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WeBallinBoyz said:
Great point and I didn’t explain it clearly enough. I guess what I’m saying is I have sort of changed my tune on what stacking classes really means. I no longer look at recruiting rankings as the sole metric for what warrants a strong program. Manny, Richt, Golden, Shannon had some shiny names at certain positions, but not the star rating Mario’s has averaged. That is very true and a positive trajectory for us. Not arguable. Are we better off than our predecessors? Absolutely. Now whether you want to argue it’s because we actually started investing in the program when Mario demanded it, NIL became a weapon at our disposal etc, well I’ll leave that up to you guys. It’s a mix of both arguments.

Depth, consistency, and lack of holes year over year are the biggest things to me now. When I look at UGA, TAMU, Alabama, LSU, ND, Texas, Ohio State, Oregon, etc - aka the big dogs that by rankings, we do compete with - the one thing a lot of these classes have (besides hitting on more evaluations SO FAR imo), is that they have balance. The talent is not skewed towards one or two positions. So far, we’ve tended to have elite elite OL recruits (who would ever say no to that) and one class loaded at DL, then meh the next etc. A lot of these programs bring in at least one elite talent at each position year over year. They don’t struggle with DL recruiting one class, then CB and WR the next, then Safety etc.

ND, Texas has as impressive of a two deep in the trenches on both sides of the ball as anyone in the country. Bama has virtually no weaknesses entering this season (while maybe not the elite talent as the top 3-4 teams, they’re a “sleeper” if that’s even possible to imagine). Oregon, Ohio State and UGA reload and just signed monster balanced classes, etc.

Now I understand the spin was that we spent a lot of money retaining players on the current roster that were flirting with other programs (that in itself is a double-edged sword, the players are coveted, but they clearly aren’t bending over backwards to stay at Miami for whatever reason….). Which now means, the evals better be on point.

We’re going to find out A LOT about Mario Cristobal and Miami in terms of program building this very season, and while some may misconstrue and twist my words into a negative spin, I am very excited to see what unfolds. I could see us going 11-1, and I could see us going 7-5 if disaster strikes.

I realize I went on a bit of a tangent here, but SparkNotes version - recruiting rankings aren’t enough. It’s talent and abundance that is the key, and I don’t think anyone has challenged Mario regarding this topic. That coupled with the evaluations (which again, have not lived up to expectations amongst his recruiting classes to date, but this year is a massive swing year).
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We were already told multi times the reason we don’t stack talent
It’s bc our current guys scare off future recruits
That is the lamest weak sauce excuse in my book
But it was even said by dmoney
 
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CANESCANES said:
Buuut CIS says he’s an “Elite recruiter”
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No_Fly_Zone said:
We did beat a 7-6 TAMU in 2023. Then we went 5-6 for the remainder of that season, including the most inexcusably stupid loss in UM history, 3 losses in November, and a loss to Rutgers in the tough-n-physical bowl.

Whatever "positive momentum" or "good will" may have been generated by beating TAMU (and Clemson) in 2023, it evaporated when we ended the season "the Miami Way" (i.e., with multiple conference losses in November and an L in a mid bowl game).

So would winning help high-end recruitng at UM? I don't know. And I don't understand how anyone can speak so confidently on the subject when we haven't won **** in ~20 years.
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Win and they will
Come is an excuse used by fan bases
We’ve had 20
Years of pain so don’t blame fellow canes for falling for these excuses to help
Us deal with the misery of watching failure after failure
 
BigDikDaddyFromCincinnati said:
I think you're describing a chicken and the egg situation as to which came first. You can't have one without the other (Recruiting and winning/draft picks). I agree whole heartedly abou the hand wringing part. That is pointless.
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I disagree on the chicken and egg part. Which is why I brought up ND and Michigan. Who on average we have out recruited or atleast assemble similar rosters to them. And they have gotten their roster to beat more talented teams based on recruiting. I think we are in the range of teams who can win it all. Hope and vision can get your top 10 class, results are what gonna push us over the top. And no we cannot compare ourselves to A&M. They are in a much better conference and have had more recent success even going back to Manziel period under Sumlin. Also people say we have similar NIL but these Texas man have different kind of money.
 
jsy said:
Win and they will
Come is an excuse used by fan bases
We’ve had 20
Years of pain so don’t blame fellow canes for falling for these excuses to help
Us deal with the misery of watching failure after failure
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I think win and they will come is not an excuse for every team, it is for teams who have been losing for 20 years. The only recent comparison I have is Clemson. At some time you have to put points on the scoreboard and start building a rep. UF is in the same conference as Texas A&M and Texas etc and they have money, why are we outrecruiting them(UF).....bar last season. Look at Tennessee and Ole Miss, we consistently bring in better classes. You can beat them without significant winning. It's a different challenge overtaking Texas, Bama, UGA and Ohio. They can offer everything we can, plus better conference, plus winning. We can balance the conference issue by beating them or be fighting them on the field late in the season. So imo winning is the next challenge, winning big, which will also mean more high draft picks to sell as well
 
supacane said:
I said it before but all this hand wringing over recruiting is pointless. The thing thats hilding us back is winning and producing draft picks. Cristobal last 3 full classes at Oregon, was #7,#13 and #6. He also had a good one going when he came here. Lanning went there off the back off that, plus nike NIL, Big Ten and also doing well on the field and took it to another level.

Thats the combination we need. The players we need are not shunning us for Tennessee or Ole Miss type. We are losing key recruits to UGA, Texas, Bama and Ohio. That's now the holy grail of recruiting.

We have to match their results on the field. Be playing in the post season against them.

This is down to coaching. We have consistently out recruited Michigan and ND. They were in the last 2 national title games, winning 1. So you can win big, especially in the ACC. Our problem including recruiting, has come from terrible hires especially on defense. That is where Cristobal needs to be highly criticized.

For me Cristobal tenure comes down to if Heatherman is the guy at DC. We have the players to win the ACC and make the playoffs. Its very simple now. NIL is fine but kids will get NIL at Ohio, UGA, Texas or Bama. They wanna go pro as well.
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Lanning is a way better recruiter than Mario. Sh if Miami knew that or anyone they would have hired him instead tbh. Who knew he was a next level recruiter?
 
jsy said:
Win and they will
Come is an excuse used by fan bases
We’ve had 20
Years of pain so don’t blame fellow canes for falling for these excuses to help
Us deal with the misery of watching failure after failure
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Yea win and they will come is a cope by the individual fan that thinks that can turn it around. It’s basically bait by media as well to keep the fans invested in hope. Just get the elites no excuses and that will turn it around, not the other way around. By their flawed logic that means Akron can have a good season and all the elites would go there lol. It’s a stupid saying
 
supacane said:
I disagree on the chicken and egg part. Which is why I brought up ND and Michigan. Who on average we have out recruited or atleast assemble similar rosters to them. And they have gotten their roster to beat more talented teams based on recruiting. I think we are in the range of teams who can win it all. Hope and vision can get your top 10 class, results are what gonna push us over the top. And no we cannot compare ourselves to A&M. They are in a much better conference and have had more recent success even going back to Manziel period under Sumlin. Also people say we have similar NIL but these Texas man have different kind of money.
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Does the data back up your claims about ND and Michigan?
 
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canecrazy23 said:
Texas A&M says hi. Have you seen their record the last 5 years including bowl games.

Kids seem to not care considering they're doing pretty good in recruiting and are most likely going to have another average year.
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They’ve also got ridiculous facilities, 100k at every home game and the SEC brand behind them.
 
Dwinstitles said:
I told you I value elite recruiting, if you cant do that in my eyes I will get mad. Last class and this class regardless of rank seem underwhelming. We need to take the next step and I am waiting and its not happening
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No arguments here

We will see if we did the job and followed a bad recruiting finish with a great winter portal. On paper looks good but we know how that goes
 
Angry Ibis said:
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Naw I don't get upset. I just get tired of the negative sh@t on here. Your not n the loop you don't know sh@t. Your not speaking factual sh@t. Just your opinion which don't mean sh@t. But its a free board. So speak but when you do speak. Speak like you got some knowledge. Not just throwing out stupid opinionated
Dwinstitles said:
I told you I value elite recruiting, if you cant do that in my eyes I will get mad. Last class and this class regardless of rank seem underwhelming. We need to take the next step and I am waiting and its not happening
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So your mad at recruiting lol 🤣 🤣 🤣 who TF are you? Have you contributed to the collective? Lol probably not 😅
 
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So I just want to be clear so we can put everyone on the level playing field.

Uga, OSU, bama, Oregon, and Texas should not lose a game unless it’s to one another correct?

The best NIL’s, the facilities the fanbases etc. they have if all. As well as winning track record the last handful of years So they shouldn’t lose any games or ifs a failure. Not looking for an argument. Just want to see if the goal posts for other teams are different.
 
Dwinstitles said:
Yea win and they will come is a cope by the individual fan that thinks that can turn it around. It’s basically bait by media as well to keep the fans invested in hope. Just get the elites no excuses and that will turn it around, not the other way around. By their flawed logic that means Akron can have a good season and all the elites would go there lol. It’s a stupid saying
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Exactly there’s a reason why teams like Boise can’t recruit no matter how much they win
 
Dwinstitles said:
Lanning is a way better recruiter than Mario. Sh if Miami knew that or anyone they would have hired him instead tbh. Who knew he was a next level recruiter?
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Lanning is a way better recruiter based on what?

In 2023 we had a better class. (7th vs 9th)

In 2024 they finished 3rd and we finished 4th.

In 2025 they had a much better class so i'll give him that but they also had a special season. (5th vs 14th)

This year we have a better ranked class at the moment and Lanning got his s.hit pushed in for Cantwell.

He's recruiting at a slightly better rate since taking over Mario.

They also moved to the Big 10 and we're still stuck in a s.hitty conference and haven't won **** in decades.

That to me tells me Mario is a better recruiter. Lanning is a way better coach though
 
supacane said:
I disagree on the chicken and egg part. Which is why I brought up ND and Michigan. Who on average we have out recruited or atleast assemble similar rosters to them. And they have gotten their roster to beat more talented teams based on recruiting. I think we are in the range of teams who can win it all. Hope and vision can get your top 10 class, results are what gonna push us over the top. And no we cannot compare ourselves to A&M. They are in a much better conference and have had more recent success even going back to Manziel period under Sumlin. Also people say we have similar NIL but these Texas man have different kind of money.
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What’s the more recent success that they’ve had? They’re nothing but the beneficiaries of being in the SEC.

They had a single double digit win season in the past two decades. Unless the argument is one 11 win season > two 10 wins seasons than they have not had more success.

I do agree with your other points though.
 
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