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failure to monitor. vacated wins, probation, and 10 scholly's.
They are going to punish the new regime for what guys like Hester did? Not likely
The players that got suspended and the Godfrey mess will get us some loss of schollys though.
The players that got suspended and the Godfrey mess will get us some loss of schollys though.
A lot of questions still remain.
- This went on for 8 years. How did nobody at UM put a stop to it? Will we be hit with willful violators clause, or is the investigation limited to 4 years?
- We know that Clint Hurtt was implicated by current players for recruiting violations (bringing them to Shapiro). Text messages and phone records also link him to Nevin Shapiro. How much is UM going to be held responsible for that, vs how much of that will fall on Clint Hurtt?
- What did players that transferred or went elsewhere like Godfrey, Marve, the Brown brothers, Debose, etc tell the NCAA?
- We have federal testimony by Chicago real estate investor Sherwin Jarol, who was deposed in Shapiro’s Ponzi case. At one point in his testimony Jarol describes a pair of August 2008 visits to Solid Gold nightclub with Shapiro. He says “the coach of the Miami basketball” team (Frank Haith) attended one trip. Further in his testimony, he testifies that he “believe there were a couple football players” and added “they all seemed to have a relationship with Nevin. Some stayed at his house,” he said.
- Roberto Torres also testified to federal prosecutors. Torres, who was the chief financial officer of Shapiro’s Capitol Investments, told prosecutors he witnessed the booster paying Hurricanes football players in his Miami Beach mansion.
- What about Shapiro’s co-ownership of a sports agency – Axcess Sports & Entertainment – for nearly his entire tenure as a Hurricanes booster?
- This went on for 8 years. How did nobody at UM put a stop to it? Will we be hit with willful violators clause, or is the investigation limited to 4 years?
- We know that Clint Hurtt was implicated by current players for recruiting violations (bringing them to Shapiro). Text messages and phone records also link him to Nevin Shapiro. How much is UM going to be held responsible for that, vs how much of that will fall on Clint Hurtt?
- What did players that transferred or went elsewhere like Godfrey, Marve, the Brown brothers, Debose, etc tell the NCAA?
- We have federal testimony by Chicago real estate investor Sherwin Jarol, who was deposed in Shapiro’s Ponzi case. At one point in his testimony Jarol describes a pair of August 2008 visits to Solid Gold nightclub with Shapiro. He says “the coach of the Miami basketball” team (Frank Haith) attended one trip. Further in his testimony, he testifies that he “believe there were a couple football players” and added “they all seemed to have a relationship with Nevin. Some stayed at his house,” he said.
- Roberto Torres also testified to federal prosecutors. Torres, who was the chief financial officer of Shapiro’s Capitol Investments, told prosecutors he witnessed the booster paying Hurricanes football players in his Miami Beach mansion.
- What about Shapiro’s co-ownership of a sports agency – Axcess Sports & Entertainment – for nearly his entire tenure as a Hurricanes booster?
What yall are forgetting...
Everybody who may or may not have done wrong is GONE. New staff, AD, etc.
Every player involved or not involved is either gone or already punished....
What else is there?
Everybody who may or may not have done wrong is GONE. New staff, AD, etc.
Every player involved or not involved is either gone or already punished....
What else is there?
Yup. The NCAA can't force any of our former players to testify Whatever Shapiro said about Hester, Rolle, Beason or whoever, means absolutely ****.
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You mean how the NCAA couldnt force Reggie Bush to testify so USC got off... oh wait.
Look, the NCAA may not come down hard on us, but just b/c the former players wont testify doesnt mean we can't still get in trouble for it. As others have alluded, I think the questions will be 1) how much did UM know 2) how much should they have known 3) dependent on the first 2 questions, does the NCAA punish the school and/or the perpetrators.
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there is also the very critical four year window that no one has mentioned. my understanding is that they don't go back more than four years unless they invoke the habitual offender status. all things considered with NS makes me think they will not do that. thus Hester and co are irrelevant
edit - i see that canesugar brought up the willful violator (habitual offender as I put it...couldn't remember what it was called)
edit - i see that canesugar brought up the willful violator (habitual offender as I put it...couldn't remember what it was called)
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They had Bush dead to rights, with or without his testimony. They had tons of people corroborating the story that his parents got reduced rent in a fancy house in LA, they had receipts noting that he had received money for a car and plane tickets, and they had telephone messages back and forth from Bush to the sports agent in question.
All reports have indicated that they don't have that muc info in terms of the Shapiro's more sensational allegations (the 10k to DQJ's family, the cars to Wilfork, the rolexes, etc.) We know that they have SOME evidence of lower-end improprieties (meals, parties, boat rides, etc).
We also know that they haven't even contacted many/most of the former players implicated, so they can't hold it against those players as being "uncooperative" with the investigation if they've never tried to contact them. And it seems to follow suit that, if they intended to pursue the harshest penalties against UM by way of invoking the willful violator thing, they'd have at least attempted to contact all players involved.
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CanesInSight.com reported this two months ago.
http://canesinsight.com/showthread.php?5199-NCAA-Tidbits&highlight=tidbits
http://canesinsight.com/showthread.php?5199-NCAA-Tidbits&highlight=tidbits
They would be doing us a favor during that era. How many will it be? 10? 12?
I think we get a little more but not much else.
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I'll take it... All I care about is playing for a Title... ACC/MNC. Whether we're on probation or reduction of some schollys mean nothing to me.
Probation under Golden is a walk..
Schollys reduction hurt depth... just means we have to recruit Freshman or Jucos that are ready to play asap instead of redshirting. The oppurtunity to play early will be a plus..
JC
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I dont think we skate by any means but I cant see where our punishment could be worse than OSU.
Im probably wrong. The ncaa might try to make an example out of us.
Im probably wrong. The ncaa might try to make an example out of us.
