Chicken Or The Egg

Chicken Or The Egg

Rellyrell

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Great post. The school has put the money up to make the Canes a top-notch program again and Mario may not have been everyone's first choice on here, but the vast majority thought he was a solid hire. He needs time like anyone else.

This MTSU loss is INDEFENSIBLE though. A huge red flag against Mario really. Being outclassed by them in almost every facet of the game just cannot happen. After a solid performance (i.e. not a blow out) on national TV in a brutal environment on the road, I was hoping Mario would have them ready to stomp MTSU and get ready for the ACC slate. Just not to be though. Game day Mario has been a concern and hopefully he improves.
 
Regarding ivey it looked like he was jogging but I think he was running hard
I think this is one of our biggest problems. We have a bunch of 4stars, but they're slow 4stars. There are tons of 2 and 3 stars every year that are fast as ****, but not the prototypical size. How many times do we play teams with less overall talent based on the stars, but they're faster than us. Remember how fast Tu Tu Atwell was compared to our team. We're slow as **** as a team.
 
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Which came first; the chicken or the egg? No seriously; which came first, The Culture of Miami Football or The New Staff?

Check my post history; I’m not & never have been a coach defender. This post, thread is not to justify, excuse, bargain, or even reason upon the monstrosity of yesterday’s game. It started funky with the tailgate being completely demolished by heavy rains, to MTSU completely & throughly smashing us. Again, while the off season was filled w/ the usual chest thumping, 15-0 / 10+ win or bust posters, along w/ the usual Green Tree Practice Reports adding Kool-Aid, there were a handful of posters, like myself, who cautioned season 1.

BCU game had everyone feeling good, & again, I posted historical data of us crushing FCS opponents in previous yrs & the end results. So often fans get caught up in the hype, they don’t have an honest evaluation of their team. I gotta frat bro right now in line to lose $50 to me b/c he think our Chi Bears is winning 8 games this yr b/c we got a new coach. Lol. That’s fans, bro; hard headed af, w/ the inability to see reality b/c they think w/ their emotions & not mind.

Question for all those who said bench Ivey: have u seen what’s behind him? Did u see a young Jaden Harris slide farther on the field than Manny ever did, as he was burnt? Have u seen Green Tree All-American, Graves, get BBQ chicken? So who’s replacing Ivey? Speaking of, how about that effort by Ivey on that 90+ TD? Did u see him run full sprint or jog?

Question for all those who said J Will is the next: did u see his **** poor efforts in tackling yesterday?

Question for all those who praised the portal moves, including crowning Messidor: where have they been?

Question for all those who thought the camp reports of half-assed efforts from the WRs in practice: are u now convinced of the ?able hands these guys have? Are u concerned that our go to guys are Redding & Ladson?

There’s never an excuse to lose to a MTSU team, not when you are a P5 squad. I don’t care who’ve they’ve upset in the past, the fact this team is a middling G5 team, but fans look at roster vs. something u can’t account for, culture. To illustrate, one of my boys in FL, young guy at 35 and into health & fitness like myself. Externally, he looks great, but no one knows internally he deals w/ depression & mood swings, & those things derails him a lot. Fortunately, he has a loving wife who helps him navigate through those times.

Externally, based upon 247 rankings, this roster should be competing for ACC titles & beating the snot out of all these teams we’ve faced. So why haven’t we? In the last 4 yrs, we’ve lost to more unranked G5 teams than we have in the last 40 yrs. alone. Chicken or Egg, folks?

I’ve clearly warned the make up of this roster, the mentality that’s crept in, and somehow you’ve convinced urself that was going to change b/c of a coach? The overwhelming data shows when a coach takes over a dumpster fire, it takes 2-3 yrs to clear out the filth. I remember Bama losing to ULM at home in 2007 & the vitriol that was spewed by friends who r Bama fans who wanted him gone. I remember SC fans hating the Carroll hire & hated him even more going 6-6 yr 1, including a baffling, pathetic performance against Utah in their bowl game (MWC Utah, not Pac-12 Utah)

The fans who r chirping the most r the ones who didn’t want Mario here in the 1st place. This is ur “See, I told u he was a bum” moment. Lol. It takes time to change culture, at least 2 yrs, but generally by year 3. Unless u’re Lincoln Riley & can bring ur squad w/ you to replace current players & a Belitnikoff WR, it’s incredibly difficult to have a 1 yr turn around. I’ve seen Saban, Carroll, Dabo, Aranda, Stoops (both of them) all look like Corches yr 1.

Things take time; if by year 3 we look like this, then we know it wasn’t the chicken; it was the egg
My thoughts are that year one for any new regime is a mulligan. Losing like he’s doing won’t help the rebuild, but it’s not Mario’s fault the receivers can’t catch and that the CBs are 4.8 forty types.

Things I do blame the staff for:

Not giving young LBs more burn
Not correcting TVD if he wasn’t leading months ago
Calling plays like we have a lead when we are down 3 scores
 
Rellyrell is 100% correct here. If anyone thought we were going to have a 10-2 type season is a rube. The “reports” out of Greentree are for entertainment only. Reality is that we have a team full of JAGS.

I think we’ve gotten second fiddle type kids for too long here. Either talented head cases or hardworking bums. I can count on one hand the kids we’ve had over the last 15 years that were BOTH hardworking and blue chip. Those kids have been leaving South Florida.

This staff is too experienced and knowledgeable too fail like this. It takes a while to turn a ship around. We have to trust Reed, J Taylor, Strong, Coach O, Cristobal, etc…
The best way to judge it is simply to ask yourself - how many current Miami Hurricanes on this roster would you want on your favourite NFL team?

That's where we're at from a talent standpoint.
 
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I think Parrish and Jackson were solid portal additions but I said in the summer we missed. Still no pash rushers all our LBs still mid no corner and WR no comment. No matter if you agree with me or not about WR value it's a top 3 position with DE and QB we have none of them.
Agreed; too much data shows money positions r QB, WR, DE, & OL.

We have a QB who got hot when he just tossing it to Rambo.

Our best WR in the past 5 yrs came by way of the portal via a G5 school.

Our DEs hit gold w/ GR15 & then JP15, but we have no one on the roster w/ those abilities, thus far.

OL is still the same
 
You might not like but it is what we got brother. We ain't even started the rebuild yet.
2 - 3 years until we are competing with Clemson or Bama is one thing. We lost to Middle Tennessee State. Their recruiting rankings are in the 100’s. If Mario needs that much of a talent advantage to make his system work, then maybe he needs to re-evaluate his philosophy.

Not to mention, in the portal era you can pretty much rebuild a roster in one offseason.
 
The best way to judge it is simply to ask yourself - how many current Miami Hurricanes on this roster would you want on your favourite NFL team?

That's where we're at from a talent standpoint.
Exactly. I’d take Brownlee from SMU and the fat D lineman from MTSU before I take any of our guys.

It’s the reason we always are calling for the younger guys to play. Our older guys get exposed as jags, and usually when we put the young guys in they get exposed too.

It’s also the reason the last few quality guys we’ve had drafted were transfer portal guys. Rousseau and Berrios would be the only ones I can think of that we’ve developed and who’ve become solid NFL guys.
 
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Which came first; the chicken or the egg? No seriously; which came first, The Culture of Miami Football or The New Staff?

Check my post history; I’m not & never have been a coach defender. This post, thread is not to justify, excuse, bargain, or even reason upon the monstrosity of yesterday’s game. It started funky with the tailgate being completely demolished by heavy rains, to MTSU completely & throughly smashing us. Again, while the off season was filled w/ the usual chest thumping, 15-0 / 10+ win or bust posters, along w/ the usual Green Tree Practice Reports adding Kool-Aid, there were a handful of posters, like myself, who cautioned season 1.

BCU game had everyone feeling good, & again, I posted historical data of us crushing FCS opponents in previous yrs & the end results. So often fans get caught up in the hype, they don’t have an honest evaluation of their team. I gotta frat bro right now in line to lose $50 to me b/c he think our Chi Bears is winning 8 games this yr b/c we got a new coach. Lol. That’s fans, bro; hard headed af, w/ the inability to see reality b/c they think w/ their emotions & not mind.

Question for all those who said bench Ivey: have u seen what’s behind him? Did u see a young Jaden Harris slide farther on the field than Manny ever did, as he was burnt? Have u seen Green Tree All-American, Graves, get BBQ chicken? So who’s replacing Ivey? Speaking of, how about that effort by Ivey on that 90+ TD? Did u see him run full sprint or jog?

Question for all those who said J Will is the next: did u see his **** poor efforts in tackling yesterday?

Question for all those who praised the portal moves, including crowning Messidor: where have they been?

Question for all those who thought the camp reports of half-assed efforts from the WRs in practice: are u now convinced of the ?able hands these guys have? Are u concerned that our go to guys are Redding & Ladson?

There’s never an excuse to lose to a MTSU team, not when you are a P5 squad. I don’t care who’ve they’ve upset in the past, the fact this team is a middling G5 team, but fans look at roster vs. something u can’t account for, culture. To illustrate, one of my boys in FL, young guy at 35 and into health & fitness like myself. Externally, he looks great, but no one knows internally he deals w/ depression & mood swings, & those things derails him a lot. Fortunately, he has a loving wife who helps him navigate through those times.

Externally, based upon 247 rankings, this roster should be competing for ACC titles & beating the snot out of all these teams we’ve faced. So why haven’t we? In the last 4 yrs, we’ve lost to more unranked G5 teams than we have in the last 40 yrs. alone. Chicken or Egg, folks?

I’ve clearly warned the make up of this roster, the mentality that’s crept in, and somehow you’ve convinced urself that was going to change b/c of a coach? The overwhelming data shows when a coach takes over a dumpster fire, it takes 2-3 yrs to clear out the filth. I remember Bama losing to ULM at home in 2007 & the vitriol that was spewed by friends who r Bama fans who wanted him gone. I remember SC fans hating the Carroll hire & hated him even more going 6-6 yr 1, including a baffling, pathetic performance against Utah in their bowl game (MWC Utah, not Pac-12 Utah)

The fans who r chirping the most r the ones who didn’t want Mario here in the 1st place. This is ur “See, I told u he was a bum” moment. Lol. It takes time to change culture, at least 2 yrs, but generally by year 3. Unless u’re Lincoln Riley & can bring ur squad w/ you to replace current players & a Belitnikoff WR, it’s incredibly difficult to have a 1 yr turn around. I’ve seen Saban, Carroll, Dabo, Aranda, Stoops (both of them) all look like Corches yr 1.

Things take time; if by year 3 we look like this, then we know it wasn’t the chicken; it was the egg

Getting beat by Clemson by 10+ is applicable to your post. Not MTSU

I have zero faith that the offense can be improved unless Gattis is no longer directing things.

Mario and Zo will have hard decisions to make this off-season.
 
I also don’t think it’s a coincidence that we’ve been beaten by these horrible schools lately. We get low character 5* guys, lazy 4* guys, and non athletic 3* guys and expect them to beat teams FULL of hungry, non diva, hard working 2*/3* guys.
 
@Rellyrell , I feel like this board has never seen this before. Acting like a new staff during the off season will automatically tack on an additional 3-5 wins in the first season with obvious holes on the roster is just plain dumb. There has been a culture of entitlement since Coker and it isn’t going away during one off season.
 
@Rellyrell , I feel like this board has never seen this before. Acting like a new staff during the off season will automatically tack on an additional 3-5 wins in the first season with obvious holes on the roster is just plain dumb. There has been a culture of entitlement since Coker and it isn’t going away during one off season.
...and sometimes it seems as though we have some ****-stirrers here, too. They just pop off with whatever dumb **** creeps into their head and feel the need to type that dumb out into words for the rest of us to have to suffer through.
 
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Losing to a lesser team may happen in some transition year but these mf speed bagged our nuts up and down the field and that is bad look.i could only imagine that this doesn't help recruiting to help turn this around.i thought before the season we would lose 2 games now we may be in a dogfight to make a bowl game.
 
@Rellyrell , I feel like this board has never seen this before. Acting like a new staff during the off season will automatically tack on an additional 3-5 wins in the first season with obvious holes on the roster is just plain dumb. There has been a culture of entitlement since Coker and it isn’t going away during one off season.

It’s also b/c of the amount of $$ given. They assume a big $$ coach would yield instant results. Mario have said several times we are not there & we have a lot of work to do. There ain’t no pixie dust to transform this roster; but, the coaching staff also have to figure out there business!
 
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Relly my man... do you have the post on Kindle in your Morgan Freeman voice?
 
The best way to judge it is simply to ask yourself - how many current Miami Hurricanes on this roster would you want on your favourite NFL team?

That's where we're at from a talent standpoint.
Definitely need elite talent to beat MTSU, good post
 
Which came first; the chicken or the egg? No seriously; which came first, The Culture of Miami Football or The New Staff?

Check my post history; I’m not & never have been a coach defender. This post, thread is not to justify, excuse, bargain, or even reason upon the monstrosity of yesterday’s game. It started funky with the tailgate being completely demolished by heavy rains, to MTSU completely & throughly smashing us. Again, while the off season was filled w/ the usual chest thumping, 15-0 / 10+ win or bust posters, along w/ the usual Green Tree Practice Reports adding Kool-Aid, there were a handful of posters, like myself, who cautioned season 1.

BCU game had everyone feeling good, & again, I posted historical data of us crushing FCS opponents in previous yrs & the end results. So often fans get caught up in the hype, they don’t have an honest evaluation of their team. I gotta frat bro right now in line to lose $50 to me b/c he think our Chi Bears is winning 8 games this yr b/c we got a new coach. Lol. That’s fans, bro; hard headed af, w/ the inability to see reality b/c they think w/ their emotions & not mind.

Question for all those who said bench Ivey: have u seen what’s behind him? Did u see a young Jaden Harris slide farther on the field than Manny ever did, as he was burnt? Have u seen Green Tree All-American, Graves, get BBQ chicken? So who’s replacing Ivey? Speaking of, how about that effort by Ivey on that 90+ TD? Did u see him run full sprint or jog?

Question for all those who said J Will is the next: did u see his **** poor efforts in tackling yesterday?

Question for all those who praised the portal moves, including crowning Messidor: where have they been?

Question for all those who thought the camp reports of half-assed efforts from the WRs in practice: are u now convinced of the ?able hands these guys have? Are u concerned that our go to guys are Redding & Ladson?

There’s never an excuse to lose to a MTSU team, not when you are a P5 squad. I don’t care who’ve they’ve upset in the past, the fact this team is a middling G5 team, but fans look at roster vs. something u can’t account for, culture. To illustrate, one of my boys in FL, young guy at 35 and into health & fitness like myself. Externally, he looks great, but no one knows internally he deals w/ depression & mood swings, & those things derails him a lot. Fortunately, he has a loving wife who helps him navigate through those times.

Externally, based upon 247 rankings, this roster should be competing for ACC titles & beating the snot out of all these teams we’ve faced. So why haven’t we? In the last 4 yrs, we’ve lost to more unranked G5 teams than we have in the last 40 yrs. alone. Chicken or Egg, folks?

I’ve clearly warned the make up of this roster, the mentality that’s crept in, and somehow you’ve convinced urself that was going to change b/c of a coach? The overwhelming data shows when a coach takes over a dumpster fire, it takes 2-3 yrs to clear out the filth. I remember Bama losing to ULM at home in 2007 & the vitriol that was spewed by friends who r Bama fans who wanted him gone. I remember SC fans hating the Carroll hire & hated him even more going 6-6 yr 1, including a baffling, pathetic performance against Utah in their bowl game (MWC Utah, not Pac-12 Utah)

The fans who r chirping the most r the ones who didn’t want Mario here in the 1st place. This is ur “See, I told u he was a bum” moment. Lol. It takes time to change culture, at least 2 yrs, but generally by year 3. Unless u’re Lincoln Riley & can bring ur squad w/ you to replace current players & a Belitnikoff WR, it’s incredibly difficult to have a 1 yr turn around. I’ve seen Saban, Carroll, Dabo, Aranda, Stoops (both of them) all look like Corches yr 1.

Things take time; if by year 3 we look like this, then we know it wasn’t the chicken; it was the egg
Great post. One of your best. That's why you're a living legend.
 
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