P-Tizzle said:

PFF graded Messidor as our third best player for us yesterday.

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Rellyrell said:

Which came first; the chicken or the egg? No seriously; which came first, The Culture of Miami Football or The New Staff?

Check my post history; I’m not & never have been a coach defender. This post, thread is not to justify, excuse, bargain, or even reason upon the monstrosity of yesterday’s game. It started funky with the tailgate being completely demolished by heavy rains, to MTSU completely & throughly smashing us. Again, while the off season was filled w/ the usual chest thumping, 15-0 / 10+ win or bust posters, along w/ the usual Green Tree Practice Reports adding Kool-Aid, there were a handful of posters, like myself, who cautioned season 1.

BCU game had everyone feeling good, & again, I posted historical data of us crushing FCS opponents in previous yrs & the end results. So often fans get caught up in the hype, they don’t have an honest evaluation of their team. I gotta frat bro right now in line to lose $50 to me b/c he think our Chi Bears is winning 8 games this yr b/c we got a new coach. Lol. That’s fans, bro; hard headed af, w/ the inability to see reality b/c they think w/ their emotions & not mind.

Question for all those who said bench Ivey: have u seen what’s behind him? Did u see a young Jaden Harris slide farther on the field than Manny ever did, as he was burnt? Have u seen Green Tree All-American, Graves, get BBQ chicken? So who’s replacing Ivey? Speaking of, how about that effort by Ivey on that 90+ TD? Did u see him run full sprint or jog?

Question for all those who said J Will is the next: did u see his **** poor efforts in tackling yesterday?

Question for all those who praised the portal moves, including crowning Messidor: where have they been?

Question for all those who thought the camp reports of half-assed efforts from the WRs in practice: are u now convinced of the ?able hands these guys have? Are u concerned that our go to guys are Redding & Ladson?

There’s never an excuse to lose to a MTSU team, not when you are a P5 squad. I don’t care who’ve they’ve upset in the past, the fact this team is a middling G5 team, but fans look at roster vs. something u can’t account for, culture. To illustrate, one of my boys in FL, young guy at 35 and into health & fitness like myself. Externally, he looks great, but no one knows internally he deals w/ depression & mood swings, & those things derails him a lot. Fortunately, he has a loving wife who helps him navigate through those times.

Externally, based upon 247 rankings, this roster should be competing for ACC titles & beating the snot out of all these teams we’ve faced. So why haven’t we? In the last 4 yrs, we’ve lost to more unranked G5 teams than we have in the last 40 yrs. alone. Chicken or Egg, folks?

I’ve clearly warned the make up of this roster, the mentality that’s crept in, and somehow you’ve convinced urself that was going to change b/c of a coach? The overwhelming data shows when a coach takes over a dumpster fire, it takes 2-3 yrs to clear out the filth. I remember Bama losing to ULM at home in 2007 & the vitriol that was spewed by friends who r Bama fans who wanted him gone. I remember SC fans hating the Carroll hire & hated him even more going 6-6 yr 1, including a baffling, pathetic performance against Utah in their bowl game (MWC Utah, not Pac-12 Utah)

The fans who r chirping the most r the ones who didn’t want Mario here in the 1st place. This is ur “See, I told u he was a bum” moment. Lol. It takes time to change culture, at least 2 yrs, but generally by year 3. Unless u’re Lincoln Riley & can bring ur squad w/ you to replace current players & a Belitnikoff WR, it’s incredibly difficult to have a 1 yr turn around. I’ve seen Saban, Carroll, Dabo, Aranda, Stoops (both of them) all look like Corches yr 1.

Things take time; if by year 3 we look like this, then we know it wasn’t the chicken; it was the egg

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Rellyrell said:

Let me simplify it:

Is it a talent culture/issue or a coaching issue? Which came 1st?

Supportive data shows these issues, such as not showing up against inferior competition & this apathetic attitude have shown up since 2004.

Ppl chitted on Norvell, including me; but, u can find several post where me & @Liberty City El were high on FSU hiring him. It looked like a massive failure. Again, what I didn’t account for was culture & how far it sunk under Jimbo & Taggart. But once the bad seeds started to exit, FSU started looking better. U can find me saying FSU actually looked like a competent team last yr, so this 4-0 start doesn’t shock me. It takes TIME to fix bull chit, so I’m not ready to say fly the planes, “right now.” Come yr 2 & 3, if I see the same chit, I’ll humbly acknowledge I was wrong on Mario & the hire.

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Rellyrell said:

Let me simplify it:

Is it a talent culture/issue or a coaching issue? Which came 1st?

Supportive data shows these issues, such as not showing up against inferior competition & this apathetic attitude have shown up since 2004.

Ppl chitted on Norvell, including me; but, u can find several post where me & @Liberty City El were high on FSU hiring him. It looked like a massive failure. Again, what I didn’t account for was culture & how far it sunk under Jimbo & Taggart. But once the bad seeds started to exit, FSU started looking better. U can find me saying FSU actually looked like a competent team last yr, so this 4-0 start doesn’t shock me. It takes TIME to fix bull chit, so I’m not ready to say fly the planes, “right now.” Come yr 2 & 3, if I see the same chit, I’ll humbly acknowledge I was wrong on Mario & the hire.

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252cane said:

It does take time but I think the problem is when u lose by double digits to middle tenn. And having a offensive system that doesn’t seem to be clicking with the players. These are things that can be controlled right away.

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TheProf said:

Players not on the roster anymore are irrelevant.

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Rellyrell said:

The **** it’s not.

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Rellyrell said:

Aye, truth is truth. I got the phone call immediately after that game, wanting him fired, & That Bama made a mistake hiring a has been coach who got smoked while w/ The Dolphins. Fans don’t see tomorrow, they only see today & I get it. Hence, y I never get “too” upset yr 1. The only reason y I was hard on Diaz yr 1 was b/c he had zero business being here, especially being apart of the problem along w/ no coaching experience. Also the way he took subtle shots at Richt really ****ed me off. Even then, my anger turned towards Blake James for the dumb hire.

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Rellyrell said:

Which came first; the chicken or the egg? No seriously; which came first, The Culture of Miami Football or The New Staff?

Check my post history; I’m not & never have been a coach defender. This post, thread is not to justify, excuse, bargain, or even reason upon the monstrosity of yesterday’s game. It started funky with the tailgate being completely demolished by heavy rains, to MTSU completely & throughly smashing us. Again, while the off season was filled w/ the usual chest thumping, 15-0 / 10+ win or bust posters, along w/ the usual Green Tree Practice Reports adding Kool-Aid, there were a handful of posters, like myself, who cautioned season 1.

BCU game had everyone feeling good, & again, I posted historical data of us crushing FCS opponents in previous yrs & the end results. So often fans get caught up in the hype, they don’t have an honest evaluation of their team. I gotta frat bro right now in line to lose $50 to me b/c he think our Chi Bears is winning 8 games this yr b/c we got a new coach. Lol. That’s fans, bro; hard headed af, w/ the inability to see reality b/c they think w/ their emotions & not mind.

Question for all those who said bench Ivey: have u seen what’s behind him? Did u see a young Jaden Harris slide farther on the field than Manny ever did, as he was burnt? Have u seen Green Tree All-American, Graves, get BBQ chicken? So who’s replacing Ivey? Speaking of, how about that effort by Ivey on that 90+ TD? Did u see him run full sprint or jog?

Question for all those who said J Will is the next: did u see his **** poor efforts in tackling yesterday?

Question for all those who praised the portal moves, including crowning Messidor: where have they been?

Question for all those who thought the camp reports of half-assed efforts from the WRs in practice: are u now convinced of the ?able hands these guys have? Are u concerned that our go to guys are Redding & Ladson?

There’s never an excuse to lose to a MTSU team, not when you are a P5 squad. I don’t care who’ve they’ve upset in the past, the fact this team is a middling G5 team, but fans look at roster vs. something u can’t account for, culture. To illustrate, one of my boys in FL, young guy at 35 and into health & fitness like myself. Externally, he looks great, but no one knows internally he deals w/ depression & mood swings, & those things derails him a lot. Fortunately, he has a loving wife who helps him navigate through those times.

Externally, based upon 247 rankings, this roster should be competing for ACC titles & beating the snot out of all these teams we’ve faced. So why haven’t we? In the last 4 yrs, we’ve lost to more unranked G5 teams than we have in the last 40 yrs. alone. Chicken or Egg, folks?

I’ve clearly warned the make up of this roster, the mentality that’s crept in, and somehow you’ve convinced urself that was going to change b/c of a coach? The overwhelming data shows when a coach takes over a dumpster fire, it takes 2-3 yrs to clear out the filth. I remember Bama losing to ULM at home in 2007 & the vitriol that was spewed by friends who r Bama fans who wanted him gone. I remember SC fans hating the Carroll hire & hated him even more going 6-6 yr 1, including a baffling, pathetic performance against Utah in their bowl game (MWC Utah, not Pac-12 Utah)

The fans who r chirping the most r the ones who didn’t want Mario here in the 1st place. This is ur “See, I told u he was a bum” moment. Lol. It takes time to change culture, at least 2 yrs, but generally by year 3. Unless u’re Lincoln Riley & can bring ur squad w/ you to replace current players & a Belitnikoff WR, it’s incredibly difficult to have a 1 yr turn around. I’ve seen Saban, Carroll, Dabo, Aranda, Stoops (both of them) all look like Corches yr 1.

Things take time; if by year 3 we look like this, then we know it wasn’t the chicken; it was the egg

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NC_Canes_11 said:

More than one thing can be true at a time. Mario and Co. are dealing with a complete rebuild. The culture sucks, and the team is full of jags.

Also Mario is the reason the offense looks as bad as it does. He hired Gattis and has let Gattis force feed this BS onto a roster that can’t run the offense. Years of evidence say Mario won’t change or adapt either.

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SayWhat said:

I see you, but maybe this post needed to happen, just not this week. It's less of an issue against A&M, but MTSU?

You're a rationale and smart poster. No question the guy that got gone last year deserved to be let go. Still, he had his mistakes, but every game we were in last year minus Bama and Michigan State we were in it. Every game lost was decided by 3 or less.

IF you're a better coach, staff, and have a better scheme, you don't lose this game. Not at home to a team that got waxed by James Madison to the tune of 30 plus. Before we make them some world beater, they were down 28 to 3 against App State, but won 32 to 28.

This was inexcusable. We were who nobody thought we were yesterday. Point spreads aren't everything, but 25 point favorites or whatever it was to 14 point dogs? Come on, there's no excuse for that.

It's not ever all on any one unit or staff member, but the staff laid an egg. That's the only egg we should be taking about.

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simplycanes said:

Yeah, but my guy, Cristobal ain't Saban. Saban was a proven commodity who had won a NC in '03, there was a lot more history on his side.

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NC_Canes_11 said:

More than one thing can be true at a time. Mario and Co. are dealing with a complete rebuild. The culture sucks, and the team is full of jags.

Also Mario is the reason the offense looks as bad as it does. He hired Gattis and has let Gattis force feed this BS onto a roster that can’t run the offense. Years of evidence say Mario won’t change or adapt either.

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Angry Ibis said:

Simplify it. Nearly everyone was OK with Mario + IF (he hired a strong OC). As of the moment of this post, IF ******* sucks…

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Rellyrell said:

Which came first; the chicken or the egg? No seriously; which came first, The Culture of Miami Football or The New Staff?

Check my post history; I’m not & never have been a coach defender. This post, thread is not to justify, excuse, bargain, or even reason upon the monstrosity of yesterday’s game. It started funky with the tailgate being completely demolished by heavy rains, to MTSU completely & throughly smashing us. Again, while the off season was filled w/ the usual chest thumping, 15-0 / 10+ win or bust posters, along w/ the usual Green Tree Practice Reports adding Kool-Aid, there were a handful of posters, like myself, who cautioned season 1.

BCU game had everyone feeling good, & again, I posted historical data of us crushing FCS opponents in previous yrs & the end results. So often fans get caught up in the hype, they don’t have an honest evaluation of their team. I gotta frat bro right now in line to lose $50 to me b/c he think our Chi Bears is winning 8 games this yr b/c we got a new coach. Lol. That’s fans, bro; hard headed af, w/ the inability to see reality b/c they think w/ their emotions & not mind.

Question for all those who said bench Ivey: have u seen what’s behind him? Did u see a young Jaden Harris slide farther on the field than Manny ever did, as he was burnt? Have u seen Green Tree All-American, Graves, get BBQ chicken? So who’s replacing Ivey? Speaking of, how about that effort by Ivey on that 90+ TD? Did u see him run full sprint or jog?

Question for all those who said J Will is the next: did u see his **** poor efforts in tackling yesterday?

Question for all those who praised the portal moves, including crowning Messidor: where have they been?

Question for all those who thought the camp reports of half-assed efforts from the WRs in practice: are u now convinced of the ?able hands these guys have? Are u concerned that our go to guys are Redding & Ladson?

There’s never an excuse to lose to a MTSU team, not when you are a P5 squad. I don’t care who’ve they’ve upset in the past, the fact this team is a middling G5 team, but fans look at roster vs. something u can’t account for, culture. To illustrate, one of my boys in FL, young guy at 35 and into health & fitness like myself. Externally, he looks great, but no one knows internally he deals w/ depression & mood swings, & those things derails him a lot. Fortunately, he has a loving wife who helps him navigate through those times.

Externally, based upon 247 rankings, this roster should be competing for ACC titles & beating the snot out of all these teams we’ve faced. So why haven’t we? In the last 4 yrs, we’ve lost to more unranked G5 teams than we have in the last 40 yrs. alone. Chicken or Egg, folks?

I’ve clearly warned the make up of this roster, the mentality that’s crept in, and somehow you’ve convinced urself that was going to change b/c of a coach? The overwhelming data shows when a coach takes over a dumpster fire, it takes 2-3 yrs to clear out the filth. I remember Bama losing to ULM at home in 2007 & the vitriol that was spewed by friends who r Bama fans who wanted him gone. I remember SC fans hating the Carroll hire & hated him even more going 6-6 yr 1, including a baffling, pathetic performance against Utah in their bowl game (MWC Utah, not Pac-12 Utah)

The fans who r chirping the most r the ones who didn’t want Mario here in the 1st place. This is ur “See, I told u he was a bum” moment. Lol. It takes time to change culture, at least 2 yrs, but generally by year 3. Unless u’re Lincoln Riley & can bring ur squad w/ you to replace current players & a Belitnikoff WR, it’s incredibly difficult to have a 1 yr turn around. I’ve seen Saban, Carroll, Dabo, Aranda, Stoops (both of them) all look like Corches yr 1.

Things take time; if by year 3 we look like this, then we know it wasn’t the chicken; it was the egg

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Rellyrell said:

The only thing I don’t get is last yr, the narrative was this team needed an infusion of talent. Lol. Well, we didn’t get that infusion. Our class of ‘22, while talented, was small & r true freshmen, transitioning to the college game. So how did we go from needing an infusion of talent to 10 wins or bust?

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