Year 2 Turnarounds for CFB HCs

[GojiraCane]

Just looking at other college football coaches past and present, and almost all of the notable ones show significant improvement from Year 1 to 2. Saban and Carroll improved 5 games in Year 2, while Stoops had 6 more wins in Year 2. If Manny is the long-term answer for Miami, we'll likely know after this season.

Nick Saban
LSU

• Year prior to hiring: 3-8
• Year 1: 8-4
• Year 2: 10-2

Alabama

• Year prior to hiring: 6-7
• Year 1: 7-6
• Year 2: 12-2

Pete Carroll
USC

• Year prior to hiring: 5-7
• Year 1: 6-6
• Year 2: 11-2

Mack Brown
Texas

• Year prior to hiring: 4-7
• Year 1: 9-3
• Year 2: 9-5

Bob Stoops
Oklahoma

• Year prior to hiring: 5-6
• Year 1: 7-5
• Year 2: 13-0

Jimmy Johnson
Miami

• Year prior to hiring: 11-1
• Year 1: 8-5
• Year 2: 10-2

Urban Meyer
Florida

• Year prior to hiring: 7-5
• Year 1: 9-3
• Year 2: 13-1

Ohio State

• Year prior to hiring: 6-7
• Year 1: 12-0
• Year 2: 12-2

Mark Richt
Georgia

• Year prior to hiring: 8-4
• Year 1: 8-4
• Year 2: 13-1

Miami

• Year prior to hiring: 8-5
• Year 1: 9-4
• Year 2: 10-3

Tom Herman
Texas

• Year prior to hiring: 5-7
• Year 1: 7-6
• Year 2: 10-4

 

[cocanes]

OP is onto something here

 

[Mandingo]

I posted this awhile back. The snowflakes got all moist about it. Get it done. Winners win.

 

[Go Canes!!]

Interesting stats but those are the good examples. There are a lot more where coaches continue to go south in year 2 and 3.

Manny’s done all any reasonable fan could ask for this offseason. Now he’s got to do it on the field.

 

[CashMoneyCane]

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I posted this awhile back. The snowflakes got all moist about it. Get it done. Winners win.

Moist snowflakes are traditionally referred to as water.

 

[Rellyrell]

Just looking at other college football coaches past and present, and almost all of the notable ones show significant improvement from Year 1 to 2. Saban and Carroll improved 5 games in Year 2, while Stoops had 6 more wins in Year 2. If Manny is the long-term answer for Miami, we'll likely know after this season.

Nick Saban
LSU

• Year prior to hiring: 3-8
• Year 1: 8-4
• Year 2: 10-2

Alabama

• Year prior to hiring: 6-7
• Year 1: 7-6
• Year 2: 12-2

Pete Carroll
USC

• Year prior to hiring: 5-7
• Year 1: 6-6
• Year 2: 11-2

Mack Brown
Texas

• Year prior to hiring: 4-7
• Year 1: 9-3
• Year 2: 9-5

Bob Stoops
Oklahoma

• Year prior to hiring: 5-6
• Year 1: 7-5
• Year 2: 13-0

Jimmy Johnson
Miami

• Year prior to hiring: 11-1
• Year 1: 8-5
• Year 2: 10-2

Urban Meyer
Florida

• Year prior to hiring: 7-5
• Year 1: 9-3
• Year 2: 13-1

Ohio State

• Year prior to hiring: 6-7
• Year 1: 12-0
• Year 2: 12-2

Mark Richt
Georgia

• Year prior to hiring: 8-4
• Year 1: 8-4
• Year 2: 13-1

Miami

• Year prior to hiring: 8-5
• Year 1: 9-4
• Year 2: 10-3

Tom Herman
Texas

• Year prior to hiring: 5-7
• Year 1: 7-6
• Year 2: 10-4

Saban: Previous HC Experience at MSU prior to LSU. Previous HC Experience at LSU and NFLprior to Bama.

Pete Carroll: Previous NFL HC Experience

Mack Brown: Previous HC Experience

Bob Stoops: First time HC; but was a National Championship AHC/DC at UF

Jimmy Johnson: Previous HC Experience

Urban Meyers: Previous HC Experience

Mark Richt; First time HC at UGA, but was a National Championship AHC/OC at FSU
At Miami, previous HC Experience

Tom Herman: Previous HC Experience

Context is everything

 

[Astcloud11]

Counter argument, you never really know, sometimes you give your guy enough time and he has a break through, or you end up with Al Golden running in circles for years.

Examples of how long it took for coaches to win 9+ regular season games:

Chris Peterson(Boise State) Year 1
Chris Peterson (Washington) 3 years
James Franklin (Vandy) Never won 9 regular season games in 3 years
James Franklin (Penn) 3 years
Matt Rhule (Temple) 3 years
Matt Rhule (Baylor) 3 years
Mark Dantonio(MSU) Year 2 won 9 games, but dipped then solidified himself in year 4.
Sonny Dykes(SMU) 3 years (Thanks to Lashlee)
Pj Fleck (Minnesota) 3 years
Pj Fleck(WMU) 4 years
Dabo Swinney(Clemson) 4 year
Kirk Ferentz (Iowa) 4 years
Mack Brown(UNC) 5 years



Really there are a ton of respectful coaches out there who took 3-4 years to build a consistent program. There are also even more coaches who stalled for years with no serious outcome. That's why I'll always feel like a coach should be given 4 years as long as he makes changes. Al Golden screwed with us by winning 9 games in year 3 and seemed to be on the same trajectory as a successful coach.

 

[SWFLHurricane]

Saban: Previous HC Experience at MSU prior to LSU. Previous HC Experience at LSU and NFLprior to Bama.

Pete Carroll: Previous NFL HC Experience

Mack Brown: Previous HC Experience

Bob Stoops: First time HC; but was a National Championship AHC/DC at UF

Jimmy Johnson: Previous HC Experience

Urban Meyers: Previous HC Experience

Mark Richt; First time HC at UGA, but was a National Championship AHC/OC at FSU
At Miami, previous HC Experience

Tom Herman: Previous HC Experience

Context is everything

E.N.D O.F S.T.O.R.Y

 

[JD08]

It sure would be nice.

 

[canesarchitect]

Moist snowflakes are traditionally referred to as water.

Sierra cement.

 

[Empirical Cane]

Just looking at other college football coaches past and present, and almost all of the notable ones show significant improvement from Year 1 to 2. Saban and Carroll improved 5 games in Year 2, while Stoops had 6 more wins in Year 2. If Manny is the long-term answer for Miami, we'll likely know after this season.

Nick Saban
LSU

• Year prior to hiring: 3-8
• Year 1: 8-4
• Year 2: 10-2

Alabama

• Year prior to hiring: 6-7
• Year 1: 7-6
• Year 2: 12-2

Pete Carroll
USC

• Year prior to hiring: 5-7
• Year 1: 6-6
• Year 2: 11-2

Mack Brown
Texas

• Year prior to hiring: 4-7
• Year 1: 9-3
• Year 2: 9-5

Bob Stoops
Oklahoma

• Year prior to hiring: 5-6
• Year 1: 7-5
• Year 2: 13-0

Jimmy Johnson
Miami

• Year prior to hiring: 11-1
• Year 1: 8-5
• Year 2: 10-2

Urban Meyer
Florida

• Year prior to hiring: 7-5
• Year 1: 9-3
• Year 2: 13-1

Ohio State

• Year prior to hiring: 6-7
• Year 1: 12-0
• Year 2: 12-2

Mark Richt
Georgia

• Year prior to hiring: 8-4
• Year 1: 8-4
• Year 2: 13-1

Miami

• Year prior to hiring: 8-5
• Year 1: 9-4
• Year 2: 10-3

Tom Herman
Texas

• Year prior to hiring: 5-7
• Year 1: 7-6
• Year 2: 10-4

I'm to lazy to look, but how many Y2 records were with either a new OC or DC?

Lashlee is the Captain now, not Manuela.

 

[The Franchise]

I started that Year 2 analysis about 12 years ago. It still holds up today. The truly top HCs almost always make a big move in year 2.

 

[HurricaneHauk]

If Manny can’t win minimum 10 games he should be out with that schedule

 

[JD08]

I started that Year 2 analysis about 12 years ago. It still holds up today. The truly top HCs almost always make a big move in year 2.

But are you optimistic?

 

[Gatorhater]

Hum, which of those coaches does Manny remind any or us of? Half those guy are all time great types. Manny is more Larry Coker but with more ego and no Butch Davis recruits.

 

[SinisterCane]

Just looking at other college football coaches past and present, and almost all of the notable ones show significant improvement from Year 1 to 2. Saban and Carroll improved 5 games in Year 2, while Stoops had 6 more wins in Year 2. If Manny is the long-term answer for Miami, we'll likely know after this season.

Nick Saban
LSU

• Year prior to hiring: 3-8
• Year 1: 8-4
• Year 2: 10-2

Alabama

• Year prior to hiring: 6-7
• Year 1: 7-6
• Year 2: 12-2

Pete Carroll
USC

• Year prior to hiring: 5-7
• Year 1: 6-6
• Year 2: 11-2

Mack Brown
Texas

• Year prior to hiring: 4-7
• Year 1: 9-3
• Year 2: 9-5

Bob Stoops
Oklahoma

• Year prior to hiring: 5-6
• Year 1: 7-5
• Year 2: 13-0

Jimmy Johnson
Miami

• Year prior to hiring: 11-1
• Year 1: 8-5
• Year 2: 10-2

Urban Meyer
Florida

• Year prior to hiring: 7-5
• Year 1: 9-3
• Year 2: 13-1

Ohio State

• Year prior to hiring: 6-7
• Year 1: 12-0
• Year 2: 12-2

Mark Richt
Georgia

• Year prior to hiring: 8-4
• Year 1: 8-4
• Year 2: 13-1

Miami

• Year prior to hiring: 8-5
• Year 1: 9-4
• Year 2: 10-3

Tom Herman
Texas

• Year prior to hiring: 5-7
• Year 1: 7-6
• Year 2: 10-4

These coaches also had prior HC exp.

 

[The Franchise]

But are you optimistic?

I'm always optimistic about everything. But Manure left deep scars last year with the cataclysmic nature of his failure as a leader.

 

[JennStrawley’sBabyDaddy]

Manny has done a good job changing the narrative this off-season. He definitely knows how to build hype in the off-season. Maybe so much so that many have forgotten the putrid showing by our team last season. I can't remember ending a season lower than last season. Just awful.

It's sink or swim this year for Manny. He better destroy UNC after our bye because losing 3 games after a bye last year was insanely bad. Manny has the dedication and intelligence to build a winning team. Now he has to show he can be a sufficient game day coach.

 

[yessirking]

Before Urban Meyer took over at Ohio State, the buckeyes record was 6-7 with a new head coach. His name was Luke Fickell and he was fired after 1 year.

Flash forward to 2017, Luke Fickell is named the head coach of U of Cincinnati.

His first year at UoC: 4-8
Second year: 11-2
Third year: 11-3 and east conference champs.

When I think of other CFB coaches, this is the guy that most reminds me of Manny Diaz.

 

[NC_Canes_11]

Saban: Previous HC Experience at MSU prior to LSU. Previous HC Experience at LSU and NFLprior to Bama.

Pete Carroll: Previous NFL HC Experience

Mack Brown: Previous HC Experience

Bob Stoops: First time HC; but was a National Championship AHC/DC at UF

Jimmy Johnson: Previous HC Experience

Urban Meyers: Previous HC Experience

Mark Richt; First time HC at UGA, but was a National Championship AHC/OC at FSU
At Miami, previous HC Experience

Tom Herman: Previous HC Experience

Context is everything

Glad somebody pointed this out. Not even close to the same situation Manny is in.