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Page305 said:
Very interesting. I don't know why but I didn't expect it to be THAT similar.
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Yeah. I’ve been keeping tabs of how it stacks up against all our coaches in the 247 era, if you’re interested.

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supacane said:
I said it before but all this hand wringing over recruiting is pointless. The thing thats hilding us back is winning and producing draft picks. Cristobal last 3 full classes at Oregon, was #7,#13 and #6. He also had a good one going when he came here. Lanning went there off the back off that, plus nike NIL, Big Ten and also doing well on the field and took it to another level.

Thats the combination we need. The players we need are not shunning us for Tennessee or Ole Miss type. We are losing key recruits to UGA, Texas, Bama and Ohio. That's now the holy grail of recruiting.

We have to match their results on the field. Be playing in the post season against them.

This is down to coaching. We have consistently out recruited Michigan and ND. They were in the last 2 national title games, winning 1. So you can win big, especially in the ACC. Our problem including recruiting, has come from terrible hires especially on defense. That is where Cristobal needs to be highly criticized.

For me Cristobal tenure comes down to if Heatherman is the guy at DC. We have the players to win the ACC and make the playoffs. Its very simple now. NIL is fine but kids will get NIL at Ohio, UGA, Texas or Bama. They wanna go pro as well.
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I completely agree with this. I do not think it's a simple cut and dry issue of just offering more money. Why did Jeremiah Smith go to Ohio Taint? It was because of their track record of putting WR in the NFL as 1st rounders. The fact that they are a winning program consistently winning 10 plus games plus playoff appearances surely doesn't hurt.

We need to get over the hump and for us specifically that translates to winning 10 plus games and competing for conference titles and playoff appearances. We cannot afford to take a step backwards and have an 8 or even 9 win season this year and that is precisely why there is so much pressure on Mario this season. He knows he has to win at least 10 games this year and at least make the ACCCG and make the 12 team playoff.

In terms of recruiting, there are certain positions where we must have elite talent. Since we need certain players before we can prove ourselves on the field in terms of being a consistent winner, we need to be willing to overspend for a couple of cycles until we do achieve those results on the field. However I don't think that this is the plan unfortunately. I may get surprised down the stretch with Lamar Brown, Tristen Keys etc......so we'll see . This season is going to be fascinating to watch play out!
 
Squid Bumciorek said:
Would you say Michigan could compete with Ohio State in the trenches ? I would say generally yes. But according to 247 since 2021 they didn’t recruit any 5 star players on DL . Highest ranked DL was an DE rated 95 (so mid-high 4 star). The biggest highest rated DT was a 92 (low 4 star). They don’t necessarily need once in a generation 5 star DTs to be competitive for a national title because they have exceptional player development. I think we can recruit DL at least as well as Michigan does but I have no confidence we can develop them. The reason Cristobal needs 5 star talent is that those players are already elite.

Where is Cristobal’s Greg Rosseau? His closest equivalent is Bain, but Bain took a huge step backwards last year. He was a nonfactor. We are all are hoping his regression was due to not being in playing shape after his injury, but there is also the possibility that other teams simply figured out how to neutralize him and he hasn’t improved since his first season.
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This is fair, but UM;s x HC was known for finding talent as well especially in the trenches. It was like his skill, he did it with Stanford in the league and at Michigan. Not every HC has that gift, seems like ours doesn't have that gift tbh.
 
TwentySix said:
I’d be interested to see that post, truly, not sarcastically. A quick glance over Cristobal’s classes at Oregon show the below draft picks (2021 still has some players in college)

2 firsts
5 seconds
1 third
3 fourths
2 fifths
3 sixths
2 sevenths

Maybe I’m misremembering but I have a hard time thinking that isn’t outpacing what we did in those cycles pretty easily.
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How would u like me to break it down:
Total draft picks while at Oregon regardless if he recruited or not?
Recruits by Mario that were drafted regardless who was the coach?
All of The Above?
 
Rellyrell said:
How would u like me to break it down:
Total draft picks while at Oregon regardless if he recruited or not?
Recruits by Mario that were drafted regardless who was the coach?
All of The Above?
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If we’re strictly talking recruiting, the second one. For example, Shough obviously bounced around but if we’re just talking recruiting and evaluating, that has to be a win imo
 
Page305 said:
So would this be considered elite recruiting to you guys? Is this falling in line of what you expected? Better than you expected? Disappointed? I'm legit asking.
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Not elite imo, that is the uga, Bama, Texas, osu *******
Below what I expected when I was told he was an elite recruiter.
Disappointed at the lack of balance
Disappointed at the lack of star power
Encouraged by the improvement on the offensive line.
 
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TwentySix said:
If we’re strictly talking recruiting, the second one. For example, Shough obviously bounced around but if we’re just talking recruiting and evaluating, that has to be a win imo
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Nah, we can’t give credit when a kid fails under his tutelage, but goes elsewhere & thrives. That’s like me giving Herm Edwards credit for Jayden Daniels when Daniels was considered a bust b4 transferring.

Since the nature of this conversation is “stacking classes”, I’ll do us all a favor & break this down into 2 categories:
-Total draft picks while at Oregon that he coached (including portal players)
-His recruits that played for & was drafted out of UO under both himself & Lanning

****, just to sweeten the pot for the 2nd category, I’ll even include players from Taggart’s regime since Mario was on staff; however, he gets zero credit for a recruit going elsewhere & being drafted from another school b/c it didn’t help him or UO.

Mario (2018 - 2021)
Category 1 [Total Draft Picks]: 23
-3 (1st Rd)
-3 (2nd Rd)
-1 (3rd Rd)
-3 (4th Rd)
-5 (5th Rd)
-5 (6th Rd)
-3 (7th Rd)

Category 2 [Total Recruits drafted: including 2017]: 14
-2 (1st Rd)
-3 (2nd Rd)
-1 (3rd Rd)
-1 (4th Rd)
-3 (5th Rd)
-3 (6th Rd)
-1 (7th Rd)

Lanning (2022-present)
Category 1 [Total Draft Picks]: 24
-4 (1st Rd)
-2 (2nd Rd)
-4 (3rd Rd)
-5 (4th Rd)
-3 (5th Rd)
-3 (6th Rd)
-3 (7th Rd)

Category 2 [Total Recruits drafted]: 15
-4 (1st Rd)
-3 (3rd Rd)
-4 (4th Rd)
-1 (5th Rd)
-1 (6th Rd)
-2 (7th Rd)

Lanning in 3 full seasons has out produced Mario in 4 full seasons, & this includes me giving Mario credit for Taggart’s recruits.
 
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Rellyrell said:
Nah, we can’t give credit when a kid fails under his tutelage, but goes elsewhere & thrives. That’s like me giving Herm Edwards credit for Jayden Daniels when Daniels was considered a bust prior b4 transferring.
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We just philosophically disagree when it comes to what constitutes recruiting wins. I’m not talking about development.
 
cway313 said:
Not elite imo, that is the uga, Bama, Texas, osu *******
Below what I expected when I was told he was an elite recruiter.
Disappointed at the lack of balance
Disappointed at the lack of star power
Encouraged by the improvement on the offensive line.
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I feel the exact same. Mario was being touted as an elite recruiter and I knew he wouldn't come here and things will change overnight BUT I definitely thought our recruiting would be way more balanced. I knew recruiting wise some areas(OL) would be stronger than others but I didn't expect the weaker areas(DT, S, CB(befor this offseason) to be THIS weak.
 
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Page305 said:
I feel the exact same. Mario was being touted as an elite recruiter and I knew he wouldn't come here and things will change overnight BUT I definitely thought our recruiting would be way more balanced. I knew recruiting wise some areas(OL) would be stronger than other but I didn't expect the weaker areas(DT, S, CB(befor this offseason) to be THIS weak.
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I think we are the minority.
 
TwentySix said:
We just philosophically disagree when it comes to what constitutes recruiting wins. I’m not talking about development.
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What good is a “recruiting win”, champ, if that win benefits another coach or institution? That’s like me getting a girl’s number, but u fcking her after I get the digits. On what planet do I call myself “Himothy” just b/c I got the #, but u got the yams? Lmao.
 
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I’m try to stay neutral and still do a wait in see mode overall on Mario because at this point our record shows we are getting better and the talent is clearly light years better. Plus if you truly are a fan who grew up through the 80’s until now we are desperate for this to finally turn around.

But you’d be blind to say you don’t have concerns: honestly that is any coach. I mean even UGA…all the talent in the world but is Smart killing their chances by not seeing Bobo isn’t it…can Bobo prove he is learning and changing

The only thing I will say is Miami is unlike any other job with regards to keeping talent “home.” Not only do you have 2 other big school in your state coming for some of the best talent in the country on top of all of the best in the country. But you have guys like that fat OSU slob just outright talking crap, media rarely writing positive things or even writing something in general, a corny old hip hop “fan” who has the ear of many of the kids who every so often looks for clicks. Now I think all those areas have gotten better as well.

The process has been slower than we all would have liked but it seems to be moving forward every year. Let’s AT WORST get to double digit wins this year and an acc champ appearance. Improve on defense immensely, get 2…maybe even 3 guys taken in the first 35-40 picks and then the trend continues. All the work with the youth leagues should start to take root now too …some winning, local guys doing well, and the legit NIL.
 
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HurricanePhilly said:
I’m try to stay neutral and still do a wait in see mode overall on Mario because at this point our record shows we are getting better and the talent is clearly light years better. Plus if you truly are a fan who grew up through the 80’s until now we are desperate for this to finally turn around.

But you’d be blind to say you don’t have concerns: honestly that is any coach. I mean even UGA…all the talent in the world but is Smart killing their chances by not seeing Bobo isn’t it…can Bobo prove he is learning and changing

The only thing I will say is Miami is unlike any other job with regards to keeping talent “home.” Not only do you have 2 other big school in your state coming for some of the best talent in the country on top of all of the best in the country. But you have guys like that fat OSU slob just outright talking crap, media rarely writing positive things or even writing something in general, a corny old hip hop “fan” who has the ear of many of the kids who every so often looks for clicks. Now I think all those areas have gotten better as well.

The process has been slower than we all would have liked but it seems to be moving forward every year. Let’s AT WORST get to double digit wins this year and an acc champ appearance. Improve on defense immensely, get 2…maybe even 3 guys taken in the first 35-40 picks and then the trend continues. All the work with the youth leagues should start to take root now too …some winning, local guys doing well, and the legit NIL.
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Anyone who has spent time on another teams message board realizes this isn’t a Miami thing. Every single fanbase is *****ing about some coach on their staff not recruiting his position group well enough. Or how they need to hit the portal hard for “x position” because of how bad it is and it’s their glaring hole.

**** OSU this year has a huge DT problem. It’s all they talk about.
 
Rellyrell said:
Nah, we can’t give credit when a kid fails under his tutelage, but goes elsewhere & thrives. That’s like me giving Herm Edwards credit for Jayden Daniels when Daniels was considered a bust b4 transferring.

Since the nature of this conversation is “stacking classes”, I’ll do us all a favor & break this down into 2 categories:
-Total draft picks while at Oregon that he coached (including portal players)
-His recruits that played for & was drafted out of UO under both himself & Lanning

****, just to sweeten the pot for the 2nd category, I’ll even include players from Taggart’s regime since Mario was on staff; however, he gets zero credit for a recruit going elsewhere & being drafted from another school b/c it didn’t help him or UO.

Mario (2018 - 2021)
Category 1 [Total Draft Picks]: 23
-3 (1st Rd)
-3 (2nd Rd)
-1 (3rd Rd)
-3 (4th Rd)
-5 (5th Rd)
-5 (6th Rd)
-3 (7th Rd)

Category 2 [Total Recruits drafted: including 2017]: 14
-2 (1st Rd)
-3 (2nd Rd)
-1 (3rd Rd)
-1 (4th Rd)
-3 (5th Rd)
-3 (6th Rd)
-1 (7th Rd)

Lanning (2022-present)
Category 1 [Total Draft Picks]: 24
-4 (1st Rd)
-2 (2nd Rd)
-4 (3rd Rd)
-5 (4th Rd)
-3 (5th Rd)
-3 (6th Rd)
-3 (7th Rd)

Category 2 [Total Recruits drafted]: 15
-4 (1st Rd)
-3 (3rd Rd)
-4 (4th Rd)
-1 (5th Rd)
-1 (6th Rd)
-2 (7th Rd)

Lanning in 3 full seasons has out produced Mario in 4 full seasons, & this includes me giving Mario credit for Taggart’s recruits.
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Much appreciated.

I'm just randomly sticking my nose in this, but it seems like Helfrich tore it down, then Taggart/Cristobal era brought it to that double digit plateau (like were seeing here) based on talent acquisition and coaching hires, and then Lanning amplified it.

Yeah there's other variable at play, they have a monster bag game (I'm sure our is comparable, maybe a tad lower), their in the Big Ten now (which personally I think is the biggest factor in this). But Lanning has done well and kept the train running and grew it.

Miami has other benefits in the recruiting game Oregon doesn't, beach, babes and ballers everywhere. If you're on the Miami squad that brings home the hardware you become a celebrity, heck look at Cam, we didn't' go to CFB playoffs and he's still broke the seams and was arguably the most popular CFB last year.

I think he's a good/great coach, he just needed time. I have zero insider information, but I personally think Richt tried to bring a sort of blue blood infrastructure to the program, but the guy was exhausted and had no real help to build that up, and then his health happened. Diaz tried to just keep it going but had no clue what he was doing, he was charismatic, but tried to hard to be cool and smart (he was in over his head big time) and the infrastructure was brutal now. Here come Mario and literally wiped the slate clean with Radnovich and basically building the program from inside out, just like his roster.
Again, personally, no insider information, I think we've been a program for long term success of our floor being a 9 win program for our bad years, because of hard working culture, talent acquisition and general football focused programs for the athletes to grow, the type of players and employees that are brought into the program that are all about football and want to win and love football and are about football.
I say this because of on-field dynamics. When the team is down they still fight they still wanna be on the field, they still think they can win. We're not far off of when if the team was down by 14 or 17 pts, they've fold and get boat races by 40 pts, (like we saw in his first year) that was the culture we were seeing and tired of.
 
Rellyrell said:
What good is a “recruiting win”, champ, if that win benefits another coach or institution? That’s like me getting a girl’s number, but u fcking her after I get the digits. On what planet do I call myself “Himothy” just b/c I got the #, but u got the yams? Lmao.
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if you’re going to use the nfl draft to evaluate someone’s recruiting classes as it relates to evaluations and bringing in talent, not giving them credit for guys that were in those classes because they transferred for whatever reason is insane, and just trying to fit a narrative. Trey Benson didn’t become more talented because Mario took a different job and he transferred.

Champ.
 
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