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TOC who will be a part of the people that will investigate the NIL deals.Has that been set yet.Will they be members off the colleges ( AD’s ,Chancellor’s etc) or will they be past players,coaches,etc.


No idea of "who" will fill the role, but I don't think they will "investigate" NIL deals. I believe they have to give approval. The difference is (I believe) that NIL deals will need to be approved in advance, rather than an "enforcement" division chasing down contracts and parties to the contract well after the fact.

That also means that any UNAPPROVED deals will be considered to be violations of the rules.
 
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And that’s where the NIl oversight is gonna fail. What is the established market for a 3rd party to say what is or what isn’t acceptable? If I’m a collective or business I simply point to past deals to say this what it cost for a player then and this is what it costs now. Who is some 3rd party to say what is legit and what isn’t?


You don't need an established market, per se. The NCAA hired an accounting firm to do valuation work. Whether this continues to be the standard going forward is hard to say. I'd imagine they START with a valuation firm, and then as a database of deals is built, you would have more of an "established market" to use as a comparative.

This is going to be fun...
 
You don't need an established market, per se. The NCAA hired an accounting firm to do valuation work. Whether this continues to be the standard going forward is hard to say. I'd imagine they START with a valuation firm, and then as a database of deals is built, you would have more of an "established market" to use as a comparative.

This is going to be fun...
Well considering they’re talking deals falling outside of that market value could be treated as a violation is kind of backwards no? Kind of like saying you can go to jail for violating a law, but the elements of that law are never established.

I think they know they can’t come out and create a salary structure similar to NFL first contracts because of a lack of collective bargaining where a players association had a say in it. They’re gonna have to try to control contracts between a player who has had no say in any of this and a third party private business entity that’s gonna argue it’s a private business deal between them and someone who they are paying for their image for marketing purposes.

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This is where I would think Miami is actually set up pretty well. The argument could be made that cost of living requires these contracts to be substantively higher than most other “college towns” in the US. Simple things like showing the coral gables housing market vs Tuscaloosa or Athens. Show a breakdown of salaries for professions in these cities. Our NIL deals cost more because it’s a ton more expensive in SoFla than the rest of the country. Show marketing costs nationwide. Guaranteed SoFla is at the high end.
 
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You don't need an established market, per se. The NCAA hired an accounting firm to do valuation work. Whether this continues to be the standard going forward is hard to say. I'd imagine they START with a valuation firm, and then as a database of deals is built, you would have more of an "established market" to use as a comparative.

This is going to be fun...
It sounds an awful lot like nonprofit executive compensation. It has to be reasonable to peers. So if every head coach of schools in conferences are making 7-12m, it’s “reasonable”. Same with looking at the salaries of school presidents.
 
“Former MLB executive Bryan Seeley was named CEO of a new enforcement organization called the College Sports Comission”

This is the guy that’s going to lead the team that enforces NIL, roster limits, revenue sharing rules, and third party payments to players for NIL.
 
Well considering they’re talking deals falling outside of that market value could be treated as a violation is kind of backwards no? Kind of like saying you can go to jail for violating a law, but the elements of that law are never established.


I'm just going to address this first point.

WITHOUT CAPPING how much can be earned in NIL, you still can create a system that attempts to prevent abuse. Thus, if SOMEONE (let's say a guy who looks like Gene Simmons from KISS and who might be a Florida alum and who formerly owned an auto company) wants to pay a kid $14M, you can examine whether that $14M is a legitimate expense, or if it is really a disguise for something else.

Put another way, if you were selling your used car for $5,000, and your grandfather purchased that car for $5M, the IRS would probably say "yeah, that's just a disguised gift, you still need to file a gift tax return for the other $4,995,000 of the transfer".

Again, the issue is not to say that a kid couldn't EARN $14M. But unless that recruit is Livvy Dunne, or he spends 28 hours a day doing NIL-related activities, the payment of $14M is far beyond the market valuation, and it is quite obviously intended to pay one player far more than the player is entitled under the parameters of the House settlement.

So if you want to put it another way, it will soon be legal for schools to VALIDLY pay student-athletes for legitimate ways in which the student-athletes provide value by way of playing a sport. TV rights, merchandise royalties, video-game fees, etc., all of the things that arise from the athletic endeavor can now be compensated by the universities. HOWEVER, you can't overwhelm that by giving a guy $14M for 4 autograph signings on top of the House-settlement.

There is a difference between "capping income" and determining fair (and NOT SHAM) payments for the services rendered. If Carson Beck ends up doing 20 different NIL deals that pay him $10M total, that's legit, assuming they are all close to "market value". But someone can't pay Carson Beck $10M for a sham NIL deal that requires him to do next to nothing, and is a clear disguise for trying to pay-for-play.

I realize that some will challenge this analysis. They will try to come up with (what they think are) brilliant loopholes. But the reality is that corporate business practices and IRS examinations frequently question the substance of certain types of payments. You probably can't pay your babysitter $1M and then try to deduct it as "childcare expenses", without generating a serious examination of one's finances and tax returns.
 
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The settlement, the payout to athletes current and former, isn't the problem.

The entire new structure of enforcement and $600 limits on NIL and "fair market value" will get blown to pieces in court.

Without Congress, all the schools and ncaa enforcement committees and all the other free market infringing crap in this settlement are dead in the water.
 
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People thinking this will last as is are missing the point...market value is whatever someone is willing to pay lol
There will be lawsuits galore over rejected NIL deals and...the athlete will win.
Lol..just wait til an NIL of equal "value" is approved for say Texas or UGA but one with Miami is rejected. It's coming lol..
 
People thinking this will last as is are missing the point...market value is whatever someone is willing to pay lol
There will be lawsuits galore over rejected NIL deals and...the athlete will win.
Lol..just wait til an NIL of equal "value" is approved for say Texas or UGA but one with Miami is rejected. It's coming lol..
Further, i would say even if they go to a pro model with a CBA, NIL would be outside of that CBA. I would argue that NIL is not a negotiable topic because it involves an independent third party, not directly covered under a CBA.
 
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Next recruit to commit?

Cooper? Brown? Maybe you?
Kolojay if it's really us or UGA after his OV there this weekend. I'd think a safety would come on board soon, too, with our top four targets having visited by end of this weekend.
 
The settlement, the payout to athletes current and former, isn't the problem.

The entire new structure of enforcement and $600 limits on NIL and "fair market value" will get blown to pieces in court.

Without Congress, all the schools and ncaa enforcement committees and all the other free market infringing crap in this settlement are dead in the water.
They are absolutely dead in the water because Congress has already stated they have no desire to grant the NCAA antitrust exemption. So the whole Congress thing is dead, this settlement will get blown out in court, and eventually a collective bargaining will happen and at that point in time, you will have a deal that both parties agreed to and Will be the lay of the land. Until then, it’s just more BS.
 
I'll enjoy professional collegiate sports for as long as I can.
They are absolutely dead in the water because Congress has already stated they have no desire to grant the NCAA antitrust exemption. So the whole Congress thing is dead, this settlement will get blown out in court, and eventually a collective bargaining will happen and at that point in time, you will have a deal that both parties agreed to and Will be the lay of the land. Until then, it’s just more BS.

They can bicker about money and whatnot until their collective hearts are content. The real issue I have with college sports is that they are now professional sports and do not act accordingly. The subjective rankings, predetermined amounts of playoff teams, etc. needs to be eradicated. A clear and transparent road to the playoffs needs to be defined, so teams and fans know exactly how things will work out for them.
 
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