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Hurracanes said:
That 2023 class was inflated by a large amount of kids we took, too.
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I thought the rankings did away with that? So basically like what happened in 08 could not happen again where just because you sign more kids it doesnt increase your overall rank.

I just did a quick test on the recruiting calculator and I do think it is correct. By way of example if we added Lamar Brown then Derrek Cooper, Cooper would only add 27 points to the class score. However you drop Brown and only add Cooper and he is upwards of 30 points to the class score. If you added Tristen Keys to Lamar cooper drops even lower to 26 so it is a weighted average. I agree looking at average rank is typically a better indicator of quality but there is some balancing that goes into it now.
 
It’s crazy that a lot of you act surprised that we haven’t been able to consistently finishing in the top 5 of the recruiting rankings. Just take a lot at our NFL development and on field results the last 15 years lol. If we want to take our recruiting to the next level, we have to win and develop quality nfl talent. 25 is the most talented roster we’ve had in a very long time, so there are no excuses
 
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Rellyrell said:
I didn’t say he did, & that wasn’t the point or the nature of the discussion; however, since u wanna wear a cape for no good reason, let’s examine who Mario left Lanning w/:

QB? Nope, he had to go to the portal

RB? Nope, he had to go to the portal

WR? Well, he did leave him w Troy Franklin, Kris Hudson, & Donte Thornton, but 2 of those 3 bounced after yr 1 w Lanning…maybe it’s b/c transfer Chase Cota came in & bodied them for the #2 spot.

TE? Yes, Mario left Lanning w Ferguson & Baby Herbert to work w

DE? Nope; Had to go to the portal for that

DT? **** no. Lol. He had to go to the portal for that

LB? Yes, Mario left him w Sewell, our favorite pipe dream LB
Flowe, & Bassa

DB? Yes, but only one player stood out, Christian Gonzales who came from The Portal

OL? Yes

Now, go and compare the cupboard Mario had to work w from Manny. U know what, I’m in a good mood for education:

Players that Lanning inherited from Mario that were drafted: 10
-Jackson-Powers (2nd Rd)
-Terrence Ferguson (2nd Rd)
-DJ Johnson (3rd Rd)
-Troy Franklin (4th Rd)
-Brandon Dorlus (4th Rd)
-Jeffrey Bassa (5th Rd)
-Noah Sewell (5th Rd)
-Malaesala Aumavae-Laulu (6th Rd)
-Jamal Hill (6th Rd)
-Alex Forsyth (7th)

Players that Mario inherited from Helfrich/Taggart that were drafted: 13
-Justin Herbert (1st Rd)
-Troy Dye (4th Rd)
-Ugo Amadi (4th Rd)
-Shane Lemieux (5th Rd)
-Justin Hollins (5th Rd)
-Deommadore Lenoire (5th Rd)
-Brady Breeze (6th Rd)
-Thomas Graham (6th Rd)
-Jake Hanson (6th Rd)
-Malaesala Aumavae-Laulu (6th Rd)
-Dillon Mitchell (7th Rd)
-Jalen Jelks (7th Rd)
-Alex Forsyth (7th Rd)

Players that Mario inherited from Diaz that were drafted: 8
-Elijah Arroyo (2nd Rd)
-Tyrique Stevenson (2nd Rd)
-Kam Kinchens (3rd Rd)
-Will Mallory (5th Rd)
-Jalen Rivers (5th Rd)
-Andres Borreagles (6th Rd)
-James Williams (7th Rd)
-DJ Ivey (7th Rd)

So by ur criteria, it appears Mario had a cupboard to work w both at Oregon & now Miami.
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I mean 8 total players 3 of which got drafted on potential and one was a kicker.

You could argue it’s on Mario that guys like Mallory, Williams, and Ivey didn’t do more here but Mallory was inconsistent and hasn’t done anything in the league. Williams played out of position. Ivey jeez claiming he was a part of any stocked cupboard would get you flamed.

Rivers, Kinchens, Arroyo, and Stevenson were all really good players but 4-5 (Williams) real difference makers over two seasons is a bare *** cupboard
 
Kn[]_[]ckles3o5 said:
I mean 8 total players 3 of which got drafted on potential and one was a kicker.

You could argue it’s on Mario that guys like Mallory, Williams, and Ivey didn’t do more here but Mallory was inconsistent and hasn’t done anything in the league. Williams played out of position. Ivey jeez claiming he was a part of any stocked cupboard would get you flamed.

Rivers, Kinchens, Arroyo, and Stevenson were all really good players but 4-5 (Williams) real difference makers over two seasons is a bare *** cupboard
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That cupboard went 7-5 the year prior to, w 3 of those 5 defeats coming at 3 points or less. This cupboard also doesn’t include Xavier Restrepo or Leonard Taylor.

Also, didn’t this board this past season say if we had Kinchens & Williams we’re a CFP team?

Anyways, it’s all moot b/c remember from 2022-2024 it’s been all Manny player’s fault, so we’ll see how our season go w/o any more excuses left.
 
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Rellyrell said:
That cupboard went 7-5 the year prior to, w 3 of those 5 defeats coming at 3 points or less. This cupboard also doesn’t include Xavier Restrepo or Leonard Taylor.

Also, wasn’t this board this past season saying if we had Kinchens & Williams we’re a CFP team?

Anyways, it’s all moot b/c remember from 2022-2024 it’s been all Manny player’s fault, so we’ll see how our season go w/o any more excuses left.
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You know the next excuse, we’vE beEn Bad 4 sO lOnG.

Never mind that a school like Washington since 2004 has season wins total of 0 (yes 0-12 in 2008), 1, 2 and 4 (2x) and been the CFP twice in that same time frame.
 
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