punishment and are starting anew with a new coach and staff. Very disappointing.

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Coley had more recieving yards vs conference opponents than any other wr in the acc last year. He didnt just have a good game vs fsu. The dude was one of the top wr in the acc in the 2nd half of the season.

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I stand by what I said. Stacy finished 12th in receiving yards in the ACC behind our own Rashawn Scott who was 11th. He eclipsed 100 yards against VA and FSU. Going for plus 100 yards against FSU was a big deal, not so much against UVA. His next highest total of 87 yards was against Duke. He had a total of 4 tds. Again, I love Stacy, but personally I feel like everyone has been waiting for Stacy to be a dominate player that is a consistent threat to make big plays and then makes those plays, but it has not happened to this point in his career. I'm hoping this year he'll play to his enormous potential for the full season. To be fair to Stacy, his OC last year left a lot to be desired.

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Huh. You seem to forget the part where coley(coach) stopped throwing the ball to coley(player) if he was more than 6 yards downfield. Seriously, how many yards is the guy going to get when all he gets are bubble screens thrown his way?

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No. I didn't seem to forget the part about his OC as I mentioned it in my post. Thanks for your comment.

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KevinCaneFace said:

Richt said this morning that Miami was looking into the rental car thing before he even got here. So this wasn't going on for just a couple months.

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ajkreider said:

A) The delay was likely an attempt to keep them on the team. A quick decision would only have ended in dismissal.
B) In this case and for the sake of the program, you err on the side of caution. There are plenty of people out there who want to see the UM program go away altogether.

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Mahoney-Pearson said:

Gatorhater said:

MedleyCane said:

Jedi Master Cane said:

This serves as a reminder that just because they signed Richt...we shouldn't all begin to act like we STILL don't have the worst ****ing administration in the country.

I'm not even kidding. I've sat in on more board meetings for various large organizations than I can remember over the years and I'd be willing to bet every dollar I have to my name that the ****ing morons calling the shots at the University of Miami are easily the most clueless bunch of decision makers that have ever been assembled to make decisions within an NCAA program.

They hired a new coach...but what Frenk REALLY needs to do is clean house everywhere else within the program. The root of problem that has dragged this program down for the last 10-15 years is still there and just waiting for another opportunity to **** this up for us again.

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So where did the administraton mess up in this situation?
Please elaborate.

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Let's look at a little history. Pell Grant scandal was caused by a drug ridden salaried member of the administration, not a coach. Since some football players got grants, it became a NCAA thing. Other students got them also but nobody cared. The entire thing was more the fault of the administration than sports. But the administration is part of the NCAA so it did not get punished -- that is not how the system works.

Next comes the little midget deal. The administration got much more money than all the players combined. Who got punished? Randy told everyone that the dude was bad news and to stay away from him. AD, an administrator, berates him for not playing the game. Donna had photo op taking illegal money. Players, suspensions and repayment; Randy, fired and has to sue for his buy out; Donna allowed to retire with full benefits for a cushy new job at, where else, The Clinton Family Slush fund.

The administration does not merely mishandle these matters in way that are major college athletics malpractice, but has actually been, at the very least, at the center of two of the biggest scandals in NCAA history. Maybe they handled this one to perfection but their history demands they be considered guilty until proven otherwise -- there really is no reason to doubt it. The excuse that THEY are still under probation is funny. Kind of like a con out on probation running over a cop because he would have his probation violated if he got caught speeding.

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:q3XKXeX: pure bunk.

1. "a drug ridden salaried member of the administration"? Who exactly are you speaking of and what was his title? I'm certain he does not constitute anyone "calling the shots at the University of Miami".

2. And Nevin conned a lot of people. Yes, Randy had his suspicions but you try to link Donna to the situation as if she knew dude and personally reprimanded Randy. By now that picture has been well chronicled; Shapiro ran up on the scene unannounced with a check that was returned and commitment he never followed though on.

This is the same Donna Shalala who above all supported Randy to have the HC job in the first place. So you confuse yourself with these limp-wristed aspersions about administrative malpractice. You clearly have no significant ties to the U and adopt this rather typical 2 dimensional narrative adopted by similarly informed fans.

Blame the BOT. They make real decisions and call "shots at the University of Miami". Most people outside the U don't understand that, and those 2 weak examples don't constitute administrative maleficence.

Come again.

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The Franchise said:

bshaw28 said:

The Franchise said:

bshaw28 said:

Torocane said:

More reason why they should not have done this!
They knew what the school just went thorough.
They could have done anything else! Like another poster said they could have even stolen the cars.
The one thing they should know not to do is accept benifits.

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It's not even close to the same thing as stealing the cars. They didn't steal anything, get a DUI, hit a girl, etc. They didn't break any laws.

Yes it was dumb, but NFL caliber kids make this mistake all the time.

At Georgia - Gurley took $3k for autographs and got 4 games. AJ Green sold his jersey for $1k to an agent and got 4 games.

When the Shapiro suspensions were handed out, 8 Miami players got between 1 and 6 game suspensions.

I don't feel what AQM & Grace did was any worse, so I feel bad their missing their entire Senior years.

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Since you're so clear on this you must know the exact amount of the impermissible benefits Grace received. Please share that so we can compare it to other cases.

Also please educate the rest of us on why the mandatory loss of eligibility associated with the NCAA bylaw on lying during investigations doesn't apply here.

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I have no idea on the amounts and details, or what Grace & AQM said the the NCAA, or what the exact NCAA rules are.

I know that the reported values of Green = $1k/4 games, Vernon = $1,200/6 games, Gurley = $3k/4 games - seems inconsistent. This ruling also seems inconsistent, overly harsh, and I feel bad for both of them.

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I feel badly for them too because they're dumb kids who got tempted by stuff that would tempt most young people. I'm not judging them because I was an idiot at that age too.

I don't see why the ruling here is inconsistent, though, when you don't know any of the facts. When brooklyndee first broke this story he mentioned these guys were rolling in these cars for extended periods of time. At $600 per day that **** adds up quickly. You could be talking about tens of thousands in impermissible benefits. Add in the lying, which is an automatic 1 year loss of eligibility, and you can see why UM did what they did.

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kryptonite said:

Bennubird said:

kryptonite said:

Bennubird said:

252cane said:

Coley had more recieving yards vs conference opponents than any other wr in the acc last year. He didnt just have a good game vs fsu. The dude was one of the top wr in the acc in the 2nd half of the season.

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I stand by what I said. Stacy finished 12th in receiving yards in the ACC behind our own Rashawn Scott who was 11th. He eclipsed 100 yards against VA and FSU. Going for plus 100 yards against FSU was a big deal, not so much against UVA. His next highest total of 87 yards was against Duke. He had a total of 4 tds. Again, I love Stacy, but personally I feel like everyone has been waiting for Stacy to be a dominate player that is a consistent threat to make big plays and then makes those plays, but it has not happened to this point in his career. I'm hoping this year he'll play to his enormous potential for the full season. To be fair to Stacy, his OC last year left a lot to be desired.

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Huh. You seem to forget the part where coley(coach) stopped throwing the ball to coley(player) if he was more than 6 yards downfield. Seriously, how many yards is the guy going to get when all he gets are bubble screens thrown his way?

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No. I didn't seem to forget the part about his OC as I mentioned it in my post. Thanks for your comment.

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So you did. What I should have said was that you seem to undervalue how much the OC determined what the WR was able to accomplish.

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Ethnicsands said:

ajkreider said:

A) The delay was likely an attempt to keep them on the team. A quick decision would only have ended in dismissal.
B) In this case and for the sake of the program, you err on the side of caution. There are plenty of people out there who want to see the UM program go away altogether.

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A quick dismissal would have been better for the kids. Just another example of UM not considering its student athletes' interests.

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