HurricaneHauk said:

In the one game Rosier started he showed enough

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marshallrc13 said:

All I know is Kaaya had a pretty good true freshman season with far less talent and he was a summer enrollee. If he can do anything close to what Kaaya did we should be just fine.

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CFLCane said:

What if i told you 46% of Hurts completed passes were behind the line of scrimmage.

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What's your point? I'm not the one using Hurts as an example of a true freshman getting it done. Give your advanced stats to Dmoney.

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If wins are what you're looking for, Hurts is the perfect example. If you're looking for performance as a passer, look no further than Kaaya and his ACC-leading stats as a true freshman.

Here's the bottom line: In the first seven games of the schedule, putting aside FSU, we play Bethune Cookman, Arkansas State and Toledo (at home). Those should be wins with Jon Richt at quarterback. We also play Duke, Syracuse and Georgia Tech. Those are three of the worst defenses Perry will ever face.

By the time Perry gets to the meat of the schedule, he should (barring injury) have a ton of experience and 6 wins in the bag with 6 or 7 games left to go. I expect 10 wins and anything less would be a disappointment.

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Duke, Syracuse and GT are exactly the types of games a true freshman QB can lose. GT always gives us fits with their defense. Syracuse can score points and force you to answer. Duke always seems to play us pretty tough and usually knocks off a good team or two every year.

****, a true freshman QB can even get in trouble against a team like Ark State or Toledo.

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Lmao @ Syracuse...

They gave up 76 points last year to a team that doesn't have 1/3rd the amount of talent we do.

A TF QB would struggle on the road vs teams like FSU, NC or a home game like ND/Va Tech but the team's you mentioned don't strengthen that argument.

Those Duke, Cuse & GTech games are layups even with a Freshman QB & I say that not expecting for Perry to be the starter.

Your point about TF QB's is true, the only problem is the two upperclassmen aren't lighting the world on fire either, the question will remain how long do we stick with Shirreffs or Rosier if they lose to FSU or any other game early on?

The talk of a Freshman QB basically guaranteeing that we won't win anything big this season is couched under the expectation that the 2 upperclassmen better win the games we're supposed to lose with a Frosh QB or else the whole point becomes null & void.

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kryptonite said:

brock said:

252cane said:

Any of these dudes believing rosier or sheriffs is the answer for any portion of the season just because they are a rsjr or rssoph just needs to quit watching football.

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I don't understand why people have hope that rosier or sherriffs will be any better. Other than duke game with rozier neither have shown anything. If a freshman is close to what an upperclassman is capable of doing then you go with the freshman because they have more upside

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Because they've at least had years to learn the playbook. It's really not that hard to understand.

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marshallrc13 said:

All I know is Kaaya had a pretty good true freshman season with far less talent and he was a summer enrollee. If he can do anything close to what Kaaya did we should be just fine.

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The Franchise said:

marshallrc13 said:

All I know is Kaaya had a pretty good true freshman season with far less talent and he was a summer enrollee. If he can do anything close to what Kaaya did we should be just fine.

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You mean do nothing against almost every good team, pad stats against garbage teams, fall apart in the second half of most games and lead us to a 6-7 record?

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You're right. A true freshmans QB could never lose to GT, Duke or Syracuse. They can only lose to the top teams. GT is a talented team that always plays us tough and beat up on our veteran QB the last couple years. We needed a couple defensive TDs to hang on against them last year. But Perry would handle them with ease.

Remind me again which team Syracuse beat last year as a huge underdog.

Keep thinking everything will go by the book with a freshmans QB and that he'll only struggle when you think he'll struggle.

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brock said:

OriginalCanesCanesCanes said:

DMoney said:

The Franchise said:

This is pretty much it in a nutshell. We better hope Rosier steps up because we aren't winning 11 with a true freshmans summer enrollee.

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The summer enrollee thing is a cop-out, in my opinion. The only reason you throw out that caveat is because a true freshman just led Alabama to the title game. Do you think Hurts won and Kaaya lost because Hurts had a better knowledge of the offense?

The game has changed. It is easier to get young guys ready to roll. The experience bar gets lower every year, in college and the pros. The big question is whether we have a good enough team around Perry. Hurts obviously did.

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Counterpoints:

1. Hurts enrolled at Alabama in December 2015 (https://theundefeated.com/features/...-hurts-and-the-black-qbs-who-came-before-him/) - that's a huge difference from what NKosi did. Those extra months make an astronomical difference, especially for a QB that will have to throw

2. Hurts is a different type of QB in a different type of system - was never expected to win with his arm, unlike Kosi if he's tabbed.

3. Alabama has 5 stars at the 3-deep in just about every position. Their o-line is always monstrous.

4. Kosi will literally have four weeks to learn a more complex position in which he'll be required to read, react and throw in real time at a speed he's never experienced before.

If you don't see the obstacles he has vs what Hurts had, I don't know what to say.

You can't even compare the two QBs or situations.

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Main thing is Miami is significantly more talented than any team we face other than fsu and the schedule is rather easy.[/QUOTE]

Not true at all. FSU is on paper more talented and you can also make a case for ND. No way you can say we are significantly more talented than the Irish who are loaded with 4 star players and a few 5 star kids.

Then you have the following teams that are just a tad below us in talent and we all know can beat us on good day. UNC,VT and Pitt

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ghost2 said:

The Franchise said:

marshallrc13 said:

All I know is Kaaya had a pretty good true freshman season with far less talent and he was a summer enrollee. If he can do anything close to what Kaaya did we should be just fine.

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You mean do nothing against almost every good team, pad stats against garbage teams, fall apart in the second half of most games and lead us to a 6-7 record?

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Devil's Advocate hypothetical - if freshman Kaaya had the 2017 defense (and coaching staff) would we still have gone 6-7?

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Novacane32000 said:

brock said:

OriginalCanesCanesCanes said:

DMoney said:

The Franchise said:

This is pretty much it in a nutshell. We better hope Rosier steps up because we aren't winning 11 with a true freshmans summer enrollee.

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The summer enrollee thing is a cop-out, in my opinion. The only reason you throw out that caveat is because a true freshman just led Alabama to the title game. Do you think Hurts won and Kaaya lost because Hurts had a better knowledge of the offense?

The game has changed. It is easier to get young guys ready to roll. The experience bar gets lower every year, in college and the pros. The big question is whether we have a good enough team around Perry. Hurts obviously did.

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1. Hurts enrolled at Alabama in December 2015 (https://theundefeated.com/features/...-hurts-and-the-black-qbs-who-came-before-him/) - that's a huge difference from what NKosi did. Those extra months make an astronomical difference, especially for a QB that will have to throw

2. Hurts is a different type of QB in a different type of system - was never expected to win with his arm, unlike Kosi if he's tabbed.

3. Alabama has 5 stars at the 3-deep in just about every position. Their o-line is always monstrous.

4. Kosi will literally have four weeks to learn a more complex position in which he'll be required to read, react and throw in real time at a speed he's never experienced before.

If you don't see the obstacles he has vs what Hurts had, I don't know what to say.

You can't even compare the two QBs or situations.

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Main thing is Miami is significantly more talented than any team we face other than fsu and the schedule is rather easy.[/QUOTE]

Not true at all. FSU is on paper more talented and you can also make a case for ND. No way you can say we are significantly more talented than the Irish who are loaded with 4 star players and a few 5 star kids.

Then you have the following teams that are just a tad below us in talent and we all know can beat us on good day. UNC,VT and Pitt

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Notre dame is only more talented at Miami this year in 2 spots. At qb with winbush and on the oline. Everywhere else Miami is more talented than notre dame

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ghost2 said:

The Franchise said:

marshallrc13 said:

All I know is Kaaya had a pretty good true freshman season with far less talent and he was a summer enrollee. If he can do anything close to what Kaaya did we should be just fine.

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You mean do nothing against almost every good team, pad stats against garbage teams, fall apart in the second half of most games and lead us to a 6-7 record?

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Devil's Advocate hypothetical - if freshman Kaaya had the 2017 defense (and coaching staff) would we still have gone 6-7?

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The Franchise said:

marshallrc13 said:

All I know is Kaaya had a pretty good true freshman season with far less talent and he was a summer enrollee. If he can do anything close to what Kaaya did we should be just fine.

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You mean do nothing against almost every good team, pad stats against garbage teams, fall apart in the second half of most games and lead us to a 6-7 record?

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kryptonite said:

brock said:

252cane said:

Any of these dudes believing rosier or sheriffs is the answer for any portion of the season just because they are a rsjr or rssoph just needs to quit watching football.

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I don't understand why people have hope that rosier or sherriffs will be any better. Other than duke game with rozier neither have shown anything. If a freshman is close to what an upperclassman is capable of doing then you go with the freshman because they have more upside

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Because they've at least had years to learn the playbook. It's really not that hard to understand.

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252cane said:

kryptonite said:

brock said:

252cane said:

Any of these dudes believing rosier or sheriffs is the answer for any portion of the season just because they are a rsjr or rssoph just needs to quit watching football.

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I don't understand why people have hope that rosier or sherriffs will be any better. Other than duke game with rozier neither have shown anything. If a freshman is close to what an upperclassman is capable of doing then you go with the freshman because they have more upside

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Because they've at least had years to learn the playbook. It's really not that hard to understand.

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Richt has been here one year. So how have they had years in the playbook?

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The Franchise said:

marshallrc13 said:

All I know is Kaaya had a pretty good true freshman season with far less talent and he was a summer enrollee. If he can do anything close to what Kaaya did we should be just fine.

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You mean do nothing against almost every good team, pad stats against garbage teams, fall apart in the second half of most games and lead us to a 6-7 record?

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252cane said:

The Franchise said:

marshallrc13 said:

All I know is Kaaya had a pretty good true freshman season with far less talent and he was a summer enrollee. If he can do anything close to what Kaaya did we should be just fine.

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You mean do nothing against almost every good team, pad stats against garbage teams, fall apart in the second half of most games and lead us to a 6-7 record?

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His freshmen year nebraska won 9 games and kaaya had 359 yards and 3tds. Was the most yards thrown by a qb on the road vs nebraska.

Gt 11 wins and he threw for 245 and 1td. Cincinnati 9 wins 286 3tds, unc 189 3tds, fsu 316 2tds.

The most yards he threw for that year came vs nebraska. And the other 2 games he went for 300+ yards was fsu and ark st. That doesnt look like padding stats vs bad teams to me.

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