The Blueprint

The Blueprint

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As Andrew stated, it takes the ability to evaluate......otherwise with this philosophy misapplied you end up with the South Florida QB tandem of Winky Flowers and Treon Harris as quarterbacks, not defensive backs, instead of Kaaya and Rosier as a quick example of we don't need to leave South Florida in 2015 for any position on the field.

Kaaya is the type of player you go out of state for. I've been driving his bandwagon since the very beginning: https://www.canesinsight.com/thread/brad-kaaya/51911?highlight=newyorkcane+kaaya

Rosier, in my opinion, is an example of leaving the state when there are better local options. Winky Flowers can do everything Rosier can do at quarterback and is a better athlete. I would have preferred to pair Kaaya with Flowers and then tried to move Flowers to safety once Kaaya beat him out.

LMAO if you think Winky Flowers was going to come to Miami and be a backup and then move to safety. The reason I said that recruiting has changed from 20 years ago is these recruits are willing to go anywhere as long as they will play. ex. (USF, UCF, TOLEDO). 20 years ago USF wasn't getting all these players from South Florida.
 
As Andrew stated, it takes the ability to evaluate......otherwise with this philosophy misapplied you end up with the South Florida QB tandem of Winky Flowers and Treon Harris as quarterbacks, not defensive backs, instead of Kaaya and Rosier as a quick example of we don't need to leave South Florida in 2015 for any position on the field.

Kaaya is the type of player you go out of state for. I've been driving his bandwagon since the very beginning: https://www.canesinsight.com/thread/brad-kaaya/51911?highlight=newyorkcane+kaaya

Rosier, in my opinion, is an example of leaving the state when there are better local options. Winky Flowers can do everything Rosier can do at quarterback and is a better athlete. I would have preferred to pair Kaaya with Flowers and then tried to move Flowers to safety once Kaaya beat him out.

I am well aware of the Kaaya fan club you run. I do not disagree with you on Rosier, however, I don't think we can ignore some of the **** that was going on at the time of recruiting in the locale and the concern that promising a local player an opportunity and then moving him would have continued the poisonous atmosphere for Golden as much as not offering him at his preferred position.......trying to be honest vs lying for a coach that no one trusted for various reasons.
 
LMAO if you think Winky Flowers was going to come to Miami and be a backup and then move to safety.

He would've come to Miami to compete for the starting job. If he gets beat out, you approach him with the move to safety. If he makes the move, you have a great prospect. If he transfers, oh well. Backup QBs transfer all the time. Rosier could very well transfer if he gets beat out by Shirreffs.

Njoku was a NJ high jump champion (to your point on athleticism), but there was never a clear indicator as to who would be more successful at the college level. One could even argue that Gordinier was seen as the better pure football player.
That's why I focused on physical traits. If you leave the state, get a guy with unique physical traits that can't be replicated by a local player.
 
But D, the difference is. There is MAJOR local push back when that happens. When a local gets beat out, its never pretty when your surrounded by those people. Its a lot easier at Alabama, or even FSU or UF. They are not in the hear of sofla. We get blasted by local and local coaches when one of theirs gets beat out. Justified or not. There was now way anyone but Jacory was starting here as long as he was on the roster. That to me is what is the difficulty in taking local projects is. Especially if the kid is a "legend" in these parts. I can guarantee you if Gus was playing well, there would have been some local coaches wondering why Joe wasn't getting touches. Its just the nature of the best being where the school is. Its greatest strength is also its greatest weakness. IMO.
 
But D, the difference is. There is MAJOR local push back when that happens. When a local gets beat out, its never pretty when your surrounded by those people.

Ryan Williams was a local kid and nobody was calling for him to start once he healed up. I doubt too many people would've been thinking about Flowers after Kaaya threw for 3,198 yards and 26 TDs.

All you have to do is give the guy a fair shot. I don't think you should lie to a kid and switch him on Day 2 of camp. Give him a chance to compete and let the competition play out. This goes back to my post from last weekend about Marshall Faulk. If a great athlete is dead-set on playing a certain position, give him the chance to prove you wrong.
 
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I hear you. RW is a different story, he was a transfer etc. I am talking about the likes of Winky, Treon, or Torrance Gibson. If we treated that kid the way Urban did there would be meltdown in the local area. Didn't Urbie basically move him in spring practice? Its what everyone but the kid knows is the right move, but if it was not handled PERFECTLY there is would be way more negativity than it would be worth IMO.
 
Not many "hidden gems" in this day & age of recruiting. Butch was able to find them 25 years ago.

More than half of the first rounders this year were three stars or below. They are there if you can find them.

There are only about 200 4 stars recruited every year while there are about 800 3 stars ,so your odds are still better to get a quality player with a 4 star kid.
 
Not many "hidden gems" in this day & age of recruiting. Butch was able to find them 25 years ago.

More than half of the first rounders this year were three stars or below. They are there if you can find them.

There are only about 200 4 stars recruited every year while there are about 800 3 stars ,so your odds are still better to get a quality player with a 4 star kid.

Correct. The odds are better with four or five star kids. I am disputing the idea that there are no more hidden gems in the modern era of recruiting. There are a ton of them. It just takes skillful evaluation.
 
Cortez Kennedy, Jerome Brown, Russell Maryland, Rusty Medearis, Darren Krein, Allen Bailey, Pat Riley, Don Latimer, Eddie Edwards, Rubin Carter, Jim Burt, Daniel Stubbs, Damione Lewis, Jamal Green, Andrew Williams, etc.....

And those are just some DL from outside of south Florida off the top of my head....

80% of the roster should be from south Florida. You save the other 20% for the elite players in other states. Half of Miami's best players ever hailed from states not named Florida. It's a long list which is why we shouldn't bd so closed minded in thinking we can sign 25 guys from south Florida every and expect to win a championship. We have to add to the south Florida recruit base with elite talent from elsewhere. It's a proven method that has worked in the past.

Not from South Florid:
Raw Lewis
Warren Sapp
Clinton Portis
Ed Reed
Reggie Wayne
Jeremy Shockey
Kellen Winslow
Dan Morgan
Jessie Armstead
DJ Williams
Colin McCarthy etc.. etc.. There are a number of UM Greats not from South Florida.

What's more - our most successful teams in the past 25 years were made up of a roster that was made up roughly 50% of sofla kids. Not necessarily a causation but I found it to be an interesting correlation.
 
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Cortez Kennedy, Jerome Brown, Russell Maryland, Rusty Medearis, Darren Krein, Allen Bailey, Pat Riley, Don Latimer, Eddie Edwards, Rubin Carter, Jim Burt, Daniel Stubbs, Damione Lewis, Jamal Green, Andrew Williams, etc.....

And those are just some DL from outside of south Florida off the top of my head....

80% of the roster should be from south Florida. You save the other 20% for the elite players in other states. Half of Miami's best players ever hailed from states not named Florida. It's a long list which is why we shouldn't bd so closed minded in thinking we can sign 25 guys from south Florida every and expect to win a championship. We have to add to the south Florida recruit base with elite talent from elsewhere. It's a proven method that has worked in the past.

Not from South Florid:
Raw Lewis
Warren Sapp
Clinton Portis
Ed Reed
Reggie Wayne
Jeremy Shockey
Kellen Winslow
Dan Morgan
Jessie Armstead
DJ Williams
Colin McCarthy etc.. etc.. There are a number of UM Greats not from South Florida.

What's more - our most successful teams in the past 25 years were made up of a roster that was made up roughly 50% of sofla kids. Not necessarily a causation but I found it to be an interesting correlation.

Exactly, when Miami was at its best we recruited well nationally and we HAVE to get back to that. Great football is played in other states. But make no mistake Florida should comprise at least 3/4 of our roster
 
D, have you heard anything lately on Newbold? I haven't heard or seen much. Id like to add him to the class if we aren't getting Phillips.

Nope, but I saw he had another tiptoe back of the endzone TD in the All-Star game. Very talented receiver.

Ya I saw that too. Lol that's actually what reminded me about him. Been so quiet around his recruitment.

He's committed to Southern Illinois.
 
70-80% of the roster should be from FL...not south Florida IMO.
 
70-80% of the roster should be from FL...not south Florida IMO.

We've never had that high with winning teams. That's UF/FSU territory which have been historically more state based (recruiting) than Miami.
 
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D, have you heard anything lately on Newbold? I haven't heard or seen much. Id like to add him to the class if we aren't getting Phillips.

Nope, but I saw he had another tiptoe back of the endzone TD in the All-Star game. Very talented receiver.

Ya I saw that too. Lol that's actually what reminded me about him. Been so quiet around his recruitment.

He's committed to Southern Illinois.

Lol what?!? Foreal? Where you hear that?
 
Those of us who followed recruiting twenty years ago were able to see Butch Davis at his best. Butch had many different tricks, but he stuck to one core philosophy: Recruit the traits you can’t coach.

This usually broke down into three parts:

Frame- Colleges spend millions of dollars to develop the bodies of their athletes. But they can’t change their natural body structure. Butch targeted guys with specific physical characteristics: height, broad shoulders, big hands, long arms and big butts. The rest could be filled in later.

When I was a high school sophomore, I attended Jon Vilma’s first practice as a Cane. He was a two-star recruit with some local buzz. A veteran football guy pointed to Vilma and said, “Look at that guy’s butt. He’s going to be a hitter.” I thought it was a pretty g@y comment. But two years later when Vilma blew up that kid in the Rose Bowl, it made sense. Bubba Franks is another undervalued prospect that grew into his frame. Clive Walford and David Njoku are two recent examples.

Athleticism and Twitch- I use “athleticism” to mean coordination and ease of motion. Butch made it a point to target natural athletes who played multiple sports. It didn’t matter if it was basketball, volleyball or javelin throwing. The best example is Ed Reed. He was not an overtrained meathead. He was a pure athlete.

“Twitch,” on the other hand, refers to sudden movement and acceleration. Football is a game of inches and milliseconds. Twitch can be the difference between a tackle for loss and a touchdown. When a star skill player loses his twitch, his career is over. Twitch is particularly important on defense, where sudden movements can disrupt carefully choreographed offensive plays. Jon Beason is a guy who had OK speed but outstanding twitch.

Butch didn't worry about technique or football knowledge. That's what coaches are for. He wanted twitchy athletes.

Aggression- Golden used to say, “toughness is an acquired skill.” Personally, I would rather just recruit a team of killers.

John Thompson at Georgetown had the better quote on this point. He said, “I can calm down a fool. But I can’t wake up a corpse.” Guys are either aggressive or they aren’t. That should be evident on tape. Clinton Portis was never considered a “character guy,” but his toughness set the tone for a legendary RB corps.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yynUfTKHCUg

That’s the Butch philosophy for individual player evaluation. But what about the big-picture approach to building Miami into a champion? In my opinion, it can be broken down into three parts:

Keep the stars home- This one is obvious. Guys like Teddy Bridgewater and Dalvin Cook are program changers. You can’t get all of them, but you need to get most of them.

Build your roster in South Florida- There has been one major change in recruiting since Butch left to Cleveland: South Florida now produces players at every position. Since 2012, a South Florida QB has ranked top 5 nationally in passer rating every year. Three South Florida tight ends were drafted last year. Four South Florida offensive linemen started this year as rookies. It's not just receivers and corners anymore.

After Louisville destroyed us in 2013, a frustrated Miami staffer said, “Their starters should be our second unit.” Recruits like James Burgess are low-hanging fruit. When the coaches were scrambling to find able-bodied linebackers this year, it would have been nice to plug in Burgess or Skai Moore. Artie Burns goes pro? Replace him with Quincy Wilson. Taylor Gadbois kicked out of school? Plug in freshman All-American Reggie Bain. No team that plays in South Florida should ever have depth issues.

Not only do these kids bring their talent, they also bring a competitive edge that has been sharpened since Pop Warner. That’s the reason South Florida kids tend to excel in the pressure cooker of the NFL. When your backups bring that kind of hunger and confidence, it elevates the more gifted players.

Only leave the state for first rounders- To quote Will Ferrell, “they can’t all be first rounders.” But when you spend the time to go out of state, you should be targeting elite physical traits. Go to New Jersey for a freak like David Njoku. Don’t go to New Jersey for Jamie Gordinier.

This goes hand in hand with the previous point. When you expose freakish out-of-state studs to fearless local players, it brings out the best in both. Jeremy Shockey and Kellen Winslow II became psychos on Greentree.

Mark Richt and Al Golden had very different press conferences, but there was one quote they both said verbatim: “You can win big here when you do it right.” The blueprint has been developed and proven over the last 35 years. It works. I just hope that Richt can do it right.


Solid write up and good presentation.
 
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Not many "hidden gems" in this day & age of recruiting. Butch was able to find them 25 years ago.

More than half of the first rounders this year were three stars or below. They are there if you can find them.

There are only about 200 4 stars recruited every year while there are about 800 3 stars ,so your odds are still better to get a quality player with a 4 star kid.

Correct. The odds are better with four or five star kids. I am disputing the idea that there are no more hidden gems in the modern era of recruiting. There are a ton of them. It just takes skillful evaluation.

There are hidden gems, but there's 120+ teams looking for them. Even if you're the best talent evaluator, you'll be lucky to get 2-3 hidden gems every year and for everyone of them, you'll probably get even more busts even if you're good at it.

Your write up is cute and somewhat accurate besides the south florida part, but it's utopia to think this is THE blueprint to win championships... No matter the number of hidden gems you find, if your roster aint full of 5/4 stars, you aint winning any crystall ball!
 
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As Andrew stated, it takes the ability to evaluate......otherwise with this philosophy misapplied you end up with the South Florida QB tandem of Winky Flowers and Treon Harris as quarterbacks, not defensive backs, instead of Kaaya and Rosier as a quick example of we don't need to leave South Florida in 2015 for any position on the field.

Kaaya is the type of player you go out of state for. I've been driving his bandwagon since the very beginning: https://www.canesinsight.com/thread/brad-kaaya/51911?highlight=newyorkcane+kaaya

Rosier, in my opinion, is an example of leaving the state when there are better local options. Winky Flowers can do everything Rosier can do at quarterback and is a better athlete. I would have preferred to pair Kaaya with Flowers and then tried to move Flowers to safety once Kaaya beat him out.

LMAO if you think Winky Flowers was going to come to Miami and be a backup and then move to safety. The reason I said that recruiting has changed from 20 years ago is these recruits are willing to go anywhere as long as they will play. ex. (USF, UCF, TOLEDO). 20 years ago USF wasn't getting all these players from South Florida.

Exactly!! That is what I disagree with the most. Money makes it seem like these hungry competitive guys from south Florida are going to want to be backups and then try and switch. I guarantee we would have fans complaining about the amount of transfers.
 
There are hidden gems, but there's 120+ teams looking for them. Even if you're the best talent evaluator, you'll be lucky to get 2-3 hidden gems every year and for everyone of them, you'll probably get even more busts even if you're good at it.

1) The difference between Miami and those 120+ teams looking for "hidden gems" is that Miami is in the middle of the gem mine. And they should have the best information on where to look.

2) Of course you need the star talent. That was Bullet Point #1 . You need to keep the star players home. But that is only part of the process. We should be getting the Dalvin Cooks and the Skai Moores.
 
Exactly!! That is what I disagree with the most. Money makes it seem like these hungry competitive guys from south Florida are going to want to be backups and then try and switch. I guarantee we would have fans complaining about the amount of transfers.

See post #63 . You don't recruit them to be backups. You recruit them to compete for the starting job.

Your backups should want to be starters. What is the alternative? Recruiting coal shovelers that want to be backups because you're afraid of transfers?
 
But I just think it's funny how people think players from South Florida have some mysterious, supernatural power that somehow makes them better at football than from other parts of the country.

It is not a "mysterious, supernatural power." It's the same thing you read about in Outliers. Miami teams have dominated Pop Warner for years. They start playing high-level football at the age of 5 or 6. They simply have more quality reps at high pressure.

That's the only way to explain stats like this:

Hometowns with most NFL players

  • Miami 31
  • Fort Lauderdale 20
  • Atlanta 16
  • Houston 14
  • New Orleans 13
 
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