bdb58 said:

I'm an FSU fan that's been lurking on this board for a while. My position is that I don't want to lose the rivalry. The fans of both teams banter back and forth over rosters, recruits, coaches, etc. That's what this rivalry is about 364 days of the year. With game day being the only day when it's really settled on the field. If Miami gets hit hard we lose all of it.

What I do hope is that Miami takes the fight to the NCAA. They've held a university in limbo for how long. Only to find out that they have no control over themselves. At some point someone is going to break rules to get theirs and to heck with anyone else having to pay for it. It can't be caught every time no matter how diligent the university may be. Maybe the NCAA will learn this, but I doubt it. Messing things up as bad as they can seems to be their goal.

I'm not sure if there is any current rules that do this, but if the NCAA truly wants to try to fix this they need to expand on their "partnership" with the NFL. The NFL gives them a place to go to escape punishment. Reggie Bush had to give up his trophy but he's still playing and making millions. Punish them there. Give compensation to the NFL team that loses the player if need be, but don't let the player just shrug his shoulders and laugh it off because he knows he can't be touched. There's no incentive not to do it. Same with agents, handlers and whoever else is involved.

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Miami's not going to get hit "that" hard anyway. Appreciate your concern, but we'll be ok. I don't mean that as a ****. We've eaten **** for a long enough time now. Luckily, FSU and UF failed to capitalize. It's time for our opportunity.

I may be late to the party, but I saw that Dodd from CBS Sports said something along the line that the best thing for the NCAA to do is to just drop the Miami case.

Roscoe26 said:

I may be late to the party, but I saw that Dodd from CBS Sports said something along the line that the best thing for the NCAA to do is to just drop the Miami case.

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I've read that in multiple pieces already today. And from guys with no prior pro-UM noise.

Wow,bringing in somebody from the feds to investigate the investigators. Is this real life?

The NCAA investigative staff is full of kids fresh out of law school full of p1ss and vinegar with no f@cking idea how to conduct a proper investigation but with an arrogance that belies their ineptitude. The NCAA has too many cases going on, and they don't want to pay salaries of actual skilled investigators. So, they wind up with a bunch of incompetent kids like that ufag *****, who extorted our former players, who think they are omnipotent and omniscient.

They get a target in their sites, and they will do anything to make a case against that target including breaking every rule in the book because they're incompetent and too young to have the wisdom to do things the right way. They want to make a name for themselves and move up the ladder, but all they wind up doing is f#cking their own **** up and getting fired and embarrassing their employer.

The Franchise said:

The NCAA investigative staff is full of kids fresh out of law school full of p1ss and vinegar with no f@cking idea how to conduct a proper investigation but with an arrogance that belies their ineptitude. The NCAA has too many cases going on, and they don't want to pay salaries of actual skilled investigators. So, they wind up with a bunch of incompetent kids like that ufag *****, who extorted our former players, who think they are omnipotent and omniscient.

They get a target in their sites, and they will do anything to make a case against that target including breaking every rule in the book because they're incompetent and too young to have the wisdom to do things the right way. They want to make a name for themselves and move up the ladder, but all they wind up doing is f#cking their own **** up and getting fired and embarrassing their employer.

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If you change kids to career politicians you just summarized the federal government

Roscoe26 said:

I may be late to the party, but I saw that Dodd from CBS Sports said something along the line that the best thing for the NCAA to do is to just drop the Miami case.

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Much as I would love this, don't see it happening.

Is the NCAA under any legal obligation to reject Allen's testimony or did they just violate their own rules by obtaining it in this manner?

The Franchise said:

The NCAA investigative staff is full of kids fresh out of law school full of p1ss and vinegar with no f@cking idea how to conduct a proper investigation but with an arrogance that belies their ineptitude. The NCAA has too many cases going on, and they don't want to pay salaries of actual skilled investigators. So, they wind up with a bunch of incompetent kids like that ufag *****, who extorted our former players, who think they are omnipotent and omniscient.

They get a target in their sites, and they will do anything to make a case against that target including breaking every rule in the book because they're incompetent and too young to have the wisdom to do things the right way. They want to make a name for themselves and move up the ladder, but all they wind up doing is f#cking their own **** up and getting fired and embarrassing their employer.

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Sounds just like the BIG 4 Accounting/Consulting firms. Fresh road kill every year.

Phydeaux said:

The Franchise said:

The NCAA investigative staff is full of kids fresh out of law school full of p1ss and vinegar with no f@cking idea how to conduct a proper investigation but with an arrogance that belies their ineptitude. The NCAA has too many cases going on, and they don't want to pay salaries of actual skilled investigators. So, they wind up with a bunch of incompetent kids like that ufag *****, who extorted our former players, who think they are omnipotent and omniscient.

They get a target in their sites, and they will do anything to make a case against that target including breaking every rule in the book because they're incompetent and too young to have the wisdom to do things the right way. They want to make a name for themselves and move up the ladder, but all they wind up doing is f#cking their own **** up and getting fired and embarrassing their employer.

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If you change kids to career politicians you just summarized the federal government

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It guess it depends on the agency. The ones I have been to are just the opposite. You can't get anyone to make a decision if one's life depends on it. On the other hand, you make a killing as a consultant bc you would be there forever due to the indecision. Part of the government waste.

LuCane said:

bdb58 said:

I'm an FSU fan that's been lurking on this board for a while. My position is that I don't want to lose the rivalry. The fans of both teams banter back and forth over rosters, recruits, coaches, etc. That's what this rivalry is about 364 days of the year. With game day being the only day when it's really settled on the field. If Miami gets hit hard we lose all of it.

What I do hope is that Miami takes the fight to the NCAA. They've held a university in limbo for how long. Only to find out that they have no control over themselves. At some point someone is going to break rules to get theirs and to heck with anyone else having to pay for it. It can't be caught every time no matter how diligent the university may be. Maybe the NCAA will learn this, but I doubt it. Messing things up as bad as they can seems to be their goal.

I'm not sure if there is any current rules that do this, but if the NCAA truly wants to try to fix this they need to expand on their "partnership" with the NFL. The NFL gives them a place to go to escape punishment. Reggie Bush had to give up his trophy but he's still playing and making millions. Punish them there. Give compensation to the NFL team that loses the player if need be, but don't let the player just shrug his shoulders and laugh it off because he knows he can't be touched. There's no incentive not to do it. Same with agents, handlers and whoever else is involved.

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Miami's not going to get hit "that" hard anyway. Appreciate your concern, but we'll be ok. I don't mean that as a ****. We've eaten **** for a long enough time now. Luckily, FSU and UF failed to capitalize. It's time for our opportunity.

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losdogcane said:

http://espn.go.com/college-sports/s...caa-miami-hurricanes-investigation-says-patsy

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From this article:

Emmert released a statement Thursday lashing out at reports that the NCAA General Counsel's office approved what he called "the inappropriate use of Nevin Shapiro's attorney to obtain depositions in the Miami case."

"These reports are not true," Emmert said. "In fact, evidence shows the General Counsel's Office specifically told the enforcement staff -- on at least two occasions prior to any arrangements being made with the attorney -- that they could not use Shapiro's attorney for that purpose. As a result, the external investigation is solely focused on the behavior within and the environment of the enforcement program."

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a small update

http://miamiherald.typepad.com/sports-buzz/

### UM was made fully aware of the contents of its not-yet-delivered notice of allegations more than a week ago. And before NCAA president Mark Emmert’s bombshell Wednesday, UM and the NCAA spent several days haggling over how some violations would be characterized and how Nevin Shapiro attorney Maria Elena Perez’s deposition with Sean Allen – which will likely be tossed out – would affect the case. UM only very recently learned that Shapiro’s attorney was paid.


### One person said before the case was sidetracked, the NCAA’s allegations against UM were “worse than a slap on the wrist but not as bad as they could have been.”


### UM officials are furious by the NCAA’s conduct – “outrageous,” one said --- but also optimistic this will mitigate punishment. One official said “the integrity of the whole investigation has been tainted” and that UM is hoping Emmert will agree to settle on UM-friendly terms. But Emmert hasn't offered a settlement yet, and there's no indication if he will.


### Emmert, when I asked him if he had a problem with the NCAA telling former players that Shapiro’s claims against them would be believed if they don’t agree to interviews, said: “One of the components of this inquiry I’m conducting is to look at all the tactics and processes involved in this case.” He said he then will decide whether that ultimatum was “inappropriate.” UM hasn’t complained about it.


### Besides the Allen and Michael Huyghue depositions that will be tossed, Shapiro’s attorney tried for months to get a third person to speak under oath – former basketball booster Dave Leshner – with the hope he would implicate UM. But unlike Allen and Huyghue, Leshner refused to speak.


Read more here: http://miamiherald.typepad.com/sports-buzz/#storylink=cpy

Roscoe26 said:

I may be late to the party, but I saw that Dodd from CBS Sports said something along the line that the best thing for the NCAA to do is to just drop the Miami case.

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And that's from a guy that slams us every chance he gets. I agree the NCAA got 2 bowls bans out of us, it's time for them to lick their wounds and move on.